Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Terminator]

Blue Jays actually have a pretty good group of position player prospects. Alford, Tellez, Pompey, Urena all should be knocking on the door the next couple of years.

 

Vlad Jr. could be here sooner than people think as well.

[intentional wok]

Anybody else wanna get Cruisin' Chris Carter for cheap? He's a big upgrade on Smoak and can platoon a bit with Upton. Pearce RF/1B, Bautista to LF, bing bang boom.

 

I'd do this. The FO may seem committed to Smoak but I think it's more than reasonable to think they may be trying to dump him somewhere. Carter seems the sort of player they'd love to add.

 

One thing I genuinely wonder is how Pearce will be used. Does the FO see him getting everyday ABs?

[Bobthe4th]

Blue Jays actually have a pretty good group of position player prospects. Alford, Tellez, Pompey, Urena all should be knocking on the door the next couple of years.

 

Vlad Jr. could be here sooner than people think as well.

 

Gurriel has arguably a better chance of contributing something significant before any of those prospects too (unless Gibbons allows Pompey a chance).

[G-Snarls]

Anybody else wanna get Cruisin' Chris Carter for cheap? He's a big upgrade on Smoak and can platoon a bit with Upton. Pearce RF/1B, Bautista to LF, bing bang boom.

 

YES

 

Sign Carter for under 6-8M and trade Smoak and 1-2M of salary relief for a backup catcher

[G-Snarls]

I'd do this. The FO may seem committed to Smoak but I think it's more than reasonable to think they may be trying to dump him somewhere. Carter seems the sort of player they'd love to add.

 

One thing I genuinely wonder is how Pearce will be used. Does the FO see him getting everyday ABs?

 

Don't know

 

Gibby sure doesn't like using him as an everyday player

 

The FO should listen to him

[Dr. Dinger]

I'd do this. The FO may seem committed to Smoak but I think it's more than reasonable to think they may be trying to dump him somewhere. Carter seems the sort of player they'd love to add.

 

One thing I genuinely wonder is how Pearce will be used. Does the FO see him getting everyday ABs?

 

I think the FO has written-off Smoak behind closed doors. As it stands right he's limited to platoon/PH duty, but he really doesn't bring anything to the table. We can probably get Carter on a one year deal for $6M and at least have an above average hitter with bankable power. He would have a great chance to run into 40 HR at RC, batting average be damned. Actually he doesn't really have splits, either, so you don't need to platoon him. Just let him split time with Morales at 1B & DH.

[BTS]

I think the FO has written-off Smoak behind closed doors. As it stands right he's limited to platoon/PH duty, but he really doesn't bring anything to the table. We can probably get Carter on a one year deal for $6M and at least have an above average hitter with bankable power. He would have a great chance to run into 40 HR at RC, batting average be damned. Actually he doesn't really have splits, either, so you don't need to platoon him. Just let him split time with Morales at 1B & DH.

 

I'd be in for watching 40 CCC bombs this year. It's actually an efficient upgrade. Probably 5-6M to add 1-1.5 wins to Smoak.

[G-Snarls]

I'd be in for watching 40 CCC bombs this year. It's actually an efficient upgrade. Probably 5-6M to add 1-1.5 wins to Smoak.

 

It's efficient *IF* you can unload most of Smoak's contract

 

If you have to pay 3/4 of it it's probably not

[glory]

I like Pearce playing everyday at first. He's already above average there, and it might keep him healthier.

 

Trading Smoak for a LF that another team hates would be a good move but other than Bruce (who sucks on defence), can't think of a logical fit.

[BTS]

Another solution: sign Austin Jackson for 1-2M. Tell Smoak to GTFO.

[Dr. Dinger]

I'd be in for watching 40 CCC bombs this year. It's actually an efficient upgrade. Probably 5-6M to add 1-1.5 wins to Smoak.

 

Some people just hate strikeouts to an irrational extent. He's got 5 straight years of above average hitting and his market is non-existent. He's probably a decent 1-2 WAR player if strictly used at 1B/DH. Smoak has made it abundantly clear that he is useless in all respects.

[Dr. Dinger]

It's efficient *IF* you can unload most of Smoak's contract

 

If you have to pay 3/4 of it it's probably not

 

It's dead money. You can't unload Smoak except maybe on the off-chance you're trading him for a slightly better player with an also-bad contract, like Jay Bruce. I would just DFA Smoak, there's no point in throwing good money after bad. We have to pay him but we don't have to play him.

[Terminator]

I like Pearce playing everyday at first. He's already above average there, and it might keep him healthier.

 

Trading Smoak for a LF that another team hates would be a good move but other than Bruce (who sucks on defence), can't think of a logical fit.

 

I agree with you on Pearce.

 

I'd just put him at 1B nearly fulltime. Then throw Upton full-time and let it ride. That'd give us above average to excellent defense at every single spot but RF. To go with a good 5-deep rotation and what should at least be respectable offense and bullpen that team can compete for a wild card.

[G-Snarls]

Some people just hate strikeouts to an irrational extent. He's got 5 straight years of above average hitting and his market is non-existent. He's probably a decent 1-2 WAR player if strictly used at 1B/DH. Smoak has made it abundantly clear that he is useless in all respects.

