Jays interested in Steve Pearce

[saskjayfan]

Surely they could eat 75%+ of his contract in a trade somewhere when a team suffers an injury?

 

They signed him 2.5 months ago. I highly doubt they are going to eat any part of his contract if he's traded

[jays_fever]

They may want to legitimately give Smoak a full time role next year. He's never been able to really put it together, but he does have some nice tools. I don't think it's impossible to see him put up 2 WAR in a full season where he's not being jerked all over the place with playing time. It may not be ideal, but if rolling Smoak out there gives us the money to put a stud in another position, so be it. Worst case, if he really bombs, bring up Tellez.

 

If we really wanted to roll the dice, we could probably talk to one of the Texas teams about some of their guys. A guy like Profar as a super utility would be rather interesting, or one of the 1st basemen in Gallo or Singleton could be worth a shot.

 

He's had 3 500 AB seasons with the M's and a couple of 300+ Ab's with us. He's sucked for 5 seasons now. He has a combined war of 0.3 in 824 games..

 

Just send him down a black hole already

[jays_fever]

Pearce on the other hands rocks and fills gap in the outfield/1B and emergency 2B

[glory]

It would be liveable, but ultimately we will still be a 82-84 win team unless we can find the elite bullpen pieces that all the good teams seem to have.

 

Post-2016 was always going to be a bit of a transition. They are losing two of their cornerstone players. Putting the team in a position to be in the 80-85 win range gives them a real chance at a WC spot if they get some breaks, and in the mean time they can build up the farm system to hopefully churn out some talent in the next few years. Shapiro came into a very unique situation but he's handling it really well, in my view.

[saskjayfan]

Oakland A's.

 

If the question is "who is going to value this piece of crap player", the answer is almost always the Oakland A's.

 

Our general manager values him at the money he signed for. He just signed. It's not like he's in year 5 of a 7 year deal and has fallen off a cliff. He's had something like 100 or less at bats since he signed. Nothing should have changed in the way our gm values him now compared to 2 months ago

[burlingtonbandit]

I wonder how long it would take for Shatkins to accept if someone offered to take Smoak's contract on with nothing coming back the other way.

 

They probably call the commissioner's office while still on the phone with the other team. I think they'd eat half the contract just to move him. Unlike other clubs this FO isn't concerned with the public's image of them getting rid of a player they just signed if it makes the team better.

[Laika]

He's had 3 500 AB seasons with the M's and a couple of 300+ Ab's with us. He's sucked for 5 seasons now. He has a combined war of 0.3 in 824 games..

 

Just send him down a black hole already

 

Smoak intrigued last year with that .243 ISO. 18 homers in just 330 PA. At 28 years old it was fair to add everything up and make a small bet that he could be a power platoon player going forward with some gravy 1B defensive replacement value.

 

The bottom fell out this year though. He never looked good at baseball. Sunk.

[Laika]

To sign a free agent this early it typically takes something extra on the expected contract. An extra year, a bit more money, a guaranteed starting job...

 

MLBTR predicted 2/$10 for Pearce.

 

Would you give Steve Pearce 3/$15?

 

Would you give him, say, 2/$13?

 

Keith Law said he would only give Pearce "one or two million." lol

[saskjayfan]

Smoak intrigued last year with that .243 ISO. 18 homers in just 330 PA. At 28 years old it was fair to add everything up and make a small bet that he could be a power platoon player going forward with some gravy 1B defensive replacement value.

 

The bottom fell out this year though. He never looked good at baseball. Sunk.

 

So why did our gm sign him to an extension?

[glory]

 

Keith Law said he would only give Pearce "one or two million." lol

 

That's an endorsement to sign Pearce if I ever saw one.

 

If Law says he sucks, then sign him yesterday.

[Gary]

So why did our gm sign him to an extension?

Insurance policy.

[Laika]

So why did our gm sign him to an extension?

 

I dunno. It happened in the middle of July. Maybe they have or had indicators or fancy stats that made it seem like they were buying low.

 

Heck, maybe they DID buy low. A lot of the decision was just about having controllable depth. Having someone, anyone, under contract for subsequent years.

