HOF Thread

[Spanky99]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball

 

Yeah, I kind of lost it, lol.

[KingKat]

I personally know ballplayers from that era, and told me it was rampid and never hidden, same goes for the minors, you had poke bros man. 75 to 80% of the boys were poke smack bro's in the clubhouse. Yes 92/93 and prior, not to mention later, lol.

 

There's plenty of testimony to that effect both on and off the record. Ken Caminiti was the first to really blow the lid off the thing.

[Spanky99]

I alway remember Ralphy being slick defensively....am I misremembering?

 

Yes.

[Spanky99]

There's plenty of testimony to that effect both on and off the record. Ken Caminiti was the first to really blow the lid off the thing.

 

True, it's certainly a factor in why he went bat s*** crazy.

[Boxcar]

Yes.

 

Yeah, wins a gold glove while being the DH for his team, lol.

[Spanky99]

Yeah, wins a gold glove while being the DH for his team, lol.

 

... Heh!

[GD]

Exactly, saying people who still use the term retards don't come off as intelligent is pretty high and mighty. That being said, if didn't go to college, you are a f***ing dipshit

 

I bet you typed this on a Windows you blind f***ing chode juggler

[TheHurl]

There's plenty of testimony to that effect both on and off the record. Ken Caminiti was the first to really blow the lid off the thing.

 

not counting those that were ignored when they attempted to tell about it in the 60's and 70's.

[Spanky99]

I *hearts* GD!

[Dick_Pole]

If you are trying to say there should be a better start than saves and that a 3 run save ain't s*** because 95 percent or so of those could be converted by any relief pitcher, I would agree. There is certainly a difference in closing out the 8th for the most part, even though I'm a big believer in a closer by committee if you have the players to do it by

 

However, in the case of Hoff vs wag 600 saves vs 400 is substantial in hof discussion and that was shown in the voting. Also true that in real life if williams and Reardon didn't choke, we wouldn't have those banners flying.

 

What's your ballot?

You against kicking puppies? We ain't that much different you and I badass bro

 

Williams blew game 6. Jays could have easily won game 7 at home if he didn't.

Gossage and Sutter had even less saves at around 300 each. So should every RP above 300 saves get in? Hoffman and Rivera with their gaudy save numbers are largely a product of their era.

 

Who's on my ballot? If I could pick only one from the list of candidates this year, it would be Bonds.

[Spanky99]

Williams blew game 6. Jays could have easily won game 7 at home if he didn't.

Gossage and Sutter had even less saves at around 300 each. So should every RP above 300 saves get in? Hoffman and Rivera with their gaudy save numbers are largely a product of their era.

 

Who's on my ballot? If I could pick only one from the list of candidates this year, it would be Bonds.

 

Real numbers, data should be used.

[G-Snarls]

Who among current active veteran players are shoo ins for the HOF? Thinking age 30 plus guys who already have the resume.

 

Miguel Cabrera

Albert Pujols

Felix Hernandez

Clayton Kershaw (edit: s***, he's only 27?)

Justin Verlander

Yadier Molina

 

How many more are slam dunk guys??

[KingKat]

Who among current active veteran players are shoo ins for the HOF? Thinking age 30 plus guys who already have the resume.

 

Miguel Cabrera

Albert Pujols

Felix Hernandez

Clayton Kershaw (edit: s***, he's only 27?)

Justin Verlander

Yadier Molina

 

How many more are slam dunk guys??

 

All Trout has to do is basically not get injured. If he plays for 10 season he's in.

[FrozenRopes]

The remain irrelevant without Bonds and Rose. It doesn't even matter.

[43211234]

Who among current active veteran players are shoo ins for the HOF? Thinking age 30 plus guys who already have the resume.

 

Miguel Cabrera

Albert Pujols

Felix Hernandez

Clayton Kershaw (edit: s***, he's only 27?)

Justin Verlander

Yadier Molina

 

How many more are slam dunk guys??

 

Yady Molina *pukes*

 

The only way he should be near Cooperstown is if the Molina brothers are booked 10 nights a year as a sort of house act where they have races, framing exhibitions and grit-offs etc.

Edited January 11, 2016 by 43211234

[Boxcar]

Who among current active veteran players are shoo ins for the HOF? Thinking age 30 plus guys who already have the resume.

 

Miguel Cabrera

Albert Pujols

Felix Hernandez

Clayton Kershaw (edit: s***, he's only 27?)

