Bautista's next contract

[Laika]

I would do that, even $50M.

 

I would not give Saunders a QO. He's been terrible lately.

 

Yes and maybe.

 

As a DH Bautista would probably be a lot more productive in 2017. Him moving to DH would be a condition for giving him any contract.

 

Saunders is a coin flip at the QO value. There are better deals to be had but the team will need a corner OF and he would project to be worth something close to the QO. Need to read the market and decide whether it's worth the risk either way.

[Laika]

The overarching question here though is where the hell do Bautista, Edwin, and Saunders all fit on the roster after signing Eric Thames?

[G-Snarls]

Saunders is a coin flip at the QO value. There are better deals to be had but the team will need a corner OF and he would project to be worth something close to the QO. Need to read the market and decide whether it's worth the risk either way.

 

Yes. He seems like a steady 2 WAR player now. Right on the bubble for being worth a QO or not.

[G-Snarls]

The overarching question here though is where the hell do Bautista, Edwin, and Saunders all fit on the roster after signing Eric Thames?

 

Well, clearly we wouldn't need any of them

 

LOL

[Brownie19]

Yes. He seems like a steady 2 WAR player now. Right on the bubble for being worth a QO or not.

 

Watching him play defense is as painful as watching Dickey start. I'm not sure I can put up with it for another season. I think Saunders is a decent fallback option at DH in the event EE and/or Jose leave.

[G-Snarls]

Watching him play defense is as painful as watching Dickey start. I'm not sure I can put up with it for another season. I think Saunders is a decent fallback option at DH in the event EE and/or Jose leave.

 

Saunders and Bautista in LF and RF can't happen

 

Poor Pillar LOL

[RealAccountant]

If I am Shapiro I offer Jose 1 year 20 Mil to rebuild his value

 

Save him the whole qualifying offer blush. Turn it into a David Ortiz type situation

[fatcowxlive]

We'll give him a QO. If he gets offers that he likes he'll turn it down and get a pick. If he thinks he'll come back and mash better than he's ever done before he'll take the one year deal, and we may (or may not) get either get full value or above value at $16M. I don't see him accepting here though, he's having troubles catching up to the high fastball, he's slower than ever before and a key thing here is that, Bautista never had good range and made a few boneheaded plays in the OF but made up for it with a top 5 arm in the outfield. Now Pillar might have a better arm than him. He's become a one and half dimensional player for me, on base machine with 20-25 homers. which is good but he can't really play a position, maybe LF or 1B and he's becoming really older so injury risk is higher and skills will deteriorate.

 

Also with him being an on base machine, you have to figure they're going to pitch Bautista more in the zone given that his batspeed is obviously down, so I don't know how many walks he'll truly be able to draw

[puphood]

Watching him play defense is as painful as watching Dickey start. I'm not sure I can put up with it for another season. I think Saunders is a decent fallback option at DH in the event EE and/or Jose leave.

Saunders a decent fallback DH are you planning on not contending?

[RealAccountant]

Saunders a decent fallback DH are you planning on not contending?

 

Bringing back Saunders and Bautista means extending the contending window imo

 

We are losing Edwin but at least we can replace with competent 1B DH type. With Tulo and Martin and Donaldson you have to try and win

 

Plus look at the rotation. Going into next year with

 

Sanchez

Stroma

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

 

That ain't a bad deal. Elite closer to boot. Just need to rebuild pen and take another shot

[Governator]

If I am Shapiro I offer Jose 1 year 20 Mil to rebuild his value

 

Save him the whole qualifying offer blush. Turn it into a David Ortiz type situation

 

 

They won't be able to resign him on a 1 year deal within a week after the season ends, so they'll definitely give him the QO first that's practically a given. I don't think he'll accept considering he wants to know what he's worth on the open market. He's never played that game before and he's not stupid, he's a smart guy and probably looking forward to the process.

[FrozenRopes]

You don't say...

 

I just did. Comprehension not a strength monkeyspanker?

[FrozenRopes]

His next contract will be somewhere else.

[Zaun of the Dead]

he's going to the yankees

[THANOS]

The overarching question here though is where the hell do Bautista, Edwin, and Saunders all fit on the roster after signing Eric Thames?

 

It's difficult to remain in the same orbit as the great Chocolate Thunder.

[43211234]

There is no chance Bautista accepts the QO. He has been waiting years for free agency and while his season had been bad it hasn't been nightmarish.

[admin]

Bringing back Saunders and Bautista means extending the contending window imo

 

We are losing Edwin but at least we can replace with competent 1B DH type. With Tulo and Martin and Donaldson you have to try and win

 

Plus look at the rotation. Going into next year with

 

Sanchez

Stroma

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

 

That ain't a bad deal. Elite closer to boot. Just need to rebuild pen and take another shot

 

Our rotation is damn good, but the rest of the roster needs a reboot. If we didn't have Happ, Stroman, Sanchez, it would almost be a good time to rebuild. We have an aging Tulo, Bau, EE, Martin, and one year left of Donaldson. Very small window to compete with this roster. If we didn't have a chance to win over the next couple years I'd dump them all for a retooling of near ready prospects. Offer Bau and EE QO, trade Tulo and eat contract, same with Martin, move Grilli. Then either give Donaldson a massive contract and make him franchise player, or trade him for a massive haul.

