Osuna Closer; Leon, Biagini, Tepera make pen; Ceciliani Optioned

[Laika]

They weren't really into the full rebuild in Cleveland. They'll probably put together a true talent 80-85 win team for a few years while the farm ripens and hope for some luck to push them to WC contention. There will be enough here for that:

 

C - Martin

1B - Colabello

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

CF - Pillar

LF - Pompey/Alford

RF - Alford/Pompey

DH - FA... or Rowdy (late 2017)

BN/possible starters - Goins, Ceciliani, Burns, Smith Jr.

 

SP - Stroman

SP - Estrada

SP - Happ

SP - Sanchez/Osuna?

SP - Greene

SP - Hutch

 

SP - Biagini?

 

I think that ^ team competes pretty well. Sign back Dickey for the innings, and then some cheap DH/OF/RP/SP depth free agents.

[KingKat]

Sign back Dickey for the innings

 

Dickey's going to hit a wall sooner rather than later. Throwing a knuckleball isn't the fountain of youth. It made sense to use the option this year for cost security and whatever but next year when things are wide open, it would be nice to explore other options.

[Stangstag]

Reddick should be the main target this offseason. Moss or Santana could also be a good signing for 1B/DH

[Laika]

Dickey's going to hit a wall sooner rather than later. Throwing a knuckleball isn't the fountain of youth. It made sense to use the option this year for cost security and whatever but next year when things are wide open, it would be nice to explore other options.

 

He'll be the most efficient use of money on the market, almost for certain. Unless of course he like, blows out his hip this year or whatever.

[Stangstag]

Dickey's going to hit a wall sooner rather than later. Throwing a knuckleball isn't the fountain of youth. It made sense to use the option this year for cost security and whatever but next year when things are wide open, it would be nice to explore other options.

 

Yeah i definitely don't want Dickey back next year

[KingKat]

He'll be the most efficient use of money on the market, almost for certain. Unless of course he like, blows out his hip this year or whatever.

 

I always prefer to give up on a guy too soon than too late. I already feel like we're pushing it in 2016. You add the difficulties he creates for catchers and it would be kind of nice to just move on.

[Frenchsoup]

Yeah i definitely don't want Dickey back next year

 

This seems to be everyone's sentiment, the man puts up numbers though.

[Stangstag]

This seems to be everyone's sentiment, the man puts up numbers though.

 

42 next year though

[Laika]

I always prefer to give up on a guy too soon than too late. I already feel like we're pushing it in 2016. You add the difficulties he creates for catchers and it would be kind of nice to just move on.

 

No. The team will still be veteran laden in 2017. Dickey is posed to present himself as a very efficient use of resources for a shrewd competitive team in need of innings for that year.

 

The downside is very minimal, and the alternative would probably be substantially more money (3 or 4 times as much?) for a roughly equivalent pitcher. Could be looking at 1/$8 for Dickey vs. Happ contract for a guy like Happ.

[jaysblue]

On a one year deal worth $8-10M, I have no problem bringing back Dickey when he's a lock for 200 + quality innings.

[Angrioter]

I still think Cola is super questionable. His spring was bad, at bats looked bad, strike zone awareness was bad. It was spring so of course the results are basically useless but he hadn't done anything at the MLB level until last season and that was on a 400+ BABIP. I'd be comfortable saying I think Smoak has the better offensive season this year.

 

Reggresion to the mean thread

[THANOS]

On a one year deal worth $8-10M, I have no problem bringing back Dickey when he's a lock for 200 + quality innings.

 

I wouldn't really say that's a lock.

[burlingtonbandit]

I really hope Rogers can up the payroll. If the team makes the postseason and the Canadian dollar stays where it is right now there should be a bump of at least $20 Million. If the team makes the postseason and payroll is still in the $140 range people will really be pissed and rightfully so.

[BTS]

I really hope Rogers can up the payroll. If the team makes the postseason and the Canadian dollar stays where it is right now there should be a bump of at least $20 Million. If the team makes the postseason and payroll is still in the $140 range people will really be pissed and rightfully so.

 

shut up

[burlingtonbandit]

shut up

 

Its f***in true

[glory]

Wouldn't shock me if the Jays decide to go with stop gaps to replace Bautista and EE. Something like Santana at 1B/DH, Bruce in RF (it's almost happened already), for example. The free agent market isn't great and they want to avoid trading top prospects. Hard to picture what they'll do without using those two avenues. Maybe a Happ equivalent on offense if one is out there in free agency but I don't expect them to be on top free agents.

[Angrioter]

Its f***in true

 

No.

Tulo, Martin, Josh, Edwin, Jose is too much. 120-130 millions is a great investment.

