Who do we target @ the deadline??

[Dr. Dinger]

Gotcha. Well, can't blame him for aiming high, Pomeranz is his only good trade chip and his franchise is a shambles.

[BTS]

Dr. Dumn

[GD]

Not surprising. Guy who overvalued Matt Kemp and Craig Kimbrel places most weight on ERA, nothing else to see here.

 

His HR/FB is not really especially low, though, and he's under control until 2018. I'd be comfortable selling any prospects the Padres want.

 

The league rate has gone all the way up to 13% for some reason so 8.8% is kinda low.

 

Although I'm unclear as to why his value is affected by HR suppression in the way Dinger says it does.

[GD]

His HR/FB is about 2 points lower than his career rate, and it goes without saying that Petco suppresses HRs more than RC. Beyond that, his BABIP is unsustainably low and his xFIP isn't that much better than his career xFIP. He's changed his pitch mix this year and had success, but he's also been a bit lucky, and he's also lost 1.5 MPH off his FB. I just don't really trust that his gains are sustainable considering his 90.0 MPH FB and long history of sup-bar control, plus injuries.

 

His xFIPs have been in different environments though. In 2014 with Oakland he had a 3.65 xFIP that translated to a 96 xFIP. Now he has 3.66 which ends up at 88. SwStr rate is much higher and makes up for the sub par control. Also, 1.16 MPH off his fastball might not mean that much when none of his other pitches have slowed down at all. He's actually throwing his sinker and change harder this year.

[Dr. Dinger]

Sawx acquire Pom. Can't wait to see what Dumbrowski gave up. I'm guessing Devers + Kopech.

[STLJaysFan]

Brandon Moss has hit some long home runs at Busch Stadium this season and he occasionally fills in out in right field and first base. He's a good replacement when Matt Adams is slumping or injured or when the Cardinals want a left-handed bat in the lineup instead of Stephen Piscotty.

[LGBJ29]

Jim Bowden ‏@JimBowden_ESPN

Toronto Blue Jays have had internal discussions about possible interest in acquiring Carlos Beltran if the... http://es.pn/29JqxLy

[Dr. Dinger]

Odd. I guess if he's cheap, sure, although that means Edwin full-time at 1B and always playing one of Bautista or Beltran in the OF, where they're both pylons at this point. I'd rather go after Chapman, though obviously the price point is different.

[BTS]

Odd. I guess if he's cheap, sure, although that means Edwin full-time at 1B and always playing one of Bautista or Beltran in the OF, where they're both pylons at this point. I'd rather go after Chapman, though obviously the price point is different.

 

What pieces in the system are even attractive trade commodities? Tellez, Vlad, maybe Harris?

[King]

What pieces in the system are even attractive trade commodities? Tellez, Vlad, maybe Harris?

 

Sean Reid Foley

[jaysblue]

How about Andrew Cashner?

[Sorrow]

Sean Reid Foley

 

Francisco Rios has probably put his name on the map as well.

 

Of everyone mentioned I'd be most inclined to not move SRF, Tellez and Rios. Pompey, Alford, Greene, Harris, Perdormo if it means keeping the other three.

[BTS]

Sean Reid Foley

 

Right. Hard to see guys like Pompey, Alford and Greene carrying significant value at this point.

[King]

Francisco Rios has probably put his name on the map as well.

 

Of everyone mentioned I'd be most inclined to not move SRF, Tellez and Rios. Pompey, Alford, Greene, Harris, Perdormo if it means keeping the other three.

 

Pompey, Greene, Perdomo and even Harris could be expendable imo. We'll probably see one of them moved.

[Rusty_Savage]

How about Andrew Cashner?

 

I want no part of Andrew Cashner

[Dr. Dinger]

What pieces in the system are even attractive trade commodities? Tellez, Vlad, maybe Harris?

 

I don't think 30 IP of Chapman is going to necessarily be that expensive, considering how much 1+ seasons of Chapman cost the Yankees in the first place. The Nats are in heavy on Chapman, but they're not giving up the likes of Robles, Turner, or Giolito for him. The Yankees would be lucky to get someone like Reynaldo Lopez or Jon Harris for half a season of Chapman. They just need to get a prospect who's better than the comp pick they'd get, but that's not going to be a Top 25 prospect like the Padres got for Pomeranz.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think 30 IP of Chapman is going to necessarily be that expensive, considering how much 1+ seasons of Chapman cost the Yankees in the first place. The Nats are in heavy on Chapman, but they're not giving up the likes of Robles, Turner, or Giolito for him. The Yankees would be lucky to get someone like Reynaldo Lopez or Jon Harris for half a season of Chapman. They just need to get a prospect who's better than the comp pick they'd get, but that's not going to be a Top 25 prospect like the Padres got for Pomeranz.

