Does the StroShow blow?

[Sorrow]

On a whole his number don't look too bad this year. His last six starts are horrendous. 21-13 K-BB, 4.13 xFIP, 52 hits in 35.2 innings. I'm all for giving him a shot to keep going, but at some point, regardless of what FIP and xFIP say you need to bring in someone who isn't five base runners away from a WHIP of 2.

[intentional wok]

Agreed. He f***ing sucks right now compared to what he could be, but he still is valuable. And I think he is going to figure it out. Right now he is batting practice.

 

He is pretty much batting practice in his last three starts (BOS, BOS, BAL). Missing with his breaking pitches and with not enough movement on his fastball to avoid solid contact. He got two Ks last night on caught looking oopsies (Alvarez and Davis, I think). Several outs were stung right into Pillar's glove too. The damage would have been much, much worse had Machado not blundered with the two-out tag-up in the first inning. And, of course, another two-strike home run because hitters simply will generally not bite on his breaking stuff. In fairness, he got a bit unlucky in that two-run inning with unplayable ground balls and induced lots of weak contact in the clean 4th (his first clean inning since Minnesota? Someone confirm. If there were any in between last night and @MIN it can't be many).

[THANOS]

Excellent article here on how to fix Stroman.

 

http://jaysfromthecouch.com/2016/06/09/pitch-execution-future-progress-toronto-blue-jays-starter-marcus-stroman-mlb-analysis/

 

Cliff notes:

- Scrap Cutter and Change-up

- Reduce Sinker usage

- Increase Slider, Curve, 4SM usage

[THANOS]

Hoping for a turnaround today.

 

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 9 K, 1 BB

[Grant77]

Hoping for a turnaround today.

 

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 9 K, 1 BB

 

Good luck with that...

[Daniel Labude]

Excellent article here on how to fix Stroman.

 

http://jaysfromthecouch.com/2016/06/09/pitch-execution-future-progress-toronto-blue-jays-starter-marcus-stroman-mlb-analysis/

 

Cliff notes:

- Scrap Cutter and Change-up

- Reduce Sinker usage

- Increase Slider, Curve, 4SM usage

 

Means nothing if Stroman doesn't do it. I heard he has been focusing on fixing his location on pitches and making his curve and slider more like 2 distinct pitches. Let's hope that gets him on track and he can lead us to a win today!

[THANOS]

Means nothing if Stroman doesn't do it. I heard he has been focusing on fixing his location on pitches and making his curve and slider more like 2 distinct pitches. Let's hope that gets him on track and he can lead us to a win today!

 

He seems pretty stubborn and reverts back to the large sinker usage quite frequently, even after experiencing success using more 4SM and working all 4 quadrants of the zone (in his start against Tampa and LA).

 

I really hope someone is able to get through to him. Tabler revealing his sources' opinions on how to fix him tell me that the organization knows what's up, but Stroman has yet to buy into it.

[intentional wok]

He seems pretty stubborn and reverts back to the large sinker usage quite frequently, even after experiencing success using more 4SM and working all 4 quadrants of the zone (in his start against Tampa and LA).

 

I really hope someone is able to get through to him. Tabler revealing his sources' opinions on how to fix him tell me that the organization knows what's up, but Stroman has yet to buy into it.

 

What are his sources' opinions?

[baloojayz]

Shoot early start?

Only 3 strikeouts for Stroman so far...Dang I'm guessing he's still pitching to contact?

[HERPDERP]

Its the Phillies. He should be dominating them.

[THANOS]

What are his sources' opinions?

 

He was on BC saying that "his sources in the organization" were saying that Stroman should be using less 2SM, far more high 4SM, and mixing in more curves and sliders. He went on to say that the spin of the sinker (off the side of his hand) could be affecting the spin of the breaking pitches (which should spin over the top). It's a pretty good interview, I'd recommend checking it out.

[Stangstag]

He was on BC saying that "his sources in the organization" were saying that Stroman should be using less 2SM, far more high 4SM, and mixing in more curves and sliders. He went on to say that the spin of the sinker (off the side of his hand) could be affecting the spin of the breaking pitches (which should spin over the top). It's a pretty good interview, I'd recommend checking it out.

