GDT - Rays @ Blue Jays (3/3) - The End of Days Thread

[nextyear]

Why is Goins batting? lol

 

Just mailing this game in.

 

They want everyone to understand why he needs to be sent down to AAA just in case some fans still support him.

[thatoneguy]

What a f***ing managing joke. f*** right off, no reason not to pinch hit that useless f*** here. It's like they don't give a f***.

 

They don't. It's a complete middle finger.

 

Who was saying this season can't be anything but a win-win at the beginning of the season? Glory? Yeah, no, this is Atlantis right now and there's no way to pull it out of the ocean.

[glory]

They don't. It's a complete middle finger.

 

Who was saying this season can't be anything but a win-win at the beginning of the season? Glory? Yeah, no, this is Atlantis right now and there's no way to pull it out of the ocean.

 

Yep that was me.

 

Make the playoffs again? Good.

 

Stink up the joint forcing the team to trade vets at the deadline to help the lifeless farm system? Good.

 

I guess the one downside is if the team does nothing and then finishes sub-.500 or around .500 anyway, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

[thatoneguy]

Yep that was me.

 

Make the playoffs again? Good.

 

Stink up the joint forcing the team to trade vets at the deadline to help the lifeless farm system? Good.

 

I guess the one downside is if the team does nothing and then finishes sub-.500 or around .500 anyway, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

 

Shatkins better have a motherf***ing plan for this.

[John_Havok]

Shatkins better have a motherf***ing plan for this.

 

No trade clauses can f*** the best laid plans right in the poop-chute.

[Belliss101]

At this point, I'm on the #Pray4Losses train.

[intentional wok]

It really is remarkable how no one can do anything in this lineup. I mean, yeah, another year older, but this is on another level.

[Belliss101]

No trade clauses can f*** the best laid plans right in the poop-chute.

 

I find it hard to believe Jose or Edwin will decline trades to contenders and be happy taking a back seat to September call ups getting the playing time

[Praxis]

I know Tulo has a no trade, but surely if he watches JB/EE leave and things are still this bad he'll want out and accept a move?

 

He has value to some teams I'm sure.

[Terminator]

I find it hard to believe Jose or Edwin will decline trades to contenders and be happy taking a back seat to September call ups getting the playing time

 

EE will demand a trade after Jimmy Paredes steals his spot in the lineup anyway. That's one no-trade clause we won't need to worry about.

[Praxis]

It really is remarkable how no one can do anything in this lineup. I mean, yeah, another year older, but this is on another level.

 

Don't do this IW. If you lose hope, we are lost.

[Dylan]

Losing again?

 

And Os win again

[dineke]

At this point, I'm on the #Pray4Losses train.

 

#TankNation I'm ready

[bones10]

Why do people hate Pillar so much? His bat is not THAT bad.

 

Goins and Thole are aids tho

 

Pillars not too bad, I dont trust him in any situation to come with a clutch hit though.

[Praxis]

EE will demand a trade after Jimmy Paredes steals his spot in the lineup anyway. That's one no-trade clause we won't need to worry about.

 

Seriously dude, this is f***ing gold. I think I've lol'd at almost every post you've made tonight.

 

I appreciate all the laughs I can get right now.

[Belliss101]

EE will demand a trade after Jimmy Paredes steals his spot in the lineup anyway. That's one no-trade clause we won't need to worry about.

 

Jimmy " The Super Fly" Paredes

[Hal Johnson]

I'm pretty sure I have Wilner figured out. I believe he is genuinely just as pissed off as many people on this board get when the Jays lose, and when they play poorly. He wants to lash out, say so and so sucks, etc., but he can't. It doesn't fit his "character". So, he becomes passive aggressive, and deliberately obtuse on Twitter and on his show (more so than usual) as a way to lash out.

 

Maybe this isn't news to people here, but I haven't had that much exposure to the guy. He's annoying as all hell, but kind of fascinating in a behavioral psychology kind of way. LOL!

[Governator]

Edwin

Jose

Thole

Dick

 

all gone before next year. Most likely before all star game for some of them.

+

Cecil

Storen

Saunders

Smoak

[ProfessionalAtBat]

I have faith in Shapiro. I'll take the collapse, no other choice and watch him build a substainable winning team

[intentional wok]

Don't do this IW. If you lose hope, we are lost.

 

I will be the hero this board needs; the candle in the darkest night.

[BTS]

Yep that was me.

 

Make the playoffs again? Good.

 

Stink up the joint forcing the team to trade vets at the deadline to help the lifeless farm system? Good.

 

I guess the one downside is if the team does nothing and then finishes sub-.500 or around .500 anyway, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

 

Hovering around 0.500 would be brutal. There are a ton of pieces hitting free agency in the offseason, and letting them all walk for nothing while also missing the playoffs would be tough to recover from.

 

Encarnacion, Bautista, Dickey, Saunders, Cecil, Storen, Smoak, Floyd is a lot of wins to replace, especially with $85M already committed to five guys (Tulo, Martin, Donaldson, Estrada, Happ), only one of which is above average. It really is for the best that they sell if it looks like the playoffs aren't going to happen. They need assets to actually field a team in 2017.

