Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[GD]

Another solution: sign Austin Jackson for 1-2M. Tell Smoak to GTFO.

 

Yes please. 1 year removed from 2.3 WAR season and was injury plagued last year.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

If he's not hurt this year, why can't he play 500+ games? I'd love to see him play a lot of LF honestly. That and I am hoping that Pompey has an amazing spring and supplants someone on the major league roster.

[Abomination]

I wouldn't mind signing Blash to a minors deal with invite.

[Bobthe4th]

How crazy of an idea would it be to try and get Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal for bullpen depth? Seemed to do well for the Indians last season, although only 20IP.

 

We had him at AAA for about a month last season before granting him a release.

 

I assume he'll get a spring training invite from another team though.

 

Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal to the Brewers.

[Ray]

Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal to the Brewers.

 

I say we get em' back by signing Chris Carter.

 

And then if Smoak could somehow be flipped for a backup catcher, that would be ideal.

[RealAccountant]

If he's not hurt this year, why can't he play 500+ games? I'd love to see him play a lot of LF honestly. That and I am hoping that Pompey has an amazing spring and supplants someone on the major league roster.

 

Unrealistic expectations

[King Carlos]

I say we get em' back by signing Chris Carter.

 

And then if Smoak could somehow be flipped for a backup catcher, that would be ideal.

 

Can't believe anyone would want Chris Carter, unless you want the team to break the franchise record for K's that we set last year.

[Dr. Dinger]

Can't believe anyone would want Chris Carter, unless you want the team to break the franchise record for K's that we set last year.

 

Who gives a f***? They made it to the ALCS.

[RealAccountant]

Can't believe anyone would want Chris Carter, unless you want the team to break the franchise record for K's that we set last year.

 

Well we could have Upton Smoak and Carter

 

And chase the all time record

[King Carlos]

Who gives a f***? They made it to the ALCS.

 

Wow.

[King Carlos]

Am I missing something here?

 

IMO, Chris Carter is f***in AIDS. 0.9 WAR last year despite leading NL in homers. Projected for 0.4 WAR in 2017 in steamer.

 

He's a below average player who strikes out 33% of his career at bats.

 

Yet some here want to give him like 8-10 million?

 

We already have a guy like that for $4 million, who plays better defense and everyone hates him.

[Rusty_Savage]

Am I missing something here?

 

IMO, Chris Carter is f***in AIDS. 0.9 WAR last year despite leading NL in homers. Projected for 0.4 WAR in 2017 in steamer.

 

He's a below average player who strikes out 33% of his career at bats.

 

Yet some here want to give him like 8-10 million?

 

We already have a guy like that for $4 million, who plays better defense and everyone hates him.

 

0.9 WAR says he's not below average.

 

 

He also had a 112 wRC+. Sure he blows defensively but Smoak isn't that great either. He would be an upgrade.

[King Carlos]

0.9 WAR says he's not below average.

 

 

He also had a 112 wRC+. Sure he blows defensively but Smoak isn't that great either. He would be an upgrade.

 

Replacement does not equal average.

 

I thought it was established in the other thread that a league average full time player is approximately 2 WAR?

[RealAccountant]

yeah Smoak will strikeout equally as much.

[King Carlos]

Both Chris Carter and Justin Smoak are below average players who, if playing full time, in any given year would be in competition to lead MLB in K's. Also neither player has positional flexibility. Therefore since we already have Smoak we do not need Carter. Neither player is in fact, desirable.

 

Valbuena was the guy we should have signed. He can play 1b, 2b, 3b and bat left.

[Ray]

People do realize that we're not going to have MVP-calibre players in every position right? Not only that, it's not like there are better options left. Brandon Moss isn't exactly known for his plate discipline either.

 

The thinking behind getting Carter would be that

 

A) He's a marginally better version than Justin Smoak who can hit a ton of home runs.

He'll come on a dirt cheap 1 year deal. We could probably nab him for $5-6 million

 

I'd want to make sure we could unload Smoak before we think of getting Carter though.

[RealAccountant]

Can we please sign Dioner Navarro already. Sign him to a 1 year 2 million dollar deal

[P2F]

What happened to King Carlos? Did he rage-reply to the Chris Carter idea?

[wk680]

People do realize that we're not going to have MVP-calibre players in every position right? Not only that, it's not like there are better options left. Brandon Moss isn't exactly known for his plate discipline either.

 

The thinking behind getting Carter would be that

 

A) He's a marginally better version than Justin Smoak who can hit a ton of home runs.

