General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[puphood]

Take a deep breath. Votto would make for a very interesting lineup addition for sure. Though I like it I don't see a Votto deal as Atkins/Sapiro signed Smoak for about 1/2 the cost per year of Votto, and Smoak is keeping the bench warm while they hope for the stars to realign for him. Add to this the FO haven't seriously attempted to sign any of their high end franchise players this spring and in all seriousness will likely loose them to FA. In July they didn't signed any for sure relief help. This front office would rather play the slot machines of buy cheap and hope for the stars to realign which has admittedly worked with Grilli, maybe Benoit/Liriano but not so much with Morales, Chavez........Votto isn't in the equation...this FO is to cheap and love to play the penny slots

[sdyment]

Take a deep breath. Votto would make for a very interesting lineup addition for sure. Though I like it I don't see a Votto deal as Atkins/Sapiro signed Smoak for about 1/2 the cost per year of Votto, and Smoak is keeping the bench warm while they hope for the stars to realign for him. Add to this the FO haven't seriously attempted to sign any of their high end franchise players this spring and in all seriousness will likely loose them to FA. In July they didn't signed any for sure relief help. This front office would rather play the slot machines of buy cheap and hope for the stars to realign which has admittedly worked with Grilli, maybe Benoit/Liriano but not so much with Morales, Chavez........Votto isn't in the equation...this FO is to cheap and love to play the penny slots

 

...sigh...

 

isn't this horse dead yet?

[Brownie19]

Take a deep breath. Votto would make for a very interesting lineup addition for sure. Though I like it I don't see a Votto deal as Atkins/Sapiro signed Smoak for about 1/2 the cost per year of Votto, and Smoak is keeping the bench warm while they hope for the stars to realign for him. Add to this the FO haven't seriously attempted to sign any of their high end franchise players this spring and in all seriousness will likely loose them to FA. In July they didn't signed any for sure relief help. This front office would rather play the slot machines of buy cheap and hope for the stars to realign which has admittedly worked with Grilli, maybe Benoit/Liriano but not so much with Morales, Chavez........Votto isn't in the equation...this FO is to cheap and love to play the penny slots

 

That there is turrrrible math sir.

[fatcowxlive]

If we make and lose the wild card game

 

Is this season a failure?

If we don't win the division it's a faliure in my eyes.

[Pendleton]

Take a deep breath. Votto would make for a very interesting lineup addition for sure. Though I like it I don't see a Votto deal as Atkins/Sapiro signed Smoak for about 1/2 the cost per year of Votto, and Smoak is keeping the bench warm while they hope for the stars to realign for him. Add to this the FO haven't seriously attempted to sign any of their high end franchise players this spring and in all seriousness will likely loose them to FA. In July they didn't signed any for sure relief help. This front office would rather play the slot machines of buy cheap and hope for the stars to realign which has admittedly worked with Grilli, maybe Benoit/Liriano but not so much with Morales, Chavez........Votto isn't in the equation...this FO is to cheap and love to play the penny slots

 

4+4 = 22 ?

[intentional wok]

Yeah it would be disappointing.

 

I agree that a contender not at least making a division series is a failure. But a team with Toronto's talent should at least get to the CS. And yes, I realize the crapshoot nature of the playoffs.

 

I think by objective measures a division championship is a successful season though. My opinion might change if the AL East three-way persists. Hard to see any of the teams being legit failures ifif they put together 93-95 wins each. Not unlike last year's NL Wild Card teams, who both got at least 97 wins.

[G-Snarls]

Win division or win a wild card game and advance

 

Otherwise I am very disappointed

[Brownie19]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-ridiculousness-of-aaron-sanchezs-sinker/

 

sorry if that's been posted yet.....only 3 RH batters have pulled a ball in the air off Sanchez's sinker this year. That's unreal.

[Governator]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-ridiculousness-of-aaron-sanchezs-sinker/

 

sorry if that's been posted yet.....only 3 RH batters have pulled a ball in the air off Sanchez's sinker this year. That's unreal.

