HOF Thread

[Boxcar]

Really brilliant intellectuals typically don't use the term retards btw. It makes you sound like you didn't go to college, or at least a 4 year college and I'd like to think you are better than that. Really not hard to get under 10 this year for me:

 

Griffey

bagwell

McGriff

mussina

schilling

piazza

raines

hoffman

 

Not at all shocking since you don't seem to have a very strong grasp on the game.

 

You're an even bigger fool for assuming Piazza was clean. Lol seriously? Clemens never even got caught or admitted anything.

 

This wishy washy and self righteous criteria would help you fit right in with Murray Chass and Marty Noble. You should apply to join the bbwaa.

[GD]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ken-griffey-jr-junior-hall-of-famer-suicide-attempt-aspirin-induction-seattle-mariners-010816

This week represents a joyous time for Ken Griffey Jr., who was elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Wednesday. But there was apparently a point in his life when things seemed so bad he tried to commit suicide by swallowing 277 aspirin, by his count, according to a 1992 article in The Seattle Times.Griffey, the eldest son in a famous baseball family, was 18 years old in January 1988. He and his father, Ken Griffey Sr., whom he later played alongside with the Seattle Mariners, frequently didn’t see eye to eye. That became a problem for Junior, who described himself as “real stubborn” in the Times article, especially once he moved away from home after becoming a professional athlete as a teenager.

“It seemed like everyone was yelling at me in baseball, then I came home and everyone was yelling at me there,” Griffey Jr. recalled, according to the article. “I got depressed. I got angry. I didn’t want to live.”

Griffey ended up in intensive care after swallowing the surplus of aspirin, which he told The Seattle Times was the only time he acted on his suicidal thoughts despite previously thinking about killing himself “with my father’s gun or something.” According to Griffey, he revealed the shocking story in the hopes of dissuading others from considering suicide as a potential solution to their problems.

“The problem was with me and my father,” Griffey told The Seattle Times in 1992. “I’m smarter than most people think I am, although what I did was not smart. I knew what I had done and got over it. There weren’t any deep problems with me afterwards.”

Griffey, a former No. 1 overall pick who debuted with Seattle in 1989, patched up his relationship with his father, who joined the Mariners in 1990, making them the first father-son teammates in Major League Baseball history. The Kid proceeded to carve out an amazing career that earned him a near-unanimous election to Cooperstown.

The suicide attempt shouldn’t go unnoticed, though. Because while Griffey’s Hall of Fame election is an accomplishment worth celebrating, it’s also worth remembering that we almost lost greatness way too soon.

Edited January 8, 2016 by GD

[Spanky99]

Wow, this guy...

 

Hnnngghhh....

[Orgfiller]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ken-griffey-jr-junior-hall-of-famer-suicide-attempt-aspirin-induction-seattle-mariners-010816

 

Could you have possibly made the font any smaller?

[GD]

Could you have possibly made the font any smaller?

 

I'm really happy you took away the font size from a copy paste instead of the point of the post. Great job.

[wamco]

Not at all shocking since you don't seem to have a very strong grasp on the game.

 

You're an even bigger fool for assuming Piazza was clean. Lol seriously? Clemens never even got caught or admitted anything.

 

This wishy washy and self righteous criteria would help you fit right in with Murray Chass and Marty Noble. You should apply to join the bbwaa.

 

Good one, I don't know who those people even are but ok. I'm forgotten more about baseball than you ever knew, my friend, or as you would say, retard

 

You must have missed the whole Clemens career and court case. In your world bonds, Clemens, McGuire, and griff are lumped into the same " you don't know if they did ped" group. Alrighty then.

 

Who said I assume pizza didn't use ped?

[wamco]

I'll bite, ignore Bonds/Clemens and ask:

 

1. How do you put McGriff on, but not Walker or Edmonds?

2. How do you put Hoffman on there, but not Billy Wagner?

 

Not sure what you are biting on, but sure. Same answer for both. Better counting stats and I loved all five players. 200 more saves for Hoff, Colorado effect for walker. If they got in, I'd be happy about it, but didn't get my vote this year. Oh and the jays bias for mcgriff helped some of course. It would be interesting to see

The voting if he got 7 more hr in the strike shortened 94 season and ended with 500.

[wamco]

Can I ask why if you don't think Edmonds had a HOF career?

 

Edmonds - 64.5 WAR

Sheffield - 62.1 WAR

 

Oh, that was just a sidenote regarding Sheffield, why isn't the crowd that wants to let the suspected ped guys in rushing to his defense? Honest question. Guys numbers gets him easily for me

 

And c.f. ers are underrepresented in the hall

[KingKat]

Oh, that was just a sidenote regarding Sheffield, why isn't the crowd that wants to let the suspected ped guys in rushing to his defense?

 

Because for that crowd, Bonds omission is far more egregious. Bonds numbers trump Sheffield by a wide margin.

[wamco]

Ken Griffey Jr.

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Mike Mussina

Jim Edmonds

 

Really hard to pick just ten...which is so perplexing since fewer than half of the voters did so.

 

How many saves gets Hoffman in for you?

[wamco]

Because for that crowd, Bonds omission is far more egregious. Bonds numbers trump Sheffield by a wide margin.

 

But for him to never even get mentioned in conversation is weird, getting the joey belle treatment it seems.

 

Next year I just add to my ballot. Does Manny get the bonds treatment or the Sosa/ palmeiro treatment

[Boxcar]

Good one, I don't know who those people even are but ok. I'm forgotten more about baseball than you ever knew, my friend, or as you would say, retard

 

You must have forgotten a metric shitload in that case.

