BREAKING: Jays acquire Melvin Upton Jr.

[intentional wok]

MLB pitchers are getting injured more often than ever these days, this thinking isnt working. Let Sanchez start unless he becomes absolutely gassed. If he gets injured in the coming years we can live with it, he likely will anyway.

 

"Let him start unless he becomes absolutely gassed"?

 

That's what they're doing anyway. I also trust the medical experts on this over some message board speculation. If they have reason to believe that huge jumps in workload increase the risk of injury, they need to make their decisions based on that info. "MLB pitchers getting injured more often than ever" is a huge blanket statement that really doesn't say anything specific.

[fireballW]

"Let him start unless he becomes absolutely gassed"?

 

That's what they're doing anyway. I also trust the medical experts on this over some message board speculation. If they have reason to believe that huge jumps in workload increase the risk of injury, they need to make their decisions based on that info. "MLB pitchers getting injured more often than ever" is a huge blanket statement that really doesn't say anything specific.

 

That's what the statistics show. At least it was when I researched it a couple years ago. Wasnt even close.

[G-Snarls]

Hansel Rodriguez is the prospect AND the Padres are eating salary?

 

I like this

[Daniel Labude]

It's Clemens you putz

 

Haha...I woke up way too early today lol

[Angrioter]

Melvin for Hansel then

[intentional wok]

That's what the statistics show. At least it was when I researched it a couple years ago. Wasnt even close.

 

I'm saying that just because guys keep getting hurt doesn't mean limiting innings for young pitchers is flawed practice. If the medical professionals believe workload increase correlates with injury, then it's just as easy to say that these methods are preventing further injuries than the ones we're already seeing. Your attitude seems to be that since guys are getting injured, and since we can't pinpoint why, that we might as well throw any medical caution into the wind. The come what may attitude is irresponsible.

[RealAccountant]

What's the story behind BJ becoming Melvin

[Jonn]

What's the story behind BJ becoming Melvin

 

No story. Melvin is his real name. BJ was a nickname.

[fatcowxlive]

Hansel is good. We signed him with the ifa money we got when we traded Brent Morel (or some name like that) to the Angels after taking him in the rule 5 draft a few years ago.

 

Also.. He's in Bluefield, not the DSL.

 

But this is a fine trade. I like it.

 

Thanks buddy!!

[HERPDERP]

What's the story behind BJ becoming Melvin

he was tired of all the blowjob jokes

[Grant77]

So does substantial and colossal mean the same thing? Waiting on money exchanging hands. Hoping for atleast 40% of his salary. Wishing its half.

 

I think the Padres will definitely cover more than 50%.

[John_Havok]

I think the Padres will definitely cover more than 50%.

 

I'm okay with this deal even of the Jays end up with a 12 million dollar Upton for next year. Though this likely means Saunders is gone chances are he wouldn't have been back anyways

[glory]

Heyman said SD are paying "a lot" of the $22m left on Upton's contract. That seems like more than half of it, at least by the way he phrased it.

[burlingtonbandit]

My guess is Smoak plays 1st base vs Righties and Upton plays LF/RF vs Lefties while JB or Saunders DH. No reason Upton should start vs RHP with how the team is currently constructed. Then Upton comes in defensively late in the game or as a PR.

 

I really hope SD ate like 80% of the contract.

[RealAccountant]

I think it will be more like 30%, cant see them paying anymore.

[fireballW]

I'm saying that just because guys keep getting hurt doesn't mean limiting innings for young pitchers is flawed practice. If the medical professionals believe workload increase correlates with injury, then it's just as easy to say that these methods are preventing further injuries than the ones we're already seeing. Your attitude seems to be that since guys are getting injured, and since we can't pinpoint why, that we might as well throw any medical caution into the wind. The come what may attitude is irresponsible.

 

Medical caution to the wind? Nah. Ive looked it up extensively a couple years ago and although there are a lot of varying opinions, I came away believing that limiting an MLB pitcher by 30-40 innings in a year isn't going to save him from injury in enough cases to warrant doing it. I think the practice of limiting innings began a bit ago before the sabr era and that a lot of coaches and managers are now afraid to go against it because everyone will point the blame at them, even though we have had teams where basically our whole rotation has gone down in previous years.

