Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[glory]

Dexter Fowler is not Mike Trout. Jesus.

 

In other words you have no answer.

 

Jays should sign Chapman and make him a long reliever/spot starter. As long as he gets paid he won't care.

[King]

We're not talking about CF to 1B here. It's frigging CF to RF.

 

In other words you have no answer.

 

Jays should sign Chapman and make him a long reliever/spot starter. As long as he gets paid he won't care.

 

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[glory]

It doesn't matter if RF and CF are both in the OF. If Fowler has played CF his entire career and has other teams willing to play him in CF, then what incentive does he have to sign with the Jays unless they overpay him? These guys aren't f***ing robots.

 

You won't find many FA's, at least good ones, who change positions upon signing with a new team (except for ancient hitters who DH to extend their careers).

[TheHurl]

It doesn't matter if RF and CF are both in the OF. If Fowler has played CF his entire career and has other teams willing to play him in CF, then what incentive does he have to sign with the Jays unless they overpay him? These guys aren't f***ing robots.

 

You won't find many FA's, at least good ones, who change positions upon signing with a new team (except for ancient hitters who DH to extend their careers).

 

Hanley?

[Governator]

He already looked like a body builder when he was a s*** player in North America though. I'm not saying he's clean but the he got jacked and started killing the KBO narrative doesn't work. It's not only is it lazy but it doesn't even line up with what we know about the player.

 

 

Yes, he was jacked beforehand and of course I don't know if he's on roids or not... but when you reach such highs, looking like John Cena only adds to the skepticism. I'm not trying to suggest KBO is anywhere near the quality of talent as MLB but they put so much emphasis on entertainment it would not surprise me if they'd protect him in the event he was.

[glory]

Hanley?

 

There's one, although was any team willing to keep him at short? Dude was awful defensively. Fowler actually graded out positively on defence the past two seasons surprisingly.

[KingKat]

Yes, he was jacked beforehand and of course I don't know if he's on roids or not... but when you reach such highs, looking like John Cena only adds to the skepticism. I'm not trying to suggest KBO is anywhere near the quality of talent as MLB but they put so much emphasis on entertainment it would not surprise me if they'd protect him in the event he was.

 

It took several scandals and a congressional hearing for MLB to give a s*** about PEDs so I don't think it's a stretch to think that it's less of a concern in the KBO (or any foreign league really). That being said, I'm not convinced that you really need to go to a foreign league to get away with PED use. Sometimes the testing catches up to the users briefly like we saw with dehydrochlormethyltestosterone.

[KingKat]

Ian Desmond went from full time SS to full time CF.

[L54]

Glory's point is right. Dexter Fowler won't come to Toronto to play a corner spot unless they're the highest bidder. Are there really people who don't think that's true?

[glory]

Well, Desmond signed a one year deal because no team wanted to lose a pick for him, so he didn't have the options that Fowler has, but I'll give you that.

 

I guess my point is, unless the player is on board, it's pointless to say "well he just has to shift over". Some players may not mind, while others might. It's not as simple as "he's not Mike Trout, Jesus, so he will do what we say, dammit!". Fowler has options and can find a job playing his natural position. Unless the Jays overpay him, I think it's fair to say he'd value the CF jobs more than the LF/RF jobs.

[HERPDERP]

lets just solve it and trade Pillar

[KingKat]

dexter fowler won't come to toronto unless they're the highest bidder.

 

ftfy

[L54]

ftfy

 

Well that's true too. But to discount glory's point just isn't accurate.

[wamco]

Fowler

Jd

Beltran

Tulo

Morales

Martin

Travis

Pillar

Zeke/upton/pillar

 

Assuming 170m payroll with 40m to spend on fowler (or Desmond )

Beltran and morales after bullpen signings. Thoughts?

[RealAccountant]

Beltran does not want to play in Toronto

How many times are we going to discuss that. He has rejectes us on so many free agencies

[wamco]

Yup like the last one aa referred to and Beltran said no offer was ever made

 

 

Go nuts and throw Napoli in there for Beltran if you want

Edited October 25, 2016 by wamco

[wamco]

Glory's point is right. Dexter Fowler won't come to Toronto to play a corner spot unless they're the highest bidder. Are there really people who don't think that's true?

I dunno, it takes a special breed of moron to insist on playing over this years probable gg winner pillar.

That would be jeterish whom many could be forgiven for believing pastadiving was his first name after hearing the broadcast constantly say that balls got pastadiving jeter

[Jonn]

Glory's point is right. Dexter Fowler won't come to Toronto to play a corner spot unless they're the highest bidder. Are there really people who don't think that's true?

 

I said that like a week ago but ok

[L54]

I said that like a week ago but ok

 

Congrats John your super smart

[Terminator]

I said that like a week ago but ok

 

Lol do you think we keep track of your posts?

[RealAccountant]

I cant wait for the offseason to start. Holy crap, this stretch is awful, but I never realized how awful.

 

I wonder if someone in Rogers had a discussion with Shapiro along the lines of we need to keep the TV ratings coming. I mean 1 million a night numbers for 162 nights plus playoffs. Regardless of the FMV of rights, no one is going to want to go back to 300-400K days. Pressure is coming,

[Ziggyy108]

If extra salary is gonna be available, do you guys think it would be worth taking on some potentially bad money like James Shields and David Robertson if it meant getting Adam Eaton for a lesser package. Melky could be another guy they would would want to unload.

[Abomination]

If extra salary is gonna be available, do you guys think it would be worth taking on some potentially bad money like James Shields and David Robertson if it meant getting Adam Eaton for a lesser package. Melky could be another guy they would would want to unload.

 

I suspect they'd probably eat some of Robertson's salary rather than lessen a return (which wouldn't make sense for where they are).

[KingKat]

Anyone remember when Curtis Granderson pushed Brett Gardner to LF?

[saskjayfan]

It would be nice to get some sort of sense of what Rogers is willing to spend on payroll. The discussion around what the club should do will change in many people's eyes if projected payroll is around 140, 150, 160 or 170. I hope the Blue Jays raise payroll parameters, but I'm not convinced they will.

[Abomination]

It would be nice to get some sort of sense of what Rogers is willing to spend on payroll. The discussion around what the club should do will change in many people's eyes if projected payroll is around 140, 150, 160 or 170. I hope the Blue Jays raise payroll parameters, but I'm not convinced they will.

 

It seems pretty likely that they will. They're gonna really want to capitalize on the renewed fan interest. I would expect probably 160M, but it would be nice if that was a little flexible for the right fits.

[Grant77]

It seems pretty likely that they will. They're gonna really want to capitalize on the renewed fan interest. I would expect probably 160M, but it would be nice if that was a little flexible for the right fits.

 

I'm not certain that Shapiro and Atkins would even spend 160 if they had it.

[Jonn]

Congrats John your super smart

 

Thanks man!

[Terminator]

It would be nice to get some sort of sense of what Rogers is willing to spend on payroll. The discussion around what the club should do will change in many people's eyes if projected payroll is around 140, 150, 160 or 170. I hope the Blue Jays raise payroll parameters, but I'm not convinced they will.

 

Well he said not top 5 but he said they should be in the next 5 (6-10). Based on 2016 that would put them between 147 million and 167 million.

[burlingtonbandit]

It would be nice to get some sort of sense of what Rogers is willing to spend on payroll. The discussion around what the club should do will change in many people's eyes if projected payroll is around 140, 150, 160 or 170. I hope the Blue Jays raise payroll parameters, but I'm not convinced they will.

 

Atkins saying the club hasn't received the payroll number yet scares me. You would think they should now by now given FA is getting close.