 

Somehow, power hitting 1B have suddenly become undervalued by the market

 

Makes all the sense in the world to grab another one right now

[Dr. Dinger]

Somehow, power hitting 1B have suddenly become undervalued by the market

 

Makes all the sense in the world to grab another one right now

 

We are one of the few teams that could even give him a starting job. Colorado doesn't seem interested in him and the Marlins are apparently pursuing him as a short-side platoon partner for Bour. He'll get less AAV than Pearce.

[Dr. Dinger]

I agree with you on Pearce.

 

I'd just put him at 1B nearly fulltime. Then throw Upton full-time and let it ride. That'd give us above average to excellent defense at every single spot but RF. To go with a good 5-deep rotation and what should at least be respectable offense and bullpen that team can compete for a wild card.

 

I wouldn't want to bank on Upton as a starter and then get Braves-era Upton. Better to make a cheap investment in Carter or Moss and spread the risk of being terrible between two players. IMO Upton has more utility as a 4th OF/PR/PH vs LHP.

[Terminator]

I wouldn't want to bank on Upton as a starter and then get Braves-era Upton. Better to make a cheap investment in Carter or Moss and spread the risk of being terrible between two players. IMO Upton has more utility as a 4th OF/PR/PH vs LHP.

 

Yeah that's probably smart. It just seems like the budget is gone, right? I think Moss could probably at least get Michael Saunders money at this point and I don't know if we have that.

[burlingtonbandit]

Anybody else wanna get Cruisin' Chris Carter for cheap? He's a big upgrade on Smoak and can platoon a bit with Upton. Pearce RF/1B, Bautista to LF, bing bang boom.

 

I don't think he's enough of an upgrade considering he'd be playing vs RHP. wRC+ of 109 in his career vs Smoak's 100. Carter isn't good defensively either and given you would be paying close to $10M for the upgrade it doesn't seem to be worth it.

 

Rather get a LF or put the $ to bullpen/backup C.

[Dr. Dinger]

given you would be paying close to $10M for the upgrade

 

Certainly not. With absolute certainty I can tell you he will get less than $8M, because that's what he was going to get in arb, and the Brewers couldn't find a trade partner so they DFA him. It will be closer to $5M than $10M, and you don't really need to platoon him.

[burlingtonbandit]

Gurriel has arguably a better chance of contributing something significant before any of those prospects too (unless Gibbons allows Pompey a chance).

 

Yeah forgot about him. There's a good foundation there.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah that's probably smart. It just seems like the budget is gone, right? I think Moss could probably at least get Michael Saunders money at this point and I don't know if we have that.

 

Most think they planned to spend 160M

 

With Bautista re-signed, payroll currently sits just blow 151M

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/toronto-blue-jays/payroll/

 

There's enough money for Carter and a backup catcher

[Terminator]

Most think they planned to spend 160M

 

With Bautista re-signed, payroll currently sits just blow 151M

 

There's enough money for Carter and a backup catcher

 

I see. I'd rather have Moss than Carter I suppose.

[G-Snarls]

LOL @ Padres paying 11.45M to Upton this season

[G-Snarls]

I see. I'd rather have Moss than Carter I suppose.

 

What is Moss expected to get?

[Dr. Dinger]

I see. I'd rather have Moss than Carter I suppose.

 

They're similar hitters but Moss has more defensive utility. I would take either one if it's cost effective.

[KingKat]

Some people just hate strikeouts to an irrational extent. He's got 5 straight years of above average hitting and his market is non-existent. He's probably a decent 1-2 WAR player if strictly used at 1B/DH. Smoak has made it abundantly clear that he is useless in all respects.

 

Do you know who else strikes out a lot? Justin Smoak. They are pretty similar players really. The big difference is that Smoak's power hasn't translated into in game results as much as Carter's power has. Chris Carter is basically the player you see if you squint really hard at Smoak. Doesn't make sense to me to continue to employ Smoak if the player you're hoping he becomes is sitting right there.

[G-Snarls]

Certainly not. With absolute certainty I can tell you he will get less than $8M, because that's what he was going to get in arb, and the Brewers couldn't find a trade partner so they DFA him. It will be closer to $5M than $10M, and you don't really need to platoon him.

 

You're right

 

Carter career splits:

 

OPS .875 vs .803

wRC+ 118 vs 109

[z3r0s]

I don't mind a little CCC on a cheap deal. Same goes for Pedro Alvarez

[burlingtonbandit]

They're similar hitters but Moss has more defensive utility. I would take either one if it's cost effective.

 

Moss being LH gives him the edge for me.

[burlingtonbandit]

Good article on Pearce and how the high performance dept. is introducing a new workout strategy. While injuries have a degree of luck involved there is a lot than can be done the way you train. Soft tissue injuries especially

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-steve-pearce-feels-ahead-game-rehab/

 

Well, not so much anymore. Blue Jays trainers in Dunedin have been stressing motion and flexibility to Pearce throughout the off-season—not just with his injured elbow but his entire body—and have completely revamped the way he trains. The 33-year-old has been getting familiar with kettle bells and resistance bands over the last few weeks, tools he seldom used throughout his first 10 years in the majors.

 

"It’s definitely a different kind of workout. We’re not really throwing weight around. We’re doing body weight stuff and really specialized movements. I feel like a fish out of water right now just trying to learn all the stuff that they do because it’s completely different," Pearce says. "But it’s fun and exciting. They really know their stuff. And it’s challenging. I look forward to going every day because it’s something new."