 

And then Buck said that Stroman told him he would be using less sinkers and 2-seams, but that he is going to continue using the sinker because "he likes being a sinkerball pitcher"

[Frenchsoup]

I appreciate you Marcus Stroman.

[HERPDERP]

He's too stubborn and arrogant for his own good.

[THANOS]

And then Buck said that Stroman told him he would be using less sinkers and 2-seams, but that he is going to continue using the sinker because "he likes being a sinkerball pitcher"

 

Can't blame anyone but himself then. Yet again today, we watched him throw a 2 strike 2SM, and he got crushed for a HR for doing it. This was a good start overall, but, against the Phillies, I can't really say if it was encouraging or not.

[Spanky99]

Still a very good line... 7 IP 6 hits 2 ER 1BB and 6K's

 

We'll see how he does against Baltimore.

[THANOS]

Still a very good line... 7 IP 6 hits 2 ER 1BB and 6K's

 

We'll see how he does against Baltimore.

 

I didn't watch a lot of the game, how did he actually look? Was it the same Stroman as the past few starts only with more K's/less hard contact due to us facing Philly, or did he look different?

[KevinGregg]

I didn't watch a lot of the game, how did he actually look? Was it the same Stroman as the past few starts only with more K's/less hard contact due to us facing Philly, or did he look different?

 

He looked the same. Curve might have been working a little better than usual. Command was still off. Approach was still 2SM heavy

[Spanky99]

I didn't watch a lot of the game, how did he actually look? Was it the same Stroman as the past few starts only with more K's/less hard contact due to us facing Philly, or did he look different?

 

What he said, spun the ball a lot more. ^^^

 

He made two mistakes with the 2sm'er and paid for it with a double and Dinger, he looked good to me, in concerns of command, but his mistakes were nailed.

[THANOS]

He looked the same. Curve might have been working a little better than usual. Command was still off. Approach was still 2SM heavy

 

Awful, he'll never learn.

[THANOS]

What he said, spun the ball a lot more. ^^^

 

Good to hear that the curve/slider looked better, but terrible to hear about the 2SM heavy approach continuing.

 

I'll expect the worse in Baltimore.

[Spanky99]

Awful, he'll never learn.

 

Far from awful, we'll see against the O's.

[THANOS]

Far from awful, we'll see against the O's.

 

Well the overall results from the approach, not the approach itself, though I do find it boring.

[Spanky99]

Well the overall results from the approach, not the approach itself, though I do find it boring.

 

He went up with some 4sm'ers as Big Cecil and I saw, it wasn't all that bad, problem is, it was against the Phillies. He pitched well.

[THANOS]

He went up with some 4sm'ers as Big Cecil and I saw, it wasn't all that bad, problem is, it was against the Phillies. He pitched well.

 

That's encouraging at least. I just wish he wasn't so "live or die" with the 2SM. I can't see that approach working against most average-great offenses.

[Spanky99]

That's encouraging at least. I just wish he wasn't so "live or die" with the 2SM. I can't see that approach working against most average-great offenses.

 

Not many do. The assistant to Pete Walker and Gibby admitted as much prior to the game.

[THANOS]

Not many do. The assistant to Pete Walker and Gibby admitted as much prior to the game.

 

So, basically, it's all on Stroman for any success/ineffectiveness that comes out of that approach at this point?

[KevinGregg]

So, basically, it's all on Stroman for any success/ineffectiveness that comes out of that approach at this point?

 

If Stroman fails with this approach it's still the team's fault for letting him stick with it for so long. The kid needs some damn guidance.

[Spanky99]

So, basically, it's all on Stroman for any success/ineffectiveness that comes out of that approach at this point?

 

No, that's why he spun so many curves today. It worked in the past, he also used the 4SF to get K's with that curve, something's happening. Time will tell, they obviously want him to use the sinker as it works when guys aren't sitting on it, so....

[THANOS]

If Stroman fails with this approach it's still the team's fault for letting him stick with it for so long. The kid needs some damn guidance.

 

Well that earlier post explaining that Stroman himself wants to be a sinkerball pitcher despite being told to use it much less, so he may be too stubborn to convince without a demotion, and he's pitching good enough to stay, so that's unlikely.