 

It was hard to see the attraction at the time based on public information and a few months later it is even harder. IIRC he was very bad after signing the extension.

[burlingtonbandit]

To sign a free agent this early it typically takes something extra on the expected contract. An extra year, a bit more money, a guaranteed starting job...

 

MLBTR predicted 2/$10 for Pearce.

 

Would you give Steve Pearce 3/$15?

 

Would you give him, say, 2/$13?

 

Keith Law said he would only give Pearce "one or two million." lol

 

Keith Law said he would give Bautista 2 years at 8 million per year. Also said Devon Travis was a non-prospect when he got traded.

 

Keith Law is one of the most annoying people in baseball.

[burlingtonbandit]

Smoak intrigued last year with that .243 ISO. 18 homers in just 330 PA. At 28 years old it was fair to add everything up and make a small bet that he could be a power platoon player going forward with some gravy 1B defensive replacement value.

 

The bottom fell out this year though. He never looked good at baseball. Sunk.

 

I don't get why people think he's so good defensively. -16 DRS in his career and UZR simply has him as average.

[Governator]

I don't get why people think he's so good defensively. -16 DRS in his career and UZR simply has him as average.

 

how much weight can you put on defensive metrics for 1B tho?

[Angrioter]

Trade for Tyler White

[Ray]

I say we go all out and trade for Tebow. He can play 1st, right?

[Terminator]

I would go 3 for 15 or 2 for 13.

[Gary]

From Ken Rosenthal: On #BlueJays: Team gave Smoak, a switch-hitter like Morales, 2 yr./$8.5M deal in July. Stands to reason he at least will play 1B vs. RHPs.

[BigCecil]

I would go 3 for 15 or 2 for 13.

 

For Pearce. Absolutely. Guy beasts LHP.

[Joshtowers]

Don't see any hype in this guy

[jays4life19]

Don't see any hype in this guy

 

Why? He hit 136 wRC+ last year, projected to hit 112 wRC+ next year. Can play 1st, 2nd and OF. He's going to sign a cheap, short term contract. There's a lot to like here.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Will he even be ready for the start of the season? Added Risk = Less money !

 

Think his last contract was under 5 mil was it not, does he require a raise even based on his play?

 

1 plus a option maybe best move, since we do have the Tellez factor to consider as well !

 

I would think 4-5 mill max at best, 500,000 mil buyout or a one year deal at 5-6 for him.

 

Both deals I would like him on if a lot less 2-4 is what I am hoping for. Please yes!

 

And then sign Thames.... ASAP!

[KingKat]

From Ken Rosenthal: On #BlueJays: Team gave Smoak, a switch-hitter like Morales, 2 yr./$8.5M deal in July. Stands to reason he at least will play 1B vs. RHPs.

 

The stands to reason part is the key there. Neither Rosenthal nor Shi have indicated that they have any real insight into the FO's thinking. Smoak's playing time is an inference.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Alford, Pompey, Tellez, Urena, Gurriel could all become major league fixtures in the next two years.

 

Also McGuire, Ramirez

 

As much as I liked Tellez, even before being drafted by the Jays. It seems there's a few reputable guys who aren't so high on his bat against MLB pitching.

[Brownie19]

Why? He hit 136 wRC+ last year, projected to hit 112 wRC+ next year. Can play 1st, 2nd and OF. He's going to sign a cheap, short term contract. There's a lot to like here.

 

Feeding the troll...

[Brownie19]

It's seems where there is smoke there is fire with Shatkins. Hope that trend continues in this case.

[Slade]

I would prefer Valbuena over Pearce.

[glory]

It's seems where there is smoke there is fire with Shatkins. Hope that trend continues in this case.

 

Yeah rumors about Jays interest in certain players seems more legit now. When AA was GM you knew any rumors were BS.

[GD]

To sign a free agent this early it typically takes something extra on the expected contract. An extra year, a bit more money, a guaranteed starting job...

 

MLBTR predicted 2/$10 for Pearce.

 

Would you give Steve Pearce 3/$15?

 

Would you give him, say, 2/$13?

 

Keith Law said he would only give Pearce "one or two million." lol

 

2-16 or 3-24 if we had to