Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Stangstag]

I greatly prefer Curtis Granderson. They are similarly talented, but he's on a short term deal.

 

And he also costs a prospect...

 

But honestly I hope we get both.

[BlueJaysGirl]

I hope we don't lose Fowler because we are $3M apart on AAV. That'd be freaking awful.

 

Even if we sign Fowler, I hope we make another run at Bats. Maybe, just maybe, you could be sold on a 1-year, $20M deal. It's more than the QO. He can increase his value with a good year, try for a WC, and next year there won't be as handcuffing a QO in place to decrease his value (with the new CBA, even if he has a great year).

 

Pearce is a better corner OF than JB at this point. But with Fowler and Pillar in LF and CF, you can afford to have a mediocre RF perhaps. Maybe JB and Pearce split duties between RF and 1B. Again, increasing JB's value where, depending on metrics, JB could be considered at 1B.

 

Without the Jays signing JB, I don't think he will sign with anyone until June. Where we'd lose the draft pick compensation, IIRC.

 

Fowler - LF

Travis - 2B

Donaldson - 3B

Bautista -RF/1B

Morales - DH

Tulo - SS

Pearce - 1B/RF

Martin - C

Pillar - CF

[jays4life19]

Not an unreasonable post. .

 

mods.

[glory]

If they sign Fowler, I don't think they will have enough money to get anyone else based on what some in the media are projecting the payroll to be. Might be Fowler and then Upton, Pompey, and Carrera fighting it out for the other OF spot. Of course, if they add Fowler and then trade for my man Dyson, then that would fit into the budget just fine (keeping the Dyson dream alive).

[Governator]

If they sign Fowler, I don't think they will have enough money to get anyone else based on what some in the media are projecting the payroll to be. Might be Fowler and then Upton, Pompey, and Carrera fighting it out for the other OF spot. Of course, if they add Fowler and then trade for my man Dyson, then that would fit into the budget just fine (keeping the Dyson dream alive).

 

What about the BP?

[Rusty_Savage]

Does anyone remember the Oakland teams of the 2000s? I don't. I see many lean years ahead and I won't be paying to watch Pearce, Smoak and Upton and the return of "Bucky-ball". We had something special, the likes of which we hadn't seen since the 80s and 90s.

 

You left out the fact that they offered EE 4/80 which looks to be the best offer he is going to get. Him

And his agent are the ones who f***ed this up.

[ChrisS]

Not an unreasonable post. People here more excited about Pearce than they would be about EE. This regime was brought in to cut cost, determined during the first half of the 2015 season. Then AAs team turned the whole outlook of the framchise around. Now we have just had a great season on the field, in attendance and in TV ratings. These shrewd moves should be exciting if they are to save money for a big acquisition. We just lost two franchise players. If you aren't going to bring in at least one stud you'd better make the playoffs or the fan base will dwindle quickly.

nobody here is more excited about Pearce than EE. For 2/12.5 it has the potential to provide great value. This allows us to go after someone big like a Dexter Fowler. If we added him, a backup catcher, bullpen help etc the payroll is up around 160mill. The casual fan doesn't understand this isn't a fantasy league, you can't just go out and blow money away on multiple year deals when we already have a few big commitments and JDs free agency looming.

Pearce could turn out to be a massive bargain. If he can stay healthy and play a full season he could be worth 3 WAR. If he doesn't it was a small commitment for small $$ ie little downside risk

[Jonn]

I hope we don't lose Fowler because we are $3M apart on AAV. That'd be freaking awful.

 

That's actually a huge gap to make up... We should want no part of 18M+ a year for Fowler. 15.5 is more than fair and I hope we don't go much over that. Hard to imagine they will. I just don't see anyone willing to pay that money especially with a draft pick attached.

[Bobthe4th]

That's actually a huge gap to make up... We should want no part of 18M+ a year for Fowler. 15.5 is more than fair and I hope we don't go much over that. Hard to imagine they will. I just don't see anyone willing to pay that money especially with a draft pick attached.

 

According to Ken Rosenthal the Cards made an offer to Fowler yesterday. Considering he hasn't accepted it yet, it's fair to assume it's at best a similar AAV to what the Jays offered.

[Bobthe4th]

What about the BP?

 

And backup catcher, though I wonder if they're going to give A.J. Jimenez the role with the option of replacing him with a waiver claim later in the season if he doesn't cut it.

[Sammy225]

And backup catcher, though I wonder if they're going to give A.J. Jimenez the role with the option of replacing him with a waiver claim later in the season if he doesn't cut it.

 

You can sign a solid backup for less then around 1-2M i would not worry about it and they will likely give Jimenez a chance to win in in spring anyway so they won't break the bank on a backup.

 

As for the bullpen i have always been a big believer that you don't throw big bucks around in the pen especially when you have 3 solid pieces in there as is (Osuna, Grilli, Big Joe). Logan/Blevins might command 7 per year and that would be the biggest guy i would go after.