He'll come on a dirt cheap 1 year deal. We could probably nab him for $5-6 million

 

I'd want to make sure we could unload Smoak before we think of getting Carter though.

 

I think you summed it up well. Over the past three seasons Carter has total 3.3 fWAR, while Smoak has a dismal +0.1 total fWAR (was actually negative in 2 of 3 of those seasons). But the key to obtaining Carter should be unloading Smoak and not having to eat more than half the $8M owed to him. An earlier post mentioned Carter costing $10M, which I think was assuming Smoak salary of $4M was burned and paying $6M to Carter. They could also get lucky and have someone claim Smoak on waivers.

 

But I still would prefer Moss, since he has the LH bat and is a decent defensive LFer. If the Jays can get Moss for 1 yr, $8-10M, I would prefer that route

[Orgfiller]

0.9 WAR says he's not below average.

 

 

He also had a 112 wRC+. Sure he blows defensively but Smoak isn't that great either. He would be an upgrade.

It does actually. There's literally this same discussion going on in another thread.

[burlingtonbandit]

People do realize that we're not going to have MVP-calibre players in every position right? Not only that, it's not like there are better options left. Brandon Moss isn't exactly known for his plate discipline either.

 

The thinking behind getting Carter would be that

 

A) He's a marginally better version than Justin Smoak who can hit a ton of home runs.

He'll come on a dirt cheap 1 year deal. We could probably nab him for $5-6 million

 

I'd want to make sure we could unload Smoak before we think of getting Carter though.

 

You are going to have to eat Smoak's entire contract though. So the price of an upgrade from Smoak to Carter is closer to $10 Million (thats just this year, not including next). And considering you lose the platoon advantage I'd be the upgrade is less than half a win.

 

Not worth it at all.

[Abomination]

You are going to have to eat Smoak's entire contract though. So the price of an upgrade from Smoak to Carter is closer to $10 Million (thats just this year, not including next). And considering you lose the platoon advantage I'd be the upgrade is less than half a win.

 

Not worth it at all.

 

Dunno, I'm not sure we'd have to eat too much. I could see the Rangers or Astros being a possible fit.

 

Smoak + something for Aoki would rock, especially since they signed Reddick and Beltran, and may not have too many at-bats for him.

Edited January 21, 2017 by Abomination

[Spanky99]

What happened to King Carlos? Did he rage-reply to the Chris Carter idea?

 

I'm assuming an IP check.

[Pendleton]

I'm assuming an IP check.

 

Usually you tell us who it is haha

[Spanky99]

Usually you tell us who it is haha

 

LTR/Big John.

[Rusty_Savage]

It does actually. There's literally this same discussion going on in another thread.

 

 

My bad I guess. I just figured that 0.0 WAR equaled replacement which equalled average but it makes sense, I guess.

[Ray]

You are going to have to eat Smoak's entire contract though. So the price of an upgrade from Smoak to Carter is closer to $10 Million (thats just this year, not including next). And considering you lose the platoon advantage I'd be the upgrade is less than half a win.

 

Not worth it at all.

 

Smoaks contract is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. He's a $4 million/yr switch hitter with pop that is okay defensively, and in a good year can put up between 1-1.3 WAR. Teams won't be necessarily be bending over backwards to land him, but he is no where near the trade anchor that people make him out to be.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Ray

[Bobthe4th]

Smoaks contract is nearly as bad as people make it out to be. He's a $4 million/yr switch hitter with pop that is okay defensively, and in a good year can put up between 1-1.3 WAR. Teams won't be necessarily be bending over backwards to land him, but he is no where near the trade anchor that people make him out to be.

 

It's true that $4m a year is relatively low.

 

But the point is that Smoak wouldn't be able to get that contract as a free agent. Why would any team give up any assets to trade for Smoak just to then be overpaying him?

 

If we were able to find a team that wants him, we'd almost certainly have to eat some salary to make a trade work.

[Ray]

It's true that $4m a year is relatively low.

 

But the point is that Smoak wouldn't be able to get that contract as a free agent. Why would any team give up any assets to trade for Smoak just to then be overpaying him?

 

If we were able to find a team that wants him, we'd almost certainly have to eat some salary to make a trade work.

 

We literally went through this exact situation with Storen, and he had a worse contract.

[Bobthe4th]

We literally went through this exact situation with Storen, and he had a worse contract.

 

Not really. Drew Storen was half way through a 1 year $8m contract and had a track record of success prior to joining us. Relievers often will change teams mid season and then put up good numbers.

 

Smoak is a 2 year commitment to a 1B only player who has no track record of success and has been terrible recently.