 

You must have missed the whole Clemens career and court case. In your world bonds, Clemens, McGuire, and griff are lumped into the same " you don't know if they did ped" group. Alrighty then.

 

I didn't miss the part where he never tested positive and was never proven to have used anything. More than that, I don't really care. Players try to get the best advantage they can in any sport during any time period. Thank Aaron cheated, Joe DiMaggio cheated, Mickey Mantle cheated, etc. I don't think for a second that every successful player in MLB isn't driven to do whatever it takes to be the best they can be. It's on the league to police that, not the players. Bonds and Clemens did what a large chunk of players already in the hall did; tried to get the best advantage they could. I guess it's hard to get into the head of someone so naive.

 

Who said I assume pizza didn't use ped?

 

You did because apparently PED use means no HOF vote in your eyes. If you didn't assume Piazza was clean you wouldn't vote for him.

 

Logic is hard.

[Boxcar]

How many saves gets Hoffman in for you?

 

Saves are a useless stat. They have no bearing whatsoever. Only reliever that I believe deserves entry is Mariano Rivera.

 

Well Eckersley too but he was a starter for awhile.

[burlingtonbandit]

Christ why are you even responding to that. Lol its obvious what he's doing.

[P2F]

What's wrong with a four year college? What's wrong with not going to college?

 

Absolutely nothing, in my opinion.

 

wamco thinks he's better than everyone ITT, but feels the need to give himself a head start over some apparently.

[wamco]

You must have forgotten a metric shitload in that case.

 

 

 

I didn't miss the part where he never tested positive and was never proven to have used anything. More than that, I don't really care. Players try to get the best advantage they can in any sport during any time period. Thank Aaron cheated, Joe DiMaggio cheated, Mickey Mantle cheated, etc. I don't think for a second that every successful player in MLB isn't driven to do whatever it takes to be the best they can be. It's on the league to police that, not the players. Bonds and Clemens did what a large chunk of players already in the hall did; tried to get the best advantage they could. I guess it's hard to get into the head of someone so naive.

 

 

 

You did because apparently PED use means no HOF vote in your eyes. If you didn't assume Piazza was clean you wouldn't vote for him.

 

Logic is hard.

 

You assume incorrectly. Way more evidence of bonds and Clemens cheating than others, but you pretend not to see that .

What evidence would lead you to believe that the "safe bet " in your words that Griffey used peds and for what years do you suspect?

[wamco]

Absolutely nothing, in my opinion.

 

wamco thinks he's better than everyone ITT, but feels the need to give himself a head start over some apparently.

 

Exactly, saying people who still use the term retards don't come off as intelligent is pretty high and mighty. That being said, if didn't go to college, you are a f***ing dipshit

[wamco]

Saves are a useless stat. They have no bearing whatsoever. Only reliever that I believe deserves entry is Mariano Rivera.

 

Well Eckersley too but he was a starter for awhile.

 

You did watch the 92 and 93 world series, right ?

[P2F]

Exactly, saying people who still use the term retards don't come off as intelligent is pretty high and mighty. That being said, if didn't go to college, you are a f***ing dipshit

 

Lol. The irony.

 

...unless, of course, you're calling yourself "retarded", in which case disregard.

[wamco]

Good one

[P2F]

[Boxcar]

You assume incorrectly. Way more evidence of bonds and Clemens cheating than others, but you pretend not to see that .

What evidence would lead you to believe that the "safe bet " in your words that Griffey used peds and for what years do you suspect?

 

For the duration of the 90s. You must have also missed the part where I said I didn't care.

[Boxcar]

You did watch the 92 and 93 world series, right ?

 

I was 4 and 5 years old. Of course, "glory years" bandwagoners like yourself love bringing up 92/93 whenever they can, even if it has no relevance (like right now.)

[wamco]

Wow. Ya, Jeff Reardon and mitch Williams were very unimportant figures in the jays history. Or show the importance of closing out a game

 

What about the duration of the 90 s makes you feel the safe bet was that Griff did ped. For the record I believe bagwell was on ped as well. U ?

[wamco]

And what is a glory years bandwagon btw ?

[L54]

Exactly, saying people who still use the term retards don't come off as intelligent is pretty high and mighty. That being said, if didn't go to college, you are a f***ing dipshit

 

Watch out guys we've got a bad ass over here.

 

I agree with your general premise about the word retard, but that's about where our similarities start and end.

[wamco]

Oh ya?

Well I'm glad that you were brave enough to take the risk of aligning yourself with me on the stance on the r word. Props .

 

Welcome to the bad ass side.

[L54]

Oh ya?

Well I'm glad that you were brave enough to take the risk of aligning yourself with me on the stance on the r word. Props .

 

Welcome to the bad ass side.

 

Nah, took the stance long before you.

 

Saves are still useless though.

[Spanky99]

Not sure what you are biting on, but sure. Same answer for both. Better counting stats and I loved all five players. 200 more saves for Hoff, Colorado effect for walker. If they got in, I'd be happy about it, but didn't get my vote this year. Oh and the jays bias for mcgriff helped some of course. It would be interesting to see

The voting if he got 7 more hr the strike shortened 94 season and ended with 500.

 

You're an idiot. Whomever sticks up for the BBWAA process, is borderline retarded, or old as f***. Oh yeah...

[Spanky99]

Oh, that was just a sidenote regarding Sheffield, why isn't the crowd that wants to let the suspected ped guys in rushing to his defense? Honest question. Guys numbers gets him easily for me

 

And c.f. ers are underrepresented in the hall

 

Whoosh, straight over your head. There's an argument for Sheffield, but he's no Bonds, etc...