 

Just because a team didn't give up much for him doesn't mean they will give him away. Josh Donaldson is getting a hell of a lot more than than what the Jays gave away for him 2 years ago if he's traded in the next year.

 

The Yankees are going to get way more than Jon Harris for him, I can assure you that. Its probably going to be an Eduardo Rodriguez type like the Sox got back for Miller a couple of years ago. Relievers are worth a ton this time of year.

[Dr. Dinger]

You're underestimating how good of a prospect Harris is at this point. He's in the top 75-100 prospect range. I won't bother getting into the Donaldson comment because that isn't analogous in any way shape or form... completely different player at a very different point in his contract and on a much better team. Apples and oranges. Eduardo Rodriguez was considered a steal for the Red Sox and that definitely represents an upper limit on what the Yankees would get for Chapman.

[Orgfiller]

While acquiring reliable elite relievers would be great, their cost probably isn't worth it. I think it's best if we go for more Jason Grilli types giving up just about nothing instead of trading what could be a #4-5 starter for half a year of Chapman.

[jaysblue]

I want no part of Andrew Cashner

 

As a back end of the rotation starter, he's not that bad. 2.3 WAR in each of the past two seasons. Wouldn't probably cost that much. Tyson Ross would even be a good target if he comes off the DL.

[Orgfiller]

As a back end of the rotation starter, he's not that bad. 2.3 WAR in each of the past two seasons. Wouldn't probably cost that much. Tyson Ross would even be a good target if he comes off the DL.

 

Both those guys are huge injury concerns. Cashner has been complete garbage this year and has lost over 1 mph on his fastball velocity. Probably a guy to steer away from.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Jon " Dirty" Harris is pretty good !!!

 

Ever if he can not spell his first name right!!! Lol

[jaysblue]

Both those guys are huge injury concerns. Cashner has been complete garbage this year and has lost over 1 mph on his fastball velocity. Probably a guy to steer away from.

 

I understand that though who else do you suggest to go after at a reasonable price? Rich Hill would be nice, but he's going to cost a lot and is probably the most sought after rental arm out there. Jeremy Hellickson? Outside of just being an innings eater, he's not that good.

 

Sonny Gray? I doubt the A's would move him now with his value this low. Even if they do, he'll still cost a pretty penny likely. Julio Teheran? He'll cost more than he is worth (4.10 xFIP) due to his age, controllability and the season he is having. Plus I wouldn't want him pitching in the AL East.

[Rusty_Savage]

As a back end of the rotation starter, he's not that bad. 2.3 WAR in each of the past two seasons. Wouldn't probably cost that much. Tyson Ross would even be a good target if he comes off the DL.

 

He's lost velocity and it seems to have affected his hr/9 and walk rate. Both have jumped considerably. It could be a case of sss but I think he would get destroyed in the AL East

[burlingtonbandit]

You're underestimating how good of a prospect Harris is at this point. He's in the top 75-100 prospect range. I won't bother getting into the Donaldson comment because that isn't analogous in any way shape or form... completely different player at a very different point in his contract and on a much better team. Apples and oranges. Eduardo Rodriguez was considered a steal for the Red Sox and that definitely represents an upper limit on what the Yankees would get for Chapman.

 

Chapman is going to get a lot more than you think, I'll leave it at that.

[Atothe]

Chapman is going to get a lot more than you think, I'll leave it at that.

 

I don't think he is. Why would someone give up a big time prospect for a free agent to be? Especially when the team trading him got him for mediocrity

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think he is. Why would someone give up a big time prospect for a free agent to be? Especially when the team trading him got him for mediocrity

 

Because he's really f***ing good and relievers are really valuable for teams in the playoffs. Look what Price, Cueto, Miller even Zobrist got as rentals the last couple of years. He's going to return more than a back end top 100 prospect.

[Rusty_Savage]

Because he's really f***ing good and relievers are really valuable for teams in the playoffs. Look what Price, Cueto, Miller even Zobrist got as rentals the last couple of years. He's going to return more than a back end top 100 prospect.

 

Well Miller returned Rodriguez who is the most comparable. Wasn't he ranked in the 60s or something?

[Jonn]

Jim Bowden ‏@JimBowden_ESPN

Toronto Blue Jays have had internal discussions about possible interest in acquiring Carlos Beltran if the... http://es.pn/29JqxLy

 

Beltran doesn't want to play here. Hes made it clear hes not playing on turf anymore than he has too.

[Jonn]

Chapman is going to get a lot more than you think, I'll leave it at that.

 

But I don't think its going to be as much as you think either. In these trade situations teams always look at comparable trades. Especially what the Reds got in return becomes a negotiating tool.