General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Jimcanuck]

Wait why is Martin batting 4th???

 

Omg and WTF even!!!

 

I like this. Martin has been swinging the bat well.... but s*** luck.

[Jimcanuck]

We should trade for Bryce Harper too

 

That would cost Sanchez. Are you kidding?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

No. Please stop

 

No why ??? Why don't you! Both teams get a boost from the Trades based on needs at this time!

 

My reasoning and points are as valid as any you have given!

 

I have given better reasons then yours in this discussion as well too as to why

 

Both teams Stand pat, nobody wins!!!

[nextyear]

Wait why is Martin batting 4th???

 

Omg and WTF even!!!

 

The Blue Jays would be better off with Travis hitting cleanup than Martin; Devon Travis has been having good at bats, whereas Martin is "hit and miss" (both figuratively and literally).

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I like this. Martin has been swinging the bat well.... but s*** luck.

 

Ok Jim, I trust you!!!

 

Beaver Tail goes Boom!!!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The Blue Jays would be better off with Travis hitting cleanup than Martin; Devon Travis has been having good at bats, whereas Martin is "hit and miss" (both figuratively and literally).

 

Jim says it will be Fine, so let's roll with it !!! But if he is wrong public whooping ... Lol

[Rusty_Savage]

That would cost Sanchez. Are you kidding?

 

Sanchez, Bautista Dickey and Thole for Harper, Giolito and Papelbon

 

What do you think bbbb?

[Cyborg]

Smoak hurting?

 

Gibbons finally realized he shouldn't be in the lineup vs Lefties.

 

Wait why is Martin batting 4th???

 

Omg and WTF even!!!

 

More likely an off-day after playing 21 straight--and to get EE some 1B time, as they have a NL series with Philly next week with no DH for 2 games.

 

I like this. Martin has been swinging the bat well.... but s*** luck.

 

Its just because Donaldosn is DHing because of his thumb so Smoak has nowhere to play...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Sanchez, Bautista Dickey and Thole for Harper, Giolito and Papelbon

 

What do you think bbbb?

 

Your Rusty and a *******!!!

Or

I offended one of your boyfriends and now you wanna be a Hero!!!!

 

Buzz Buzz Buzz! Try thinking for yourself sometime, you may find it very liberating !!!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Its just because Donaldosn is DHing because of his thumb so Smoak has nowhere to play...

 

Cyborg that's illogical !!!

 

Lol

[Rusty_Savage]

Your Rusty and a *******!!!

Or

I offended one of your boyfriends and now you wanna be a Hero!!!!

 

Buzz Buzz Buzz! Try thinking for yourself sometime, you may find it very liberating !!!

 

Are you calling me a whore?

[Terminator]

Will Matt Dominguez get a hit this season? My guess is he'll get sent down before he gets one so no.

[Pendleton]

Will Matt Dominguez get a hit this season? My guess is he'll get sent down before he gets one so no.

 

Made nice contact on a liner to right center in his first AB today. I'll take the over

[VE2OH]

what has Goins done to be treated so badly. Last two games double and home run last game only 1 of only 4 Jays to get a hit and they are missing his glove. All the balls Travis lets buy likely would have been stopped by Goins.

He didn't deserve to be benched by a call up from the minors today.

[jays4life19]

what has Goins done to be treated so badly. Last two games double and home run last game only 1 of only 4 Jays to get a hit and they are missing his glove. All the balls Travis lets buy likely would have been stopped by Goins.

He didn't deserve to be benched by a call up from the minors today.

 

Can Ryan Goins stick?

 

(Welcome to the board)

[VE2OH]

Can Ryan Goins stick?

 

(Welcome to the board)

 

Lets turn that around,

Can Barney stick or Tolu for that matter.

[Stangstag]

what has Goins done to be treated so badly. Last two games double and home run last game only 1 of only 4 Jays to get a hit and they are missing his glove. All the balls Travis lets buy likely would have been stopped by Goins.

He didn't deserve to be benched by a call up from the minors today.

 

Delete account

[Jimcanuck]

Lets turn that around,

Can Barney stick or Tolu for that matter.

 

Grow up, Gruber

[jays4life19]

lol.

 

He's new...give him a break.

[King]

what has Goins done to be treated so badly. Last two games double and home run last game only 1 of only 4 Jays to get a hit and they are missing his glove. All the balls Travis lets buy likely would have been stopped by Goins.

He didn't deserve to be benched by a call up from the minors today.

