Chris Davis Free Agency Discussion

[highhard2]

The stupid really comes out on this board whenever one of these rumors surface. Not that it isn't always there,it is,just not usually as prolific.

 

My condolences to NJH as the sole beacon of light in the dark dark place that has become the BJMB brain trust.

[baloojayz]

Hate to crush winter meetings hype and excitement, but lol, 2 things here...

 

We have about 4-5M to spend given the rumored internal spending cap imposed by Rogers.

The Canadian dollar doesn't look like it's going to make a miraculous recovery any time soon.

 

And Alex is out in favor of Shapiro. Big longterm contracts probably aren't happening no matter whom it is and how much they want to play in Toronto

[admin]

Shapiro is probably kicking the tires on Davis vs EE/Bau extension. If EE and Bau want too much, and Davis can be had at a better valued contract, then sign Davis, and move EE/Bau and get a good prospect/pitcher in return. That way instead of one of them leaving and there being an offensive gap, it will be filled by Davis.

Trade Bautista for Strasburg. Boom. Come at me bro.

[burlingtonbandit]

Shapiro is probably kicking the tires on Davis vs EE/Bau extension. If EE and Bau want too much, and Davis can be had at a better valued contract, then sign Davis, and move EE/Bau and get a good prospect/pitcher in return. That way instead of one of them leaving and there being an offensive gap, it will be filled by Davis.

Trade Bautista for Strasburg. Boom. Come at me bro.

 

Shapiro probably hasn't seriously considered Davis at all or trading Bautista/Edwin. I can't see JB or EE accepting a trade before the season starts.

[JFD]

I hope we get Davis. A lefty power bat like him would make this lineup unstoppable.

[flafson]

Money wise they would have to move both Edwin and Bautista, in what world does that make sense? Even in Dodgers land it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If you're into Davis money, might as well just get Cespedes, at least he can field.

[SantosLHalper21]

Hate to crush winter meetings hype and excitement, but lol, 2 things here...

 

We have about 4-5M to spend given the rumored internal spending cap imposed by Rogers.

The Canadian dollar doesn't look like it's going to make a miraculous recovery any time soon.

 

And Alex is out in favor of Shapiro. Big longterm contracts probably aren't happening no matter whom it is and how much they want to play in Toronto

 

There are trades too.

 

They could conceivably trade Edwin, Dickey, Thole (about 24-25 million right there in salary) and acquire young, cheap talented prospects for them. I'm sure a team like the Astros could really elevate themselves with a bat like Edwin in the middle of that lineup and could use the experience that Dickey provides. Starters like Mark Appel, Lance McCullers, Mike Feliz, Francis Martes are bound to interest the Jays as well as SS Alex Bregman. If Edwin can come with an extension in place in a sign and trade...you never know.

 

Who knows though..knowing Shapiro's track record of gauging the Indians, he could deal all of them for Carlos Carrasco..but I'm grasping at straws on that one.

[Brownie19]

There are trades too.

 

They could conceivably trade Edwin, Dickey, Thole (about 24-25 million right there in salary) and acquire young, cheap talented prospects for them. I'm sure a team like the Astros could really elevate themselves with a bat like Edwin in the middle of that lineup and could use the experience that Dickey provides. Starters like Mark Appel, Lance McCullers, Mike Feliz, Francis Martes are bound to interest the Jays as well as SS Alex Bregman. If Edwin can come with an extension in place in a sign and trade...you never know.

 

Who knows though..knowing Shapiro's track record of gauging the Indians, he could deal all of them for Carlos Carrasco..but I'm grasping at straws on that one.

 

This sounds amazing. EE (screw 10/5 rights), Dickey and Thole for Bregman!!!

[Brownie19]

Money wise they would have to move both Edwin and Bautista, in what world does that make sense? Even in Dodgers land it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If you're into Davis money, might as well just get Cespedes, at least he can field.

 

That's an interesting debate - Do you take Davis or Cespedes? Unless you're convinced the improvements Cespedes made with both the bat and the glove last year are sustainable, then Davis is a superior player (in spite if his defensive short comings).

[The Cats Ass]

Guys the delta between Chris Davis and Jason Heyward could be well over $100 million, total contract. Heyward's contract might end up being Chris Davis' contract TIMES TWO, END TO END.

 

A contract centipede, if you will. Ass to mouth contracts.

 

It's silly to say that if they can sign Chris then they should just sign Jay. Just silly.

