General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[fatcowxlive]

Guys, Wade LeBlanc really f***ing sucks.

People forgot about Scott Diamond who showed his skills up here in that one appearance!! This is nothing, cash may help. More than this guy

[intentional wok]

Ceciliani getting the start in RF today. Travis in the leadoff spot.

 

I've always known placing the best hitters as high up as possible was the best strategy, but ever since Gibby put Donaldson in the 2-slot last year I can't help but be completely grossed out by any 1-2 combos of speedy guy/other guy before getting to the good stuff. Gibby should really stop randomly doing it.

[Hal Johnson]

I've always known placing the best hitters as high up as possible was the best strategy, but ever since Gibby put Donaldson in the 2-slot last year I can't help but be completely grossed out by any 1-2 combos of speedy guy/other guy before getting to the good stuff. Gibby should really stop randomly doing it.

 

I think it's his compromise between his old school mindset, and new school pressure.

[intentional wok]

I think it's his compromise between his old school mindset, and new school pressure.

 

Maybe I'll compromise on lunch. Maybe I'll mix my soup with my burrito. Hopefully it holds together! Soup's been doing a good job on Wednesdays and burrito is 1 for 5 in 7 PAs on sunny June afternoons.

[Daniel Labude]

When Sanchez gets moved to the BP are we running an 8 man pen or will someone get cut? Girodo's spot will be Cecil's soon and Biagini is here for the year. It could also mean someone is available for trade such as Floyd / Chavez / Storen? I believe Osuna/Sanchez are the only arms that can be optioned.

 

Don't forget Morales will be up here as well. I still don't think Sanchez will be moved to the pen unless there is a dramatic drop off and fatigue or soreness is the reason.

[intentional wok]

Burrito Soup

 

goddamn it

[Hal Johnson]

Maybe I'll compromise on lunch. Maybe I'll mix my soup with my burrito. Hopefully it holds together! Soup's been doing a good job on Wednesdays and burrito is 1 for 5 in 7 PAs on sunny June afternoons.

 

Burrito Soup

[G-Snarls]

Don't forget Morales will be up here as well. I still don't think Sanchez will be moved to the pen unless there is a dramatic drop off and fatigue or soreness is the reason.

 

Yeah, Gibby's stance has softened a bit

 

It's seems no longer 100% sure moving Sanchez to the pen will happen automatically

 

Honestly - if he's still pitching well in Aug/Sep, AND they're in playoff contention AND he looks/feels OK, they HAVE to keep him in the rotation

[THANOS]

Lol what the f***

 

8.53 K/9, 2.11 BB/9, 2.51 FIP

 

Rich Hill in 2015 before his call-up:

 

8.07 K/9, 2.51 BB/9, 3.59 FIP

 

It's not unreasonable to expect great contribution from him if we called him up, the peripherals are great.

[G-Snarls]

Sanchez leads the starting rotation in FIP (3.36) and WAR (1.9). He also leads in SIERA.

 

Estrada has a better ERA

[BTS]

It's not unreasonable to expect great contribution from him if we called him up, the peripherals are great.

 

Yes it is.

[THANOS]

Yes it is.

 

Again, the peripherals are great, explain how it's unreasonable.

[Brownie19]

When Sanchez gets moved to the BP are we running an 8 man pen or will someone get cut? Girodo's spot will be Cecil's soon and Biagini is here for the year. It could also mean someone is available for trade such as Floyd / Chavez / Storen? I believe Osuna/Sanchez are the only arms that can be optioned.

 

I suspect either Floyd will have reached his expiry date - or we'll ship Biagini back to SF. He's good depth, but I'm not sure he'll ever be anything special anyway.

[Atothe]

Again, the peripherals are great, explain how it's unreasonable.

 

Cause it's the minors and its Wade Leblanc. Likelihood of him being successful is slim.

[BTS]

Again, the peripherals are great, explain how it's unreasonable.

 

He sits 87 on his fastball and has been terrible in the majors. AAA is littered with 30+ year olds who dominate the younger competition but are replacement-level MLB talent.

[Governator]

He sits 87 on his fastball and has been terrible in the majors. AAA is littered with 30+ year olds who dominate the younger competition but are replacement-level MLB talent.