 

 

That's a bit of a reach for a stat, but cool nonetheless.

[glory]

Make the ALDS and I'll be happy. The playoffs are a crapshoot. Just don't play the one and done game and lose. That would suck.

[G-Snarls]

Pillar back tonight!

[G-Snarls]

[Angrioter]

 

Thanks God... At least he can catch the ball

[Pendleton]

Great news on Pillar, hope the injury time off didn't affect his hold on the Gold Glove award he so rightfully deserves.

[Jonn]

Great news on Pillar, hope the injury time off didn't affect his hold on the Gold Glove award he so rightfully deserves.

 

Adam Jones got that s*** on the lock

[Daniel Labude]

No thanks.

 

I see zero surplus value in Joey Votto. I love Canadians, but at that price I'll keep the prospects.

 

Votto is exactly what this team needs. A LHH that can actually hit, has a great eye, and is locked up for awhile so Smoak can take a hike. Donaldson, Votto, Edwin, Travis, etc for next year would still be a contender with our pitching....plus we will have a bunch of money to cover his salary.

[Governator]

Votto is exactly what this team needs. A LHH that can actually hit, has a great eye, and is locked up for awhile so Smoak can take a hike. Donaldson, Votto, Edwin, Travis, etc for next year would still be a contender with our pitching....plus we will have a bunch of money to cover his salary.

 

Things could be different 7 years from now. $25MM when he's 39.

[GreekFatAss]

Things could be different 7 years from now. $25MM when he's 39.

 

Also, Travis, Sanchez, Stroman, Osuna and Pillar are all making ~$2.5 million this year and next. It won't stay that way for long...

[Daniel Labude]

Things could be different 7 years from now. $25MM when he's 39.

 

Yeah, but at some point the ownership needs to grow a pair and open the wallets.

[Brownie19]

Things could be different 7 years from now. $25MM when he's 39.

 

Who gives a f*** about 2023...flags fly forever.

[Jonn]

Honestly 25M in 2023 might not even be that bad.

 

When Harper, Machado, and Kershaw are making half a billion probably not.

[Atothe]

Yeah, but at some point the ownership needs to grow a pair and open the wallets.

 

150 million dollar payroll isn't opening the wallet?

[saskjayfan]

Things could be different 7 years from now. $25MM when he's 39.

 

7 years from now 25 mil might be 15 mil in today's dollars and votto might still be killing it.

[Caper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asf5Exg94NI

 

Votto is sending wardrobe hints he wants to come home.... **since '14.

[Seanie]

Yeah, but at some point the ownership needs to grow a pair and open the wallets.

 

Because it worked so well for the Angels (etc.).

[Caper]

Because it worked so well for the Angels (etc.).

 

The bigger problem for the Angels is that they absolutely decimated their farm system trying to contend. Not just the Hamilton and Puljos contract.

[puphood]

...sigh...

 

isn't this horse dead yet?

Not yet. No left hander in the bull pen worth sending out in high leverage situations in the 7th.

[Stangstag]

The bigger problem for the Angels is that they absolutely decimated their farm system trying to contend. Not just the Hamilton and Puljos contract.

 

Which is exactly what all the "fans" want us to do. OMG this is the last year of our window!!!! Trade all the prospects because this is our LAST CHANCE

[Caper]

Which is exactly what all the "fans" want us to do. OMG this is the last year of our window!!!! Trade all the prospects because this is our LAST CHANCE

 

Not really. A potential Votto deal would supposedly cost not that much in terms of prospects.

[glory]

Not really. A potential Votto deal would supposedly cost not that much in terms of prospects.

 

Even if that were true, how likely is it that this front office would acquire a player signed for that much until he's 40? They don't even want to sign Edwin and Jose because of their ages. They obviously place value on aging, as they should.

 

I mean, it would be awesome to have Votto in the lineup for the next few years, but it's the last few years of his contract that are the problem, including a huge buyout at the end of it.