Jays sign Domonic Brown

[Dr. Dinger]

Junior Lake >> Domonic

 

Doubt it.

[Dr. Dinger]

Correct - one costs you $13.5M, the other does - which has been a very important part of my debate which you seem to be ignoring...

 

You really don't know what Bruce would cost us, but it's almost assuredly not his entire salary.

[Angrioter]

Doubt it.

 

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[glory]

Correct - one costs you $13.5M, the other does - which has been a very important part of my debate which you seem to be ignoring...

 

Lol what I have been ignoring? You're saying Brown is the equivalent of Bruce. I'm saying that's patently false. The salaries are irrelevant as far as what I'm talking about. Talent wise, Bruce is a better player with a much better history. One is a bounce back candidate, and the other has to be fixed by hitting coaches (a project at best, minor league filler at worst). That's all I'm arguing. Brown is not a replacement for Bruce.

[KingKat]

 

This signing has no impact on whether the Jays continue to pursue Bruce or not.

 

I get what you're saying but the timing is curious. Still might just be a coincidence of course.

[Dr. Dinger]

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Like I would ever deign to play in that piece of s*** league.

[Rusty_Savage]

I doubt Brown sees any at bats with the big league club.

[GD]

So you're telling me we didn't trade Bautista for him?

[HERPDERP]

[Grant77]

I like this signing and advocated for it a few times earlier this offseason. This is just a gut feeling, but he feels like one of those late bloomer kind of guys. You just never know, it has happened for us a lot lately.

[o2cui2i]

isn't this just dumpster diving? I fear the injuries the Jays would have to have to the big club to get Brown ABs in the bigs

[L54]

Thank god we didn't deal Jose Batista

[Sammy225]

isn't this just dumpster diving? I fear the injuries the Jays would have to have to the big club to get Brown ABs in the bigs

 

Same last year with Carerra.....

[Laika]

Same last year with Carerra.....

 

and Tank

[Brownie19]

Lol what I have been ignoring? You're saying Brown is the equivalent of Bruce. I'm saying that's patently false. The salaries are irrelevant as far as what I'm talking about. Talent wise, Bruce is a better player with a much better history. One is a bounce back candidate, and the other has to be fixed by hitting coaches (a project at best, minor league filler at worst). That's all I'm arguing. Brown is not a replacement for Bruce.

 

First - I have no idea why you are so convinced Brown is broken and needs to be fixed by a hitting coach - but Bruce isn't after posting a wRC+ under 90 in his last 1000+ PA's. They both suck.

 

My point continues to be the marginally higher chance that Bruce bounces back is not worth giving up assets and/or spending what little budget we have remaining....There is/was massive risk in taking on Bruce (unless the Reds were going to cover the $9M difference in salary, which is unlikely and the Jays only gave up Saunders) for the outside chance he rebounds to a the point where he's significantly better than what Saunders/Pompey could get you.

[Spanky99]

Like I would ever deign to play in that piece of s*** league.

 

That's nice.

[glory]

First - I have no idea why you are so convinced Brown is broken and needs to be fixed by a hitting coach - but Bruce isn't after posting a wRC+ under 90 in his last 1000+ PA's. They both suck.

 

My point continues to be the marginally higher chance that Bruce bounces back is not worth giving up assets and/or spending what little budget we have remaining....There is/was massive risk in taking on Bruce (unless the Reds were going to cover the $9M difference in salary, which is unlikely and the Jays only gave up Saunders) for the outside chance he rebounds to a the point where he's significantly better than what Saunders/Pompey could get you.

 

I never said I liked the Bruce deal. I'm just saying he has a better track record and there's more reason to believe he's a "buy low" candidate than someone like Brown who is a lottery ticket at best. They acquired Bruce to start in LF. They acquired Brown as minor league depth. Now you can argue there's better ways to spend the money, and I'd agree, but the only similarity between those two is that they've been bad the past two seasons. One is clearly the better player than the other, and you can at least argue that one of them (Bruce) has the potential to bounce back offensively based on some of his offensive ratios last season.

