Report: Blue Jays plan to offer Encarnacion long-term deal

[Key22]

Contracts are also about the union's goal to drive the contracts up so that the next guy has a higher starting point - and they put pressure on the player to choose the most money and not take less because they like a city better. The Qualifying offer is $17.2 million this year. There are no big bats on the free agent market - EE is the best of them. Someone will offer at least 4 years and $88 million. Some may go five. Look at age and hitting. Ortiz (why is he retiring - he just had a monster season 1.000+ OPS is massive. The guy is 40. Someone will look at EE and say - "hey this guy should be good until at least 38"

 

Zaun noted that Toronto has no good will here. They gave him a rather insulting 2 years offer apparently - so any home town discount will, in Zaun's opinion, be off the table. Although you never I suppose - it would probably depend on which clubs back the truck up for him. We need money to get more Altuve and Paul Molitor type hitters in my opinion - someone who can hit under pressure and who get on base and don't strike out in half their at bats. A team of hitters who don't get dominated by a bunch of mediocrities on the other team.

[L54]

Contracts are also about the union's goal to drive the contracts up so that the next guy has a higher starting point - and they put pressure on the player to choose the most money and not take less because they like a city better. The Qualifying offer is $17.2 million this year. There are no big bats on the free agent market - EE is the best of them. Someone will offer at least 4 years and $88 million. Some may go five. Look at age and hitting. Ortiz (why is he retiring - he just had a monster season 1.000+ OPS is massive. The guy is 40. Someone will look at EE and say - "hey this guy should be good until at least 38"

 

Zaun noted that Toronto has no good will here. They gave him a rather insulting 2 years offer apparently - so any home town discount will, in Zaun's opinion, be off the table. Although you never I suppose - it would probably depend on which clubs back the truck up for him. We need money to get more Altuve and Paul Molitor type hitters in my opinion - someone who can hit under pressure and who get on base and don't strike out in half their at bats. A team of hitters who don't get dominated by a bunch of mediocrities on the other team.

 

I agree with the top half of your post. The second half... not so much.

[Grant77]

We need money to get more Altuve and Paul Molitor type hitters in my opinion - someone who can hit under pressure and who get on base and don't strike out in half their at bats. A team of hitters who don't get dominated by a bunch of mediocrities on the other team.

 

You realize that Encarnacion is one of the best hitters in the game, right? He gets on base a lot, doesn't strike out very much, and hits well under pressure. I get that players fail in big situations and it's annoying, but he led the league in RBI and has one of the biggest hits in franchise history.

[Pendleton]

I'm guessing they aren't going to be making that offer anymore. No home runs for 2 games

 

It's hard to tell if you're kidding or not

[ElNik2013]

Despair them with a 4 year offer, 2 years for each!

[Mittens87]

Kidding. But starting to wonder if that word of a deal being offered was to hype up the ALCS for blue jays fans?

[Jonn]

Contracts are also about the union's goal to drive the contracts up so that the next guy has a higher starting point - and they put pressure on the player to choose the most money and not take less because they like a city better. The Qualifying offer is $17.2 million this year. There are no big bats on the free agent market - EE is the best of them. Someone will offer at least 4 years and $88 million. Some may go five. Look at age and hitting. Ortiz (why is he retiring - he just had a monster season 1.000+ OPS is massive. The guy is 40. Someone will look at EE and say - "hey this guy should be good until at least 38"

 

Zaun noted that Toronto has no good will here. They gave him a rather insulting 2 years offer apparently - so any home town discount will, in Zaun's opinion, be off the table. Although you never I suppose - it would probably depend on which clubs back the truck up for him. We need money to get more Altuve and Paul Molitor type hitters in my opinion - someone who can hit under pressure and who get on base and don't strike out in half their at bats. A team of hitters who don't get dominated by a bunch of mediocrities on the other team.

 

You're right! All Atkins needs to do is let Jose and Edwin go and bring in a couple of batting champs to replace them. We need more future hall of fame talent on the roster!

[Key22]

That's right John - teams don't typically win without star players - the odd exception. But Toronto is a playoff team (borderline perhaps) but they are doing this WITH EE!! Losing him and JB would be tough because that's two of the best three hitters on the team. And their offense stunk this year and is stinking against Cleveland - but making it worse doesn't exactly help. Atkins and company are in tough spot - the pitching is good enough to win. It carried the team all year. There are no free agent improvements. They are wasting money on Smoak, Saunders can't field or run anymore (and for the last three months also can't hit) - that knee is done. Sign EE somehow and get a lefty bat and some sort of true lead off hitter and some RISP hitters. The team needs big OBP. But from where. Hackers are great during the season but as you can see when we run into a team that can pitch and can catch we look hopeless. I know it's asking a lot to just go and get a couple of hall of fame caliber players but that's how Toronto won the first time - Hall of Famers Molitor and Alomar at the same time. And several guys who were putting up hall of fame numbers like Olerud, their starters and their back end pen arms.

 

Perhaps I'm just frustrated that we get shut out by guys with near 4.00 ERAs. And in both games our pitchers held the opponents to numbers that should have us win. Where is EE and JD and JB and RM and TT? A lot of money doing zippo.