 

Have you been going through my google history to find that comparison

 

Ever see the move, The Human Centipede?

[Muck Bartinez]

I thought I remember reading an article about how once you reach a certain distance from the mean in terms of run scoring or prevention, it makes sense to keep adding to that strength. Adding another huge bat to this lineup could have compounding effects that would not exist if the same player was added to a worse (or context neutral) lineup.

[The Cats Ass]

How many runs would a line up like this score?

 

Travis

Donaldson

Bautista

Davis

EE

Tulo

Martin

Pillar

Revere/Pompey

[burlingtonbandit]

I thought I remember reading an article about how once you reach a certain distance from the mean in terms of run scoring or prevention, it makes sense to keep adding to that strength. Adding another huge bat to this lineup could have compounding effects that would not exist if the same player was added to a worse (or context neutral) lineup.

 

Yeah its true. If you increase the offensive production you will increase the number of PA for the top of the order since you will be turning the lineup over more often. The increase in value would show up in the players at the top of the lineup's WAR.

[Sammy225]

How many runs would a line up like this score?

 

Travis

Donaldson

Bautista

Davis

EE

Tulo

Martin

Pillar

Revere/Pompey

 

I am not saying that lineup wouldn't make me hard as hell i just think it makes no sense lol

[Grant77]

How many runs would a line up like this score?

 

Travis

Donaldson

Bautista

Davis

EE

Tulo

Heyward

Martin

Pillar

 

Ftfy

[The Cats Ass]

I am not saying that lineup wouldn't make me hard as hell i just think it makes no sense lol

 

Makes complete sense, if Davis comes cheaper or same price as an EE extension. Let EE walk next year and receive the pick for him.

[Governator]

Sounds like a credible source...

[Olerud363]

How many runs would a line up like this score?

 

Travis

Donaldson

Bautista

Davis

EE

Tulo

Martin

Pillar

Revere/Pompey

 

1103 -- no probably not

 

850 or so I'd say... less then last year actually... but there will be regression from other players... I doubt Jays would be projected for 900 even with Chris Davis... 850 still would lead the league by 100 or something silly.

[The Cats Ass]

Bluejays would also have a chance to do something that's never been done before, have four hitters hit 40 HRs.

[Governator]

It honestly just smells like Rogers using a hockey contact as the guinee pig to stir the pot after the EE rumour.

[The Cats Ass]

I thought I remember reading an article about how once you reach a certain distance from the mean in terms of run scoring or prevention, it makes sense to keep adding to that strength. Adding another huge bat to this lineup could have compounding effects that would not exist if the same player was added to a worse (or context neutral) lineup.

 

Only makes sense.

[gruber92]

Ftfy

 

Signing both Davis and Heyward isn't happening. I've said months ago that signing Davis would make sense if the term is no longer than four years, preferably three. The Jays have to make a move regarding Bautista and EE, with the most likely outcome being trading EE for young pitching. We have a crazy line up as is, but a LHH power bat would provide a nice balance.

 

Sign Davis and two late inning type relievers and call it a day.

[baloojayz]

Signing both Davis and Heyward isn't happening. I've said months ago that signing Davis would make sense if the term is no longer than four years, preferably three. The Jays have to make a move regarding Bautista and EE, with the most likely outcome being trading EE for young pitching. We have a crazy line up as is, but a LHH power bat would provide a nice balance.

 

Sign Davis and two late inning type relievers and call it a day.

 

Isn't it easier to assume we cannot trade JB or EE at this point? Even so who would trade away young pitching for older players with no control? esp considering they are both DH's at this point.

If anyone is gonna be traded for cap relief it's either Tulo, Dickey or both. Doubt it's Dickey given we just signed Thole and have no backup catcher and need SP.

 

I know this thread and the winter meetings thread is full of stuff that has no chance of happening, but still...

[gruber92]

Isn't it easier to assume we cannot trade JB or EE at this point? Even so who would trade away young pitching for older players with no control? esp considering they are both DH's at this point.

If anyone is gonna be traded for cap relief it's either Tulo, Dickey or both. Doubt it's Dickey given we just signed Thole and have no backup catcher and need SP.

 

I know this thread and the winter meetings thread is full of stuff that has no chance of happening, but still...

 

A team on the cusp of making a serious post season splash in need of a power bat like EE's would probably trade a young #2-3 type for one year of EE, if they have an abundance of young pitching of course.

[THANOS]

A team on the cusp of making a serious post season splash in need of a power bat like EE's would probably trade a young #2-3 type