 

Welcome! Goins despite his nice couple of days is not a major league hitter and that will ultimately be his downfall.

[Pendleton]

what has Goins done to be treated so badly. Last two games double and home run last game only 1 of only 4 Jays to get a hit and they are missing his glove. All the balls Travis lets buy likely would have been stopped by Goins.

He didn't deserve to be benched by a call up from the minors today.

 

A two game sample size doesn't really mean anything, Goins is not a major league caliber hitter. There's no case to be made for him over Barney when the latter continues to contribute to our surge. Travis is miles ahead of Goins as a hitter as well, and Dominguez played because we needed someone to fill in at 3B.

[Stangstag]

lol.

 

He's new...give him a break.

 

He's trolling

[jays4life19]

He's trolling

 

We don't know that yet. It was his first post.

 

I have brothers who have played ball all their life (including college ball) and they think Ryan Goins is awesome.

[2lowitzki]

Starter

 

Marcus Stroman: C+

 

Looks like many teams (especially teams in the AL EAST) are now figuring out how to hit Stroman's pitches. And he is missing his spot too.. It is really concerning because Stroman is short guy. It is easier to hit a pitches thrown by short pitcher He is trying to pitch lower consistently, but sometimes he pitches too low. He is getting hit hard in May as well.. His Opponents batting average was 0.208 in April, but it is 0.289 in May.

He need to find his spot, and trying to approach every batters differently every time.

 

Marco Estrada: A

 

Some people may say last year was a fluke year for him, but it looks like it is not. Many stats are proving that as well. His WAR (Wins Above Replacement) was 1.8 last year, but right now (about 1/3 of the season), it is already 1.3. He ranks 4th in opponents batting average (0.207), Clayton Kershaw, Drew Pomeranz, Jake Arrieta are the only three guys with lower OBA than Estrada. His fastball averages only 88mph, but it is hard to hit due to it's vertical movement. Among qualified pitchers, he has the best vertical movement with 13.1 inches.. Better than Kershaw (12.4). I know there are still many games to go, but I'm hoping he can pitch consistent and batters can give him a run support

 

JA Happ: A-

 

He became a completely different pitcher from 2014. He recorded quality start in every game this year except one game against the Rays when he got hit hard. His fastball velocity is down compared to 2014, but he started to use more slider and less curveball. The good record shows it is working well for him. I can also see that he is trying to locate his pitches in the lower part of the strike zone as well.

 

Aaron Sanchez: B

 

He is definitely better than his first stint as a starter. His velocity is better, and he can better locate his pitches. The only thing he need to improve is his third pitch. His fastball has great sinking movement, and his curve is getting better. However, it is not enough to get through those batters with only two pitches. He need to develop his changeup which will eventually become his third pitch. It will be better if he can throw one like King Felix or Greinke.

 

RA Dickey: D

 

In April, I could give him F because he was horrible. Looks like he is getting better as season goes on. However, I think his performance need to be more consistent

 

Roberto Osuna: A

 

He is becoming one of the most masterful closers in the league. I don't know if he will convert to the starter or stick to the closer, but I like what he is doing right now.

 

Drew Storen: D-

 

His performance is definitely below parity. Last year, he was good as a closer, but when Papelbon stole his role in the Nats, he went rocky. Unfortunately, that rocky performance is still going on with the Jays. I don't think he can be a set-up or 7th inning guy unless he can prove everyone that he can be better.

 

Jesse Chavez: B-

 

When the Jays traded Liam Hendriks for him, many fans thought we got ripped.. However, looks like he is doing what Hendriks did last year. (Hendriks is doing terrible in the A's) He just need to be consistent and be able to induce some groundballs.

 

Joe Biagini: A

 

Looks like he can end up as the best rule 5 draftee in 2015. (With Joey Rickard in the Orioles is declining significantly) Didn't expect him to be this good. I can see he is consistently pounding lower part of the strike zone with mid 90 fastball and great curveball. If he can continue his performance, he can be one of the best one in the league.

 

Gavin Floyd: B

 

He is doing alright

[Grant77]

Thanks for the recap, good job.

 

I disagree with the grade on R.A. Dickey. We've seen this act before, he struggles in April and then turns it on, sometimes in Cy Young form like last year. He's already got an above average ERA and is giving us innings, so he gets a B- from me so far.

[Terminator]

Thanks for the recap, good job.

 

I disagree with the grade on R.A. Dickey. We've seen this act before, he struggles in April and then turns it on, sometimes in Cy Young form like last year. He's already got an above average ERA and is giving us innings, so he gets a B- from me so far.