[intrigid]

Assuming Bautista stays on pace for the rest of the season, how likely is it someone will offer him QO type money on a 2 or 3 year deal? I.e 2/35 or 3/50?

[intrigid]

We have an aging Tulo, Bau, EE, Martin, and one year left of Donaldson.

 

2 years, 1 remaining on the 2/29 contract, and 1 year of arbitration. Correct?

[admin]

Assuming Bautista stays on pace for the rest of the season, how likely is it someone will offer him QO type money on a 2 or 3 year deal? I.e 2/35 or 3/50?

 

Tough to say. Probably not the best comparison as he probably gives a hometown discount but Ortiz gets $16M per. Bautista is coming off a pretty poor season full of injuries. That being said he's only one year removed from a 40HR season. I'm sure you could pencil him in for 30-35HR, maybe more if healthy. I bet someone will give a three year deal out there.

[admin]

2 years, 1 remaining on the 2/29 contract, and 1 year of arbitration. Correct?

 

Yep $17M next year then 1 year arb. I'm sure he'll get $25M+ for 6 years.

[Laika]

How much would Tulo get if he was a FA this offseason?

[admin]

How much would Tulo get if he was a FA this offseason?

 

I think some team would be willing to overpay him based on his past. *edit* After looking at his contract it's not as bad as I thought. I thought it was heavily backloaded. I think he would probably get around what he is owed.

[fatcowxlive]

How much would Tulo get if he was a FA this offseason?

 

Probably close to what he gets now, maybe even more. Don't forget that the FA market is pretty dry and SS is still a premium position. If Pujols and Hamilton got what they got as aging players who were younger than him at the time I can defo see Tulo get what he got maybe even more. With some sort of no trade clause too probably. I would see a team like the Dodgers paying out their ass for him, if Corey Seager would move to 2B and they'd ship Utley off somewhere else.

 

Edit: I can see a deal for Troy being maybe 7-8 years at 145*165 Million? Annual salary at 20Mish

[jaysblue]

How much would Tulo get if he was a FA this offseason?

 

In a weak market, and since he plays a premium position, I think Tulo easily would get 20M per season still, possibly more. Tough to draw comparisons, though maybe something similar to what the Tigers signed Justin Upton for (6/$132). So basically just wipe out the two options at 14M & 15M with $20M guaranteed + an extra year at 20M.

[jaysblue]

Probably close to what he gets now, maybe even more. Don't forget that the FA market is pretty dry and SS is still a premium position. If Pujols and Hamilton got what they got as aging players who were younger than him at the time I can defo see Tulo get what he got maybe even more. With some sort of no trade clause too probably. I would see a team like the Dodgers paying out their ass for him, if Corey Seager would move to 2B and they'd ship Utley off somewhere else.

 

Edit: I can see a deal for Troy being maybe 7-8 years at 145*165 Million? Annual salary at 20Mish

 

I think if he was hitting like the Troy of old with the .900 OPS seasons, then easily a team gives him 7-8 years with 25M per. With two subpar seasons offensively (by his standards of what we're used to seeing), I think he gets 6 years at 21M or 22M per.

[BTS]

Probably close to what he gets now, maybe even more. Don't forget that the FA market is pretty dry and SS is still a premium position. If Pujols and Hamilton got what they got as aging players who were younger than him at the time I can defo see Tulo get what he got maybe even more. With some sort of no trade clause too probably. I would see a team like the Dodgers paying out their ass for him, if Corey Seager would move to 2B and they'd ship Utley off somewhere else.

 

Edit: I can see a deal for Troy being maybe 7-8 years at 145*165 Million? Annual salary at 20Mish

 

WTF. He's 32 and is going to project around 2 wins next year, and there's like 1 team with money that needs a shortstop. I think he'd get like 3/50 or something.

[AdamGreenwood]

Jose Reyes could do alright next year too.

 

I think the way it works is that he's a free agent at the end of this year, even though the Rockies owe him $22,000,000 next year and $4,000,000 the year after that.

What he could do, is sign a multi-year contract that's backloaded, so it only pays the major league minimum in 2017, and "overpays in subsequent years"

 

He could probably get $15 million for 3 years, weighted like:

 

2017 600,000 + (23.4 million from Rockies).

2018 600,000 + (3.4 million from Rockies).

2019 13.8 million

 

I'm not sure if it works that way or not, as I've never seen a useful player with thirty million left on his contract get dumped into free agency.

[TheHurl]

WTF. He's 32 and is going to project around 2 wins next year, and there's like 1 team with money that needs a shortstop. I think he'd get like 3/50 or something.

 

No way you can look at it in that kind of a vacuum. Teams without a SS need would be in. Boston, Yankees, Dodgers all make sure that it gets up to $20M per. Nats are always looking for Veteran leaders and have no issues moving everyone on their roster defensively. Then there are the teams with needs that you are putting in the "don't have the money" category.

[Brownie19]

If I am Shapiro I offer Jose 1 year 20 Mil to rebuild his value

 

Save him the whole qualifying offer blush. Turn it into a David Ortiz type situation

 

That is incredibly stupid.