Justin Verlander

Yadier Molina

 

How many more are slam dunk guys??

 

Might not be a slam dunk but Adrian Beltre should get in. Buster Posey should easily get in if he stays healthy.

Joey Votto has a good shot.

Chase Utley

[TRM]

Ichiro

Beltran

David Wright?

CC?

King Felix

Greinke?

[Frank Menechino]

No one has mentioned Adrian Beltre yet. He has HOF numbers already imo. Already at 75 WAR.

[Stangstag]

No one has mentioned Adrian Beltre yet. He has HOF numbers already imo. Already at 75 WAR.

 

Beltre was literally just mentioned 2 posts above yours

[Brownie19]

No one has mentioned Adrian Beltre yet. He has HOF numbers already imo. Already at 75 WAR.

 

Funny thing is - I'm not sure he's a shoe in because the voters are stupid. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Ortiz gets more support than Beltre.

[wamco]

Beltre is a shoe in. Gonna have over 3k hits.

[G-Snarls]

Might not be a slam dunk but Adrian Beltre should get in. Buster Posey should easily get in if he stays healthy.

Joey Votto has a good shot.

Chase Utley

 

I had thought of Utley and Votto, both have legit shots

 

Had not though of Beltre and should have. Yes, he shoold get in.

[G-Snarls]

Ichiro

Beltran

David Wright?

CC?

King Felix

Greinke?

 

Ichiro yes. I was thinking he was going to be retired but no...

 

Beltran meh. I don't see it.

 

I had Felix on my short list

 

CC and Wright have had high peaks but also some major lows and missed time. As is I'm not sure about them

Edited January 11, 2016 by G-Snarls

[G-Snarls]

Ichiro still 65 hits shy of 3,000

 

Will he get enough PA in Miami this year to get them??

 

(Mariners should have thrown him a bone to go there for his last season)

Edited January 11, 2016 by G-Snarls

[Brownie19]

Beltre is a shoe in. Gonna have over 3k hits.

 

If he stays healthy, he has a good shot...he'll be 37 by the time this season starts. Phenomenal player though.

[Boxcar]

If he stays healthy, he has a good shot...he'll be 37 by the time this season starts. Phenomenal player though.

 

I think Utley will get in easily. His peak was absolutely insane and he's accumulated enough WARz for induction.

[Brownie19]

I had thought of Utley and Votto, both have legit shots

 

Had not though of Beltre and should have. Yes, he shoold get in.

 

Utley's only at 61 WAR....Edmonds had 66 career WAR (which Utley likely doesn't get to) and he's booted off the list after 1 season. Beltran's at 66 WAR, he should have a shot if he can get past 70.

[Boxcar]

Utley's only at 61 WAR....Edmonds had 66 career WAR (which Utley likely doesn't get to) and he's booted off the list after 1 season. Beltran's at 66 WAR, he should have a shot if he can get past 70.

 

It's not all about WAR. A lot is merely perception; Edmonds was never "feared" like Pujols was, never won an MVP, finished shy of 400 homers and 2000 hits. Edmonds was an extremely well rounded player but it feels like the bbwaa likes the flashy guys. Griffey did basically nothing for half of his career and got the most votes ever. I think no one would dispute that Utley was the best 2b in baseball in his prime and no one was really close. That's the important difference, I think.

[Brownie19]

It's not all about WAR. A lot is merely perception; Edmonds was never "feared" like Pujols was, never won an MVP, finished shy of 400 homers and 2000 hits. Edmonds was an extremely well rounded player but it feels like the bbwaa likes the flashy guys. Griffey did basically nothing for half of his career and got the most votes ever. I think no one would dispute that Utley was the best 2b in baseball in his prime and no one was really close. That's the important difference, I think.

 

Yeah I get that....although Utley wasn't overly flashy either. He was never an MVP, never won gold gloves, no big post season numbers or championship rings to his name. He was a mid 20 to low 30 HR hitter, which didn't stand out much between 2005 and 2009. There were other 2nd basemen between 2005 and 2009 to have big years (Soriano, Phillips, Uggla, Pedroia and his MVP season), although none with the consistency of Utley.

 

For me - Utley was much like Edmonds. A very well rounded player who generated a ton of value on the defensive side (which was grossly undervalued in the mid 2000's).

[Cyborg]

Chances Arod gets in? 2%?