 

It would be nice if there was a way to rid themselves of Tulo and Martin and create clean slate in the offseason, but that's probably a pipe dream.

[Terminator]

The key moving forward is player development. That's how the Giants are good all the time.

 

Seems like every year they pluck a Panik or Duffy from the minors, plug them in the lineup, and get 3+ WAR out of them.

[o2cui2i]

+

Cecil

Storen

Saunders

Smoak

 

that's a pretty good start to a rebuild already. Trick is trading mid season so we are not just letting everyone go. Saunders, EE, jose have value maybe Smoak, the rest are DFA candidates.

[glory]

Hovering around 0.500 would be brutal. There are a ton of pieces hitting free agency in the offseason, and letting them all walk for nothing while also missing the playoffs would be tough to recover from.

 

Encarnacion, Bautista, Dickey, Saunders, Cecil, Storen, Smoak, Floyd is a lot of wins to replace, especially with $85M already committed to five guys (Tulo, Martin, Donaldson, Estrada, Happ), only one of which is above average. It really is for the best that they sell if it looks like the playoffs aren't going to happen. They need assets to actually field a team in 2017.

 

It would be nice if there was a way to rid themselves of Tulo and Martin and create clean slate in the offseason, but that's probably a pipe dream.

 

Agreed. I'm not sure what we can get for Dickey, Smoak, Saunders, etc, but you would think the Jays would get a few players with upside for JB and EE, and that will help in 2017 and beyond.

 

I will not shed a tear if this team collapses. AA made this bed, and someone else has to clean it up. I'd rather start the clean up now and make the down period as short as possible.

[o2cui2i]

The key moving forward is player development. That's how the Giants are good all the time.

 

Seems like every year they pluck a Panik or Duffy from the minors, plug them in the lineup, and get 3+ WAR out of them.

 

last time Cards were in WS I think had something like 17 of 25 players from their own farm system

[o2cui2i]

Hovering around 0.500 would be brutal. There are a ton of pieces hitting free agency in the offseason, and letting them all walk for nothing while also missing the playoffs would be tough to recover from.

 

Encarnacion, Bautista, Dickey, Saunders, Cecil, Storen, Smoak, Floyd is a lot of wins to replace, especially with $85M already committed to five guys (Tulo, Martin, Donaldson, Estrada, Happ), only one of which is above average. It really is for the best that they sell if it looks like the playoffs aren't going to happen. They need assets to actually field a team in 2017.

 

It would be nice if there was a way to rid themselves of Tulo and Martin and create clean slate in the offseason, but that's probably a pipe dream.

 

absolutely... better to bite the bullet this year and unload so we get some value back. being 15 games back in the end of june would get it done.

[Terminator]

I mean the team isn't in THAT dire of a situation. Farm systems can be turned around fast.

 

Only starter we lose is Dickey. We lose some RP. We lose Bautista, EE and I believe Smoak and Saunders.

 

This is who we have coming back next year:

C- Martin

1B- ???

2B- Travis

SS- Tulo

3B- Donaldson

LF- ???

CF- Pillar

RF- Pompey (?)

DH- ???

 

That's not complete s***. We should have some payroll flexibility too with all those guys coming off the books. With some shrewd moves we could be alright.

 

It's not pretty but not all hope is lost. s*** not all hope is lost for this season either.

[bones10]

I mean the team isn't in THAT dire of a situation. Farm systems can be turned around fast.

 

Only starter we lose is Dickey. We lose some RP. We lose Bautista, EE and I believe Smoak and Saunders.

 

This is who we have coming back next year:

C- Martin

1B- ???

2B- Travis

SS- Tulo

3B- Donaldson

LF- ???

CF- Pillar

RF- Pompey (?)

DH- ???

 

That's not complete s***. We should have some payroll flexibility too with all those guys coming off the books. With some shrewd moves we could be alright.

 

It's not pretty but not all hope is lost. s*** not all hope is lost for this season either.

 

Martin finish this year with 1.5 WAR each, then what?

[BTS]

Agreed. I'm not sure what we can get for Dickey, Smoak, Saunders, etc, but you would think the Jays would get a few players with upside for JB and EE, and that will help in 2017 and beyond.

 

I will not shed a tear if this team collapses. AA made this bed, and someone else has to clean it up. I'd rather start the clean up now and make the down period as short as possible.

 

It's going to be an interesting 2017. With all the free agents gone, the team looks something like:

 

C - Martin

1B -

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

CF - Pillar

RF - Pompey

LF -

DH -

 

Bench -

 

SP - Stroman

SP - Sanchez

SP - Happ

SP - Estrada

SP - Hutchison

 

BP - Osuna, Biagini, Loup, Girodo

 

That's a bad team with two albatross contracts, a lot of holes, and about $100M committed. If things go south this year, you actually have a decision looming about whether you want to trade or extend Donaldson.

[500LevelSTH]

Got 12 games in row against NYY and BOS home and away each, right after twins series. I dont think Gibby makes it thru the next 16 games.