How would you rate Toronto's offseason?

[4thOFan]

Who's closing for you kids?

[BTS]

Who's closing for you kids?

 

Most likely Storen. Possibly Osuna.

[4thOFan]

Would you draft Storen over Osuna?

[Laika]

Would you draft Storen over Osuna?

 

Yeah Storen is more likely to close. Off chance that Osuna even gets optioned if they want to stretch him out.

[TheHurl]

I think LAA got a $150M annual TV deal for 100,000 viewers a game. It's true none of us have an idea about the team's finances but we can use comparables like that and presume what our TV deal would be with 600,000 viewers a game and 5,000,000+ down the stretch...

 

It would be nice if we could see a breakdown of the revenues because it could be infuriating to the average fan if they see most of the Jays' revenue (ie. the fans' money) going into share prices instead of back into the team. You're supposed to own sports teams to win championships in my opinion.

 

no one has ever been able to give me a good reason why but Canadian ad revenue doesn't work in the same way. Blue Jays top value to Rogers is playing their own ads. This old article from Huffington Post shows best how minor ad revenue really is in Canada. Sportsnet only brought in an ad revenue total of $82M in 2012 (in an Olympic year)

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers1-thumb.png

 

And over a quarter of that came from hockey...despite barely showing games.

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers2-thumb.png

 

I honestly don't know if this is because of Rogers using half of their ad space on themselves but compare that to Modern Family reruns charging $150K per ad....there is obviously something that doesn't add up for Canadian ad revenue.

[BTS]

Top 10 in the AL maybe. Barely top 10 I think. Spotrac has us at 9th right now in the AL after KC, SEA and BAL. Obviously there's an error margin there but you can say for sure we're in the KC, BAL, SEA, CWS area of payrolls. A clear step below BOS, NYY, DET, LAA and TEX.

 

I think LAA got a $150M annual TV deal for 100,000 viewers a game. It's true none of us have an idea about the team's finances but we can use comparables like that and presume what our TV deal would be with 600,000 viewers a game and 5,000,000+ down the stretch...

 

I think the only time we've been top 10 in payroll during Rogers' entire tenure was the past couple seasons and we were 9th. But NL teams have lower payrolls which is why I prefer to use the AL.

 

Rogers does just enough as an ownership group. They should probably do more with the team we currently have because we're close. The goal is to win a championship. Could we still win one with this budget? Yes. But I'm not going to begrudge people for valuing a championship over share prices. The reality is that a giant corporation will never share that sentiment.

 

It would be nice if we could see a breakdown of the revenues because it could be infuriating to the average fan if they see most of the Jays' revenue (ie. the fans' money) going into share prices instead of back into the team. You're supposed to own sports teams to win championships in my opinion.

 

They've ended the season top-10 in each of the last three seasons (10th, 10th, 9th). I have no idea where they project to finish 2016 right now, but the season hasn't started yet and if they're outside the top-10 it isn't by much.

[saskjayfan]

no one has ever been able to give me a good reason why but Canadian ad revenue doesn't work in the same way. Blue Jays top value to Rogers is playing their own ads. This old article from Huffington Post shows best how minor ad revenue really is in Canada. Sportsnet only brought in an ad revenue total of $82M in 2012 (in an Olympic year)

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers1-thumb.png

 

And over a quarter of that came from hockey...despite barely showing games.

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers2-thumb.png

 

I honestly don't know if this is because of Rogers using half of their ad space on themselves but compare that to Modern Family reruns charging $150K per ad....there is obviously something that doesn't add up for Canadian ad revenue.

 

don't discount the modern family reruns...that show rocks...watch them every day!

[Abomination]

no one has ever been able to give me a good reason why but Canadian ad revenue doesn't work in the same way. Blue Jays top value to Rogers is playing their own ads. This old article from Huffington Post shows best how minor ad revenue really is in Canada. Sportsnet only brought in an ad revenue total of $82M in 2012 (in an Olympic year)

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers1-thumb.png

 

And over a quarter of that came from hockey...despite barely showing games.

 

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-19-rogers2-thumb.png

 

I honestly don't know if this is because of Rogers using half of their ad space on themselves but compare that to Modern Family reruns charging $150K per ad....there is obviously something that doesn't add up for Canadian ad revenue.