 

Yeah and he's basically pitching within expectations.

 

Not sure how Stroman grades out higher when he's expected to do so much more than Dickey and hasn't really.

[sawyerford]

Osuna A+

Biagini A

Floyd B

Chavez B-

Storen C+

 

 

 

 

 

Estrada A+

Happ A

Sacnhez A

Dickey C

Stroman C-

[Daniel Labude]

Starter

 

Marcus Stroman: C+

 

Looks like many teams (especially teams in the AL EAST) are now figuring out how to hit Stroman's pitches. And he is missing his spot too.. It is really concerning because Stroman is short guy. It is easier to hit a pitches thrown by short pitcher He is trying to pitch lower consistently, but sometimes he pitches too low. He is getting hit hard in May as well.. His Opponents batting average was 0.208 in April, but it is 0.289 in May.

He need to find his spot, and trying to approach every batters differently every time.

 

Marco Estrada: A

 

Some people may say last year was a fluke year for him, but it looks like it is not. Many stats are proving that as well. His WAR (Wins Above Replacement) was 1.8 last year, but right now (about 1/3 of the season), it is already 1.3. He ranks 4th in opponents batting average (0.207), Clayton Kershaw, Drew Pomeranz, Jake Arrieta are the only three guys with lower OBA than Estrada. His fastball averages only 88mph, but it is hard to hit due to it's vertical movement. Among qualified pitchers, he has the best vertical movement with 13.1 inches.. Better than Kershaw (12.4). I know there are still many games to go, but I'm hoping he can pitch consistent and batters can give him a run support

 

JA Happ: A-

 

He became a completely different pitcher from 2014. He recorded quality start in every game this year except one game against the Rays when he got hit hard. His fastball velocity is down compared to 2014, but he started to use more slider and less curveball. The good record shows it is working well for him. I can also see that he is trying to locate his pitches in the lower part of the strike zone as well.

 

Aaron Sanchez: B

 

He is definitely better than his first stint as a starter. His velocity is better, and he can better locate his pitches. The only thing he need to improve is his third pitch. His fastball has great sinking movement, and his curve is getting better. However, it is not enough to get through those batters with only two pitches. He need to develop his changeup which will eventually become his third pitch. It will be better if he can throw one like King Felix or Greinke.

 

RA Dickey: D

 

In April, I could give him F because he was horrible. Looks like he is getting better as season goes on. However, I think his performance need to be more consistent

 

Roberto Osuna: A

 

He is becoming one of the most masterful closers in the league. I don't know if he will convert to the starter or stick to the closer, but I like what he is doing right now.

 

Drew Storen: D-

 

His performance is definitely below parity. Last year, he was good as a closer, but when Papelbon stole his role in the Nats, he went rocky. Unfortunately, that rocky performance is still going on with the Jays. I don't think he can be a set-up or 7th inning guy unless he can prove everyone that he can be better.

 

Jesse Chavez: B-

 

When the Jays traded Liam Hendriks for him, many fans thought we got ripped.. However, looks like he is doing what Hendriks did last year. (Hendriks is doing terrible in the A's) He just need to be consistent and be able to induce some groundballs.

 

Joe Biagini: A

 

Looks like he can end up as the best rule 5 draftee in 2015. (With Joey Rickard in the Orioles is declining significantly) Didn't expect him to be this good. I can see he is consistently pounding lower part of the strike zone with mid 90 fastball and great curveball. If he can continue his performance, he can be one of the best one in the league.

 

Gavin Floyd: B

 

He is doing alright

 

Nice recap...but Sanchez is an A...on the season and based on expectations coming in.

[Pendleton]

Thanks for the recap, good job.

 

I disagree with the grade on R.A. Dickey. We've seen this act before, he struggles in April and then turns it on, sometimes in Cy Young form like last year. He's already got an above average ERA and is giving us innings, so he gets a B- from me so far.

 

I agree with that. As tough as it may be, I think if some people would let go of the trade and recalibrate their expectations, they'd see that Dickey gives us pretty much exactly what this club needs out of a veteran back of the rotation starter. He chews innings and gives this potent lineup a chance to win most nights.

 

It can be frustrating sitting through some of the long innings, I get that, but he's a solid veteran starter and our rotation as a whole is in quite fine shape as things stand.

[TheHurl]

I didn't mind his grades. But he's been warned about starting threads all the time. So I felt like I had to put my fist down on this one. We'll have midseason grades in a month, posted by one of the regulars.