[Krylian]

That's right John - teams don't typically win without star players - the odd exception. But Toronto is a playoff team (borderline perhaps) but they are doing this WITH EE!! Losing him and JB would be tough because that's two of the best three hitters on the team. And their offense stunk this year and is stinking against Cleveland - but making it worse doesn't exactly help. Atkins and company are in tough spot - the pitching is good enough to win. It carried the team all year. There are no free agent improvements. They are wasting money on Smoak, Saunders can't field or run anymore (and for the last three months also can't hit) - that knee is done. Sign EE somehow and get a lefty bat and some sort of true lead off hitter and some RISP hitters. The team needs big OBP. But from where. Hackers are great during the season but as you can see when we run into a team that can pitch and can catch we look hopeless. I know it's asking a lot to just go and get a couple of hall of fame caliber players but that's how Toronto won the first time - Hall of Famers Molitor and Alomar at the same time. And several guys who were putting up hall of fame numbers like Olerud, their starters and their back end pen arms.

 

Perhaps I'm just frustrated that we get shut out by guys with near 4.00 ERAs. And in both games our pitchers held the opponents to numbers that should have us win. Where is EE and JD and JB and RM and TT? A lot of money doing zippo.

 

You do realize that losing EE and JB wouldn't be the end of it. Right? They would be replaced.

The question is, who are they replaced with...perhaps they are even better.

[Krylian]

You're right! All Atkins needs to do is let Jose and Edwin go and bring in a couple of batting champs to replace them. We need more future hall of fame talent on the roster!

 

Agreed.

[BlueRocky]

Blue Jays HQ: "we're running out of bad contracts on our books next year. Let's sign Smoaky 8 mill/2 years."

 

*proceeds with QO to Edwin*

 

Edwin: "I want 25 mill per year for 4 years"

Blue Jays HQ: "sorry 20 mill and 3 years is the best we can do. We'll take the draft pick."

 

*EE signs 125 mill / 5 years with Red Sox*

 

*Smoak becomes everyday first baseman & signs endorsement with booster juice*

 

*Rogers 2017 ratings down 40%*

[Atothe]

Blue Jays HQ: "we're running out of bad contracts on our books next year. Let's sign Smoaky 8 mill/2 years."

 

*proceeds with QO to Edwin*

 

Edwin: "I want 25 mill per year for 4 years"

Blue Jays HQ: "sorry 20 mill and 3 years is the best we can do. We'll take the draft pick."

 

*EE signs 125 mill / 5 years with Red Sox*

 

*Smoak becomes everyday first baseman & signs endorsement with booster juice*

 

*Rogers 2017 ratings down 40%*

 

This is incredibly dumn

[LGBJ29]

Blue Jays HQ: "we're running out of bad contracts on our books next year. Let's sign Smoaky 8 mill/2 years."

 

*proceeds with QO to Edwin*

 

Edwin: "I want 25 mill per year for 4 years"

Blue Jays HQ: "sorry 20 mill and 3 years is the best we can do. We'll take the draft pick."

 

*EE signs 125 mill / 5 years with Red Sox*

 

*Smoak becomes everyday first baseman & signs endorsement with booster juice*

 

*Rogers 2017 ratings down 40%*

 

[Brownie19]

Contracts are also about the union's goal to drive the contracts up so that the next guy has a higher starting point - and they put pressure on the player to choose the most money and not take less because they like a city better. The Qualifying offer is $17.2 million this year. There are no big bats on the free agent market - EE is the best of them. Someone will offer at least 4 years and $88 million. Some may go five. Look at age and hitting. Ortiz (why is he retiring - he just had a monster season 1.000+ OPS is massive. The guy is 40. Someone will look at EE and say - "hey this guy should be good until at least 38"

 

Zaun noted that Toronto has no good will here. They gave him a rather insulting 2 years offer apparently - so any home town discount will, in Zaun's opinion, be off the table. Although you never I suppose - it would probably depend on which clubs back the truck up for him. We need money to get more Altuve and Paul Molitor type hitters in my opinion - someone who can hit under pressure and who get on base and don't strike out in half their at bats. A team of hitters who don't get dominated by a bunch of mediocrities on the other team.

 

That's right John - teams don't typically win without star players - the odd exception. But Toronto is a playoff team (borderline perhaps) but they are doing this WITH EE!! Losing him and JB would be tough because that's two of the best three hitters on the team. And their offense stunk this year and is stinking against Cleveland - but making it worse doesn't exactly help. Atkins and company are in tough spot - the pitching is good enough to win. It carried the team all year. There are no free agent improvements. They are wasting money on Smoak, Saunders can't field or run anymore (and for the last three months also can't hit) - that knee is done. Sign EE somehow and get a lefty bat and some sort of true lead off hitter and some RISP hitters. The team needs big OBP. But from where. Hackers are great during the season but as you can see when we run into a team that can pitch and can catch we look hopeless. I know it's asking a lot to just go and get a couple of hall of fame caliber players but that's how Toronto won the first time - Hall of Famers Molitor and Alomar at the same time. And several guys who were putting up hall of fame numbers like Olerud, their starters and their back end pen arms.