 

This is kinda interesting:

 

More than 70 per cent of the $312 million in revenue recognized by the four Sportsnet regional feeds in 2014 came from subscription fees paid by 8.3 million cable and satellite customers, according to data submitted to the broadcast regulator. That includes fees collected from other cable and satellite providers who offer the Sportsnet family of channels to their television subscribers.

Since Moore’s arrival at Rogers, he says rates have lagged what Bell Media charges providers to offer TSN. He wants that to change when it comes time to renew these contracts. Moore believes Sportsnet should be priced higher but not too high that casual fans decide to completely cut the service from their package. It will become a larger issue in the coming year, as viewers will soon be able to pick the channels they want.

 

Apparently TSN gets something like 50% more per subscriber based on current contracts.

 

http://www.nationalpost.com/rogers+communications+gears+biggest+week+sports+still+eyes+long+game/11418867/story.html

[TheHurl]

This is kinda interesting:

 

 

 

Apparently TSN gets something like 50% more per subscriber based on current contracts.

 

http://www.nationalpost.com/rogers+communications+gears+biggest+week+sports+still+eyes+long+game/11418867/story.html

 

this stuff fascinates me. in no way would I figure ad revenue to be as low as it is, and I certainly didn't figure subscription revenue would be so high.

[Abomination]

this stuff fascinates me. in no way would I figure ad revenue to be as low as it is, and I certainly didn't figure subscription revenue would be so high.

 

I think YES gets something like twice the subscriber fee a month (not to mention I think they somehow got YES added to all cable providers in NYC as a mandatory channel). I was really surprised though too. Some of the low ad revenue reasons for Canada make a lot of sense, but it seems like it should be higher than it is.

[BTS]

Curious as to where people sit on this now. My opinion hasn't really changed at all: adding Happ and Estrada in the short term to complement the win-now roster while avoiding long-term investments and not moving any prospects was a perfect direction IMO.

 

My biggest concern going into the season was OF depth, but even that hasn't been a problem. Saunders' resurgence and Carrera's solid play as the 4th OF have been adequate, and we've barely needed contributions from anyone outside the main 4.

 

Very encouraging first offseason from the new FO I think.

[closetjaysfan]

I voted poor. Storen is the only move I am excited about. The other moves seemed like filler or obvious maintenance (ie: options and depth moves). If the Yanks and Sox do nothing, then this is an average off season. Unfortunately, every team in the AL east save for the Orioles are more improved over last year.

 

Whelp I was pretty much wrong. Storen sucks. Os are good. Rays/Yankees suck. We dont suck.

In retrospect though, the lack of lefty relief has really cost us. At this point that seems to be the only glaring hole in the roster.

The more interesting question now is whether people agree with the mid-season approach that the FO has taken. Ignoring EE (seems to be failing) while gambling that Bautista wont have a 30 million dollar season (seems to be working), picking up Grilli (a plus), and resigning Smoak (ugh) are the more obvious.

[BTS]

Whelp I was pretty much wrong. Storen sucks. Os are good. Rays/Yankees suck. We dont suck.

In retrospect though, the lack of lefty relief has really cost us. At this point that seems to be the only glaring hole in the roster.

The more interesting question now is whether people agree with the mid-season approach that the FO has taken. Ignoring EE (seems to be failing) while gambling that Bautista wont have a 30 million dollar season (seems to be working), picking up Grilli (a plus), and resigning Smoak (ugh) are the more obvious.

 

Pretty pleased with everything that's happened since the start of the season. Carrera was the right choice as 4th OF (I was wrong again), like the patience with Bautista and Edwin, and loved the Grilli trade. Don't love or understand the Smoak extension, but it's not a huge deal either.

[GD]

Curious as to where people sit on this now. My opinion hasn't really changed at all: adding Happ and Estrada in the short term to complement the win-now roster while avoiding long-term investments and not moving any prospects was a perfect direction IMO.

 

My biggest concern going into the season was OF depth, but even that hasn't been a problem. Saunders' resurgence and Carrera's solid play as the 4th OF have been adequate, and we've barely needed contributions from anyone outside the main 4.

 

Very encouraging first offseason from the new FO I think.

 

Yeah. I was gonna say Happ's been disappointing, but his xFIP- is down to 99. He's whiffing more guys than ever. And this is in spite of him being left in through the third time through the order where his K/BB goes below two. It's around 3.75 for the first two times. Really great offseason. Wonder how they approach this one.