[Governator]

You can sign a solid backup for less then around 1-2M i would not worry about it and they will likely give Jimenez a chance to win in in spring anyway so they won't break the bank on a backup.

 

As for the bullpen i have always been a big believer that you don't throw big bucks around in the pen especially when you have 3 solid pieces in there as is (Osuna, Grilli, Big Joe). Logan/Blevins might command 7 per year and that would be the biggest guy i would go after.

 

Well that's suggesting there is another $10MM available, glory was saying there might be none left if they sign Fowler based on the rumoured payroll budget, hence the comment.

[glory]

That's actually a huge gap to make up... We should want no part of 18M+ a year for Fowler. 15.5 is more than fair and I hope we don't go much over that. Hard to imagine they will. I just don't see anyone willing to pay that money especially with a draft pick attached.

 

I don't think there's any chance Fowler gets that much. A year ago no one wanted to lose a pick for him. He's raised his stock since then but I doubt he's raised it to the point where teams will want to grossly overpay and lose a pick. Picks might actually be more valuable now with the CBA eliminating first round compensation after this year.

 

He might come around at 4/60 in time. Or maybe he gets a better deal elsewhere. Whether the Jays wait for him to decide is a different story.

[BlueJayWay]

[Jonn]

 

Pretty much confirms the Cardinals offered less.

[Governator]

 

US Federal Tax Rate 39.6%

Missouri State Tax: 5.99%

 

Canadian Federal: 33%

Ontario Income: 13.16%

 

What am I missing here?

[ChrisS]

I was under the impression Pro Athletes pay tax based on their primary residence but Ive seen a number of sources recently that seem to suggest the opposite.

[TwistedLogic]

Colabello elects free agency.

 

[Jonn]

US Federal Tax Rate 39.6%

Missouri State Tax: 5.99%

 

Canadian Federal: 33%

Ontario Income: 13.16%

 

What am I missing here?

 

Nothing he's misinformed.

[BTS]

Colabello elects free agency.

 

 

f*** yes. I hate that guy as a player, and I'm excited to never see him in a jays jersey again.

[burlingtonbandit]

I was under the impression Pro Athletes pay tax based on their primary residence but Ive seen a number of sources recently that seem to suggest the opposite.

 

They pay based on where the games are played. So like 80 games in the home state of that team then its split up for all the different series. I think for endorsement deals it matters where the player's residence is so that is why most live in no income tax states.

[burlingtonbandit]

But didn't Trump say federal income tax rates are going down for the highest bracket? Pretty tough to ask for more $ based on that..

[ChrisS]

They pay based on where the games are played. So like 80 games in the home state of that team then its split up for all the different series. I think for endorsement deals it matters where the player's residence is so that is why most live in no income tax states.

 

From a brief search online in a worse case scenario a resident (in the tax bracket these guys are in) of a state with no state tax (I dont know where Dexter Fowler's primary residence is, but he is from Georgia which has a state tax) would receive about 2.7% less if playing in Toronto.

 

2.7% of 60 million is about 450K a year on a 4 year contract, hardly a deal breaker imo.

[Angrioter]

f*** yes. I hate that guy as a player, and I'm excited to never see him in a jays jersey again.

 

Who's next in your "Hate you modafoka" list?

 

Smoak? Goins?

[Terminator]

I'm starting to talk myself in to the idea that signing Colby Rasmus to platoon with Upton is a good option. He can't be that expensive and would provide a good risk-reward skillset for the contract the I envision him signing. Not sure how he feels about returning to TO or playing for Gibby again though.

[intentional wok]

I'm starting to talk myself in to the idea that signing Colby Rasmus to platoon with Upton is a good option. He can't be that expensive and would provide a good risk-reward skillset for the contract the I envision him signing. Not sure how he feels about returning to TO or playing for Gibby again though.

 

Armchair psych analysis here:

 

But I wonder if he's willing to play for Gibby again, as you say. Most of the crew he played with is already or likely to be gone. He was pretty much nailed to the bench at the end of 2014, right? I can't imagine he'd be too keen to play under the guy who did that again, and maybe even vice versa.

 

I always wonder about Colby, though. The quality of each of his seasons seems to be on such extreme ends of the spectrum. I want so much to like him as a player.

[43211234]

US Federal Tax Rate 39.6%

Missouri State Tax: 5.99%

 

Canadian Federal: 33%

Ontario Income: 13.16%

 

What am I missing here?

 

It means he parroted the notion that Toronto is a tax hellhole without doing any research on it.

[xposbrad]

US Federal Tax Rate 39.6%

Missouri State Tax: 5.99%

 

Canadian Federal: 33%

Ontario Income: 13.16%

 

What am I missing here?

 

It actually also used to be 29% before Turdeau raised it to 33.

[BTS]

Who's next in your "Hate you modafoka" list?

 

Smoak? Goins?

 

Really just Smoak and Goins left.

[43211234]

Plus the Medicare tax is another 1.45% in the USA, I think.