 

It ia not just saying throw caution to the wind. I really believe youd get more out of an asset like Sanchez by allowing him to just pitch, under the assumption you can trust him to let you know if he gets fatigued. Pitching while fatigues is a big risk from what I understand. If he feels good, he should start basically.

[RealAccountant]

My guess is Smoak plays 1st base vs Righties and Upton plays LF/RF vs Lefties while JB or Saunders DH. No reason Upton should start vs RHP with how the team is currently constructed. Then Upton comes in defensively late in the game or as a PR.

 

 

Upton does add another dimension to the offensive game, assuming he still has the speed BJ had.

[LGBJ29]

My guess is Smoak plays 1st base vs Righties and Upton plays LF/RF vs Lefties while JB or Saunders DH. No reason Upton should start vs RHP with how the team is currently constructed. Then Upton comes in defensively late in the game or as a PR.

 

I really hope SD ate like 80% of the contract.

 

Lets not get carried away

[John_Havok]

Medical caution to the wind? Nah. Ive looked it up extensively a couple years ago and although there are a lot of varying opinions, I came away believing that limiting an MLB pitcher by 30-40 innings in a year isn't going to save him from injury in enough cases to warrant doing it. I think the practice of limiting innings began a bit ago before the sabr era and that a lot of coaches and managers are now afraid to go against it because everyone will point the blame at them, even though we have had teams where basically our whole rotation has gone down in previous years.

 

It ia not just saying throw caution to the wind. I really believe youd get more out of an asset like Sanchez by allowing him to just pitch, under the assumption you can trust him to let you know if he gets fatigued. Pitching while fatigues is a big risk from what I understand. If he feels good, he should start basically.

 

I think the rash of pitching injuries these days is far more related to how much these kids are pitching as kids rather than what they're doing as adults. Putting their arms through the ringer while they are still developing physically is not a good idea

[GD]

who?

 

Do they not talk about him on reddit?

[HERPDERP]

the fact that the commission office had to approve the deal shows its a big sum. I can't remember what the minimum amount is, but isn't is somewhere between 5-10 mil at least?

[intentional wok]

Medical caution to the wind? Nah. Ive looked it up extensively a couple years ago and although there are a lot of varying opinions, I came away believing that limiting an MLB pitcher by 30-40 innings in a year isn't going to save him from injury in enough cases to warrant doing it. I think the practice of limiting innings began a bit ago before the sabr era and that a lot of coaches and managers are now afraid to go against it because everyone will point the blame at them, even though we have had teams where basically our whole rotation has gone down in previous years.

 

It ia not just saying throw caution to the wind. I really believe youd get more out of an asset like Sanchez by allowing him to just pitch, under the assumption you can trust him to let you know if he gets fatigued. Pitching while fatigues is a big risk from what I understand. If he feels good, he should start basically.

 

But fatigue is not an injury, though. I'm sure they're watching him for fatigue, but until you post some of the credible evidence of varying opinions you looked up a few years ago I'd still rather leave it up to the medical professionals.

[HERPDERP]

Do they not talk about him on reddit?

 

you have an odd obsession with reddit, you should join sometime. Maybe take a peek at gonewild if you're bored and adventurous

[Dr. Dinger]

The Padres probably traded him to the team that was willing to take on the most salary. I doubt this has much to do with the prospect at all.

[intentional wok]

The Padres probably traded him to the team that was willing to take on the most salary. I doubt this has much to do with the prospect at all.

 

Probably. Orioles were offering Ubaldo, which just would have meant the Padres would then have to work around an over-priced gascan instead of an over-priced 4th OF.

[G-Snarls]

I'm very curious to see how Gibby uses everyone on defense and what he does with the lineup

 

Also who goes down, Lake?

[xposbrad]

Upton does add another dimension to the offensive game, assuming he still has the speed BJ had.

 

Ya but he doesn't get on base that often to use it.

[BigCecil]

Got to love our Board. Over 200 posts on this deal and the thread just started this am.

 

Go Jays! Go um...Melvin!

[HERPDERP]

Padres paying $17m. LOL

 

[G-Snarls]

Thank you Padres

 

F'n sweet