[Grant77]

Curious as to where people sit on this now. My opinion hasn't really changed at all: adding Happ and Estrada in the short term to complement the win-now roster while avoiding long-term investments and not moving any prospects was a perfect direction IMO.

 

My biggest concern going into the season was OF depth, but even that hasn't been a problem. Saunders' resurgence and Carrera's solid play as the 4th OF have been adequate, and we've barely needed contributions from anyone outside the main 4.

 

Very encouraging first offseason from the new FO I think.

 

They were very clear in saying those were LaCava's decisions, but I liked them nonetheless.

 

Really, the new front office hasn't done a whole lot and that isn't a bad thing. I liked the draft and the Grilli pickup, while the Morales signing was a mistake, but we won't really get a sense of their plan is until the offseason.

[BTS]

They were very clear in saying those were LaCava's decisions, but I liked them nonetheless.

 

Really, the new front office hasn't done a whole lot and that isn't a bad thing. I liked the draft and the Grilli pickup, while the Morales signing was a mistake, but we won't really get a sense of their plan is until the offseason.

 

There's no way LaCava was given free reign to dictate the direction of the offseason as interim GM.

[Grant77]

There's no way LaCava was given free reign to dictate the direction of the offseason as interim GM.

 

If you say so. I don't believe that Shapiro and Atkins would make such bald-faced lies right from the start of their tenure. Shapiro certainly had some input on the direction (like not signing Price), but there were a myriad of short term pitching options and I think LaCava did a nice job in identifying the right ones.

 

People are going to like what Shapiro does, he has a solid track record. You don't have to manipulate everything to fit your narrative. Let the truth speak for itself.

[BTS]

If you say so. I don't believe that Shapiro and Atkins would make such bald-faced lies right from the start of their tenure. Shapiro certainly had some input on the direction (like not signing Price), but there were a myriad of short term pitching options and I think LaCava did a nice job in identifying the right ones.

 

OK Grant

[Grant77]

OK Grant

 

You took being wrong easier than usual. Kudos on personal growth.

[BTS]

You took being wrong easier than usual. Kudos on personal growth.

 

I now make an effort to not follow you down the rabbit hole of autism whenever you post. It's for the best.

[WryNGinger]

I now make an effort to not follow you down the rabbit hole of autism whenever you post. It's for the best.

 

My son has autism and he is an amazing kid. 1 in 65 kids has a form of autism. Do NOT use that term as a generic insult. It is quite simply ignorant of you to do so.

[King]

My son has autism and he is an amazing kid. 1 in 65 kids has a form of autism. Do NOT use that term as a generic insult. It is quite simply ignorant of you to do so.

Agreed, hopefully the mods crack down on this. I have already sent in a report.

[BTS]

My son has autism and he is an amazing kid. 1 in 65 kids has a form of autism. Do NOT use that term as a generic insult. It is quite simply ignorant of you to do so.

 

What I meant was that Grant's condition makes him very frustrating to argue with. I'm sure he's an otherwise lovely person.

[WryNGinger]

What I meant was that Grant's condition makes him very frustrating to argue with. I'm sure he's an otherwise lovely person.

 

Regardless....society does (and should) expect better from you. Something that cannot be controlled must never be used as insult fodder.

[BTS]

Regardless....society does (and should) expect better from you. Something that cannot be controlled must never be used as insult fodder.

 

I agree. It's not Grant's fault and I should be more sensitive going forward. Thank you for calling me out, and all the best to you and your son.

[WryNGinger]

I agree. It's not Grant's fault and I should be more sensitive going forward. Thank you for calling me out, and all the best to you and your son.

 

And thank you for taking the feedback so appropriately. Peace BTS.

[WryNGinger]

I hope we didn't de-rail this thread...lol. ;-)

 

I voted Good

[L54]

Is referring to someone on the autism spectrum or calling someone or something retarded any less worse than using the words fag or gay? We as a society have become socially aware of the latter, not so much the former.

 

I expect the mods to deal with this appropriately in the future.

[burlingtonbandit]

The Estrada deal looks pretty great right now although I wonder if they regret not adding a 3rd year to the deal. Happ has been great, I think I saw that his fastball has a top 5 pitch value of every pitcher in baseball which is pretty remarkable.

[L54]

If that offends you quit the internet or you'll end up having a mental breakdown like Leslie Jones did tonight.

 

Nope. In today's age of political correctness it really isn't much of him to ask.