 

Perhaps I'm just frustrated that we get shut out by guys with near 4.00 ERAs. And in both games our pitchers held the opponents to numbers that should have us win. Where is EE and JD and JB and RM and TT? A lot of money doing zippo.

 

You should probably find a new hobby.

[fatcowxlive]

Blair said something the other day that's really funny. Toronto's the only city where the fans wanna be in the GM instead of the manager lmao

[Brownie19]

Blair said something the other day that's really funny. Toronto's the only city where the fans wanna be in the GM instead of the manager lmao

 

Do we think that's true?

[jaysfan2014]

Blue Jays HQ: "we're running out of bad contracts on our books next year. Let's sign Smoaky 8 mill/2 years."

 

*proceeds with QO to Edwin*

 

Edwin: "I want 25 mill per year for 4 years"

Blue Jays HQ: "sorry 20 mill and 3 years is the best we can do. We'll take the draft pick."

 

*EE signs 125 mill / 5 years with Red Sox*

 

*Smoak becomes everyday first baseman & signs endorsement with booster juice*

 

*Rogers 2017 ratings down 40%*

 

Red Sox can't afford to hand $25M/year to a guy like Encarnacion with so much on the books already, and already projected to be over an assumed $200M ceiling on the luxury tax (projected) including arbitration, and a new CBA looming which may punish teams like Boston more on the luxury tax.

 

And Edwin isn't deserving of $25M/year--especially being limited to 1B/DH. Look how difficult it was for Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez to get contracts..

[KingKat]

Red Sox can't afford to hand $25M/year to a guy like Encarnacion with so much on the books already, and already projected to be over an assumed $200M ceiling on the luxury tax (projected) including arbitration, and a new CBA looming which may punish teams like Boston more on the luxury tax.

 

And Edwin isn't deserving of $25M/year--especially being limited to 1B/DH. Look how difficult it was for Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez to get contracts..

 

These aren't the old Red Sox. The Dombrowsky era Red Sox might just blow past the luxury tax ceiling.

[burlingtonbandit]

Red Sox can't afford to hand $25M/year to a guy like Encarnacion with so much on the books already, and already projected to be over an assumed $200M ceiling on the luxury tax (projected) including arbitration, and a new CBA looming which may punish teams like Boston more on the luxury tax.

 

And Edwin isn't deserving of $25M/year--especially being limited to 1B/DH. Look how difficult it was for Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez to get contracts..

 

Don't compare Edwin to Carter and Alvarez. Thats like comparing The Keg to Swiss Chalet.

[Stangstag]

I still don't understand how people don't have jaysfan2014 on ignore.

 

The worst part is that people keep quoting him, so i'm still subjected to his idiocy.

[fatcowxlive]

Do we think that's true?

 

hell yeah that's true lol look at half our discussions it's who would we give up what for, payroll money, etc lol

[KingKat]

I still don't understand how people don't have jaysfan2014 on ignore.

 

The worst part is that people keep quoting him, so i'm still subjected to his idiocy.

 

I honestly had no idea he was such a sore spot.

[Stangstag]

I honestly had no idea he was such a sore spot.

 

All he ever does is talk about how every team except the blue jays have MASSIVE holes.

[gruber92]

If EE and Bautista are not back, then Shapiro needs to get creative. I would go after Ian Desmond as our starting LF and possibly Josh Reddick to play RF, possibly platooning him with Upton. Brandon Moss might be a good LH power bat to consider also at a 1/$8M type deal.

[Stangstag]

If EE and Bautista are not back, then Shapiro needs to get creative. I would go after Ian Desmond as our starting LF and possibly Josh Reddick to play RF, possibly platooning him with Upton. Brandon Moss might be a good LH power bat to consider also at a 1/$8M type deal.

 

I like Moss and Reddick, but Desmond will probably be overpaid. Also Moss probably gets at least a 3/30 type deal.

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Morosi was mentioning that the Jays would most likely go after Inciarte. Would cost a lot but would be worth it, he has years of control and has a good bat

[gruber92]

I like Moss and Reddick, but Desmond will probably be overpaid. Also Moss probably gets at least a 3/30 type deal.

 

I don't think Moss will get three years, 2/20 will probably be more likely, but who knows. I just checked his numbers and he has a 142wRC+ and a .956 OPS with RISP this year. This would be a welcomed influx to the line up while getting more left handed at the same time.

[ElNik2013]

Team will get creative whether 1 of or both EE/JB are back or not. Relax, it'll be alright. Replacing Donaldson would be far more difficult. They can also improve at 1B and improving on Saunders.

[gruber92]

Morosi was mentioning that the Jays would most likely go after Inciarte. Would cost a lot but would be worth it, he has years of control and has a good bat

 

Pompey could pretty much be this if given the chance imo. Inciarte may be a bit better defensively but Pompey could give you everything else with a bit more power and SB's.

[dineke]

Do we think that's true?

 

it's blair so it's probably false