 

Frankly, if the Jays were paying ~$10m (the difference between Saunders/Bruce) plus giving up a prospect in that deal, then it's probably a good thing it fell through, but we don't know how the deal broke down financially and who the prospect was, so it's a mystery for now.

[Moo3]

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[Maahfaace]

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Moogy? have you returned pretending to be in the 80 IQ range?

[closetjaysfan]

In most cases, im going to be happy with signing guys that have played at the major league level to minor league contracts. This guy is no exception.

[TheHurl]

isn't this just dumpster diving? I fear the injuries the Jays would have to have to the big club to get Brown ABs in the bigs

 

and if the Jays didn't sign him and had injuries you'd be comfortable?

[fireballW]

Christ - why didn't we just trade for Coghlan? only owed $4.8M this year (FA next year) and has been 2.4 - 3.3 WAR the past 2 years. We could have offered him a QO after the year and watched the O's sign him for no reason and give us their draft pick.

 

If this was AA at this point everyone would be trash talking how he doesnt use advanced stats (after the Bruce and now this). Anyway, this is a great low cost signing. They need to find the next Bautista or EE

[Spanky99]

If this was AA at this point everyone would be trash talking how he doesnt use advanced stats (after the Bruce and now this). Anyway, this is a great low cost signing. They need to find the next Bautista or EE

 

I doubt that much, we'd be happy AA is actually dealing with depth for once?

[Sorrow]

I doubt that much, we'd be happy AA is actually dealing with depth for once?

 

Agreed. It's nice to finally have some depth now. Brown, Cecilliani, Carrera, Lake behind Pompey, Saunders, Pillar and Bautista. Then you have Roemen Fields who might be MLB ready as a bench piece this season.

 

I'm honestly hoping that Pompey either gets the starting job or is in AAA getting everyday at bats with Cecilliani working as the fourth OF.

[Angrioter]

Agreed. It's nice to finally have some depth now. Brown, Cecilliani, Carrera, Lake behind Pompey, Saunders, Pillar and Bautista. Then you have Roemen Fields who might be MLB ready as a bench piece this season.

 

I'm honestly hoping that Pompey either gets the starting job or is in AAA getting everyday at bats with Cecilliani working as the fourth OF.

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[KingKat]

If this was AA at this point everyone would be trash talking how he doesnt use advanced stats (after the Bruce and now this). Anyway, this is a great low cost signing. They need to find the next Bautista or EE

 

If this was AA, he's be called insane for wanting Bruce. No one would have a problem with Brown. It's a good no risk upside play.

[burlingtonbandit]

I doubt that much, we'd be happy AA is actually dealing with depth for once?

 

Last year they had a lot of good depth signings?

[glory]

The difference between Shapiro and AA is level of trust, at least to me. The way AA evaluated talent from 2009-14 showed a complete lack of understanding when it came to advanced stats (he improved in 2015). Whereas with Shapiro, the guy goes out of his way to mention sabermetric ideology even when talking to a Toronto media that can barely understand anything beyond batting average and ERA. So while I was not a fan of acquiring Jay Bruce (unless it was a pure salary neutral trade with no prospect changing hands), I could at least picture the current regime having reasons beyond "my gawd look at dem home runs!". In 2013, AA was running expensive pylons on the field while talking about having a track team and power, and then the following year replaced JPA with one of the worst framers in the league in Navarro. The benefit of the doubt wasn't there, again, IMO. Although like I said, I thought he improved in 2015.

[Brownie19]

If this was AA, he's be called insane for wanting Bruce. No one would have a problem with Brown. It's a good no risk upside play.

 

I'm calling Shatkins insane or wanting Bruce - aren't the rest of you?

[G-Snarls]

I'm calling Shatkins insane or wanting Bruce - aren't the rest of you?

 

Yeah trading for Bruce didn't make much sense to me. Of course we never found out the whole deal and $ going each way.

 

The Brown pick up is a great zero risk move with potential upside and at worst adds needed depth. Nothing not to like there.