 

Well we don't have many of them and we have no one behind Hutch for a spot start or two.

[Krylian]

When Sanchez gets moved to the BP are we running an 8 man pen or will someone get cut? Girodo's spot will be Cecil's soon and Biagini is here for the year. It could also mean someone is available for trade such as Floyd / Chavez / Storen? I believe Osuna/Sanchez are the only arms that can be optioned.

 

I'm not willing to commit to that yet.

 

He's struggled of late. And yes, I understand SSS...but I'm just saying...it looks like hitters are adjusting. Can he re-adjust back. I hope he can...but there's a reason he's only made his ML debut this season. Let's see if he can right his ship.

[Hal Johnson]

 

I wonder whose bag it was.

[L54]

Grow up Hal.

[intentional wok]

Cut him some slack. Joanne made him sleep on the couch last night.

[Grant77]

 

I wonder whose bag it was.

 

Souns like he needs a body break.

[Krylian]

That's one tough bag. Must be Pillar's.

[intentional wok]

That's one tough bag. Must be Pillar's.

 

But not the toughest.

 

See: Jeff Bagwell

 

He doesn't bag often, but when he does he does it well.

[L54]

I'd let Joanne make me sleep on the couch any night of the week.

[GD]

8.53 K/9, 2.11 BB/9, 2.51 FIP

 

Rich Hill in 2015 before his call-up:

 

8.07 K/9, 2.51 BB/9, 3.59 FIP

 

It's not unreasonable to expect great contribution from him if we called him up, the peripherals are great.

 

Jose Bautista in 2009 September: 139 wRC+

 

Juan Francisco in 2014 May: 181 wRC+

[THANOS]

Jose Bautista in 2009 September: 139 wRC+

 

Juan Francisco in 2014 May: 181 wRC+

 

All I'm saying is that both Hill and LeBlanc are soft tossing lefties, and LeBlanc seemed to develop strikeout ability this season, so he was worth keeping for depth purposes at least. It's not like he performed like Diamond or Wolf (last season) where neither had strikeout ability.

[Governator]

I'm not willing to commit to that yet.

 

He's struggled of late. And yes, I understand SSS...but I'm just saying...it looks like hitters are adjusting. Can he re-adjust back. I hope he can...but there's a reason he's only made his ML debut this season. Let's see if he can right his ship.

 

Oh I agree, but he's stuck on the 25 man roster regardless because he's a rule 5 which is all I meant by here's here for the year.

[King]

All I'm saying is that both Hill and LeBlanc are soft tossing lefties, and LeBlanc seemed to develop strikeout ability this season, so he was worth keeping for depth purposes at least. It's not like he performed like Diamond or Wolf (last season) where neither had strikeout ability.

 

2008 AAA SwStr: 11.7%

2009 AAA SwStr: 11.4%

2011 AAA SwStr: 9.3%

2012 AAA SwStr: 10.5%

2013 AAA SwStr: 11.1%

2014 AAA SwStr: 11.9%

2016 AAA SwStr: 10.1%

 

2008 AAA K%: 23.7%

2009 AAA K%: 19.1%

2011 AAA K%: 20.7%

2012 AAA K%: 22.6%

2013 AAA K%: 21.9%

2014 AAA K%: 21.6%

2016 AAA K%: 23%

[GD]

All I'm saying is that both Hill and LeBlanc are soft tossing lefties, and LeBlanc seemed to develop strikeout ability this season, so he was worth keeping for depth purposes at least. It's not like he performed like Diamond or Wolf (last season) where neither had strikeout ability.

 

Have you ever actually watched Rich Hill pitch?

[BTS]

All I'm saying is that both Hill and LeBlanc are soft tossing lefties, and LeBlanc seemed to develop strikeout ability this season, so he was worth keeping for depth purposes at least. It's not like he performed like Diamond or Wolf (last season) where neither had strikeout ability.

 

Rich Hill is a former top prospect who sits 90 from the left side, has a wipeout curveball that he commands in the zone, and had his career derailed by injuries. Wade LeBlanc is a junkballing 87 mph replacement level hack.