[burlingtonbandit]

No.

Tulo, Martin, Josh, Edwin, Jose is too much. 120-130 millions is a great investment.

 

Are you saying you would rather have a $120 Million payroll than 160? If the Jays have a really good season they should have the increased payroll flexibility regardless if EE and Bautista are back or not.

[Angrioter]

Are you saying you would rather have a $120 Million payroll than 160? If the Jays have a really good season they should have the increased payroll flexibility regardless if EE and Bautista are back or not.

 

No. I'm just saying that the money isn't the problem. We need to develop young talent Ala Boston, Pirates, Cubs, Nats, Mets.

I want $500K talented players

[THANOS]

I really hope Rogers can up the payroll. If the team makes the postseason and the Canadian dollar stays where it is right now there should be a bump of at least $20 Million. If the team makes the postseason and payroll is still in the $140 range people will really be pissed and rightfully so.

 

Well said. Last time I checked, the Cdn dollar parity was actually closing in on the US, so if this pace continues it could actually be much better than this time, in 2015. If that happens and we have an entire season of the last couple months of ticket sales in 2015, then I would imagine payroll could go up as high as $180M.

[burlingtonbandit]

No. I'm just saying that the money isn't the problem. We need to develop young talent Ala Boston, Pirates, Cubs, Nats, Mets.

I want $500K talented players

 

The team can still develop young talent while competing for a division at the MLB level. More payroll flexibility allows the team a better chance of winning. I'm not sure what you are saying?

[THANOS]

No. I'm just saying that the money isn't the problem. We need to develop young talent Ala Boston, Pirates, Cubs, Nats, Mets.

I want $500K talented players

 

You could do both. There's likely a correlation between higher MLB team payroll and higher international signing/draft budgets, as well as an increased development budget.

 

They also could trade some of the expensive players a few years into their contracts if they are comfortable with their AAA depth.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well said. Last time I checked, the Cdn dollar parity was actually closing in on the US, so if this pace continues it could actually be much better than this time, in 2015. If that happens and we have an entire season of the last couple months of ticket sales in 2015, then I would imagine payroll could go up as high as $180M.

 

The TV numbers have a ton of upside as well.

[THANOS]

The TV numbers have a ton of upside as well.

 

Sure, but that would be a little more difficult to measure since the Jays air on a Rogers owned network where tv rights contracts are controlled in-house, likely at cost, instead of fair market value.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sure, but that would be a little more difficult to measure since the Jays air on a Rogers owned network where tv rights contracts are controlled in-house, likely at cost, instead of fair market value.

 

True but Shapiro would know the value. Maybe since he's a baseball guy unlike Beeston he can convince Rogers to spend more.

[Angrioter]

The team can still develop young talent while competing for a division at the MLB level. More payroll flexibility allows the team a better chance of winning. I'm not sure what you are saying?

 

You could do both. There's likely a correlation between higher MLB team payroll and higher international signing/draft budgets, as well as an increased development budget.

 

They also could trade some of the expensive players a few years into their contracts if they are comfortable with their AAA depth.

 

1-Edwin or Jose, Tulo for Mazara, Brinson kind of MLB ready talent.

2-QO Jose and/or Edwin (Draft pick)

[burlingtonbandit]

1-Edwin or Jose, Tulo for Mazara, Brinson kind of MLB ready talent.

2-QO Jose and/or Edwin (Draft pick)

 

What does that have to do with payroll being higher? The Jays can let Jose and Edwin go to FA and replace them while raising payroll, thus having a better chance to win. The Jays aren't trading Jose, Edwin or Tulo since they have no trade clauses.

[Maahfaace]

What does that have to do with payroll being higher? The Jays can let Jose and Edwin go to FA and replace them while raising payroll, thus having a better chance to win. The Jays aren't trading Jose, Edwin or Tulo since they have no trade clauses.

 

Tulo has a no trade clause?

[KingKat]

No. The team will still be veteran laden in 2017. Dickey is posed to present himself as a very efficient use of resources for a shrewd competitive team in need of innings for that year.

 

The downside is very minimal, and the alternative would probably be substantially more money (3 or 4 times as much?) for a roughly equivalent pitcher. Could be looking at 1/$8 for Dickey vs. Happ contract for a guy like Happ.

 

What kind of projected value are we talking about with 2017 Dickey? He's already a guy who needed 214 innings to scrap his way to 2 wins last year. You're essentially advocating dedicating two roster spots in 2017 for what? A 1.0 to 1.5 win garbage tosser? f*** this s***. Enough already.

[burlingtonbandit]

Tulo has a no trade clause?

 

Yup. Full no trade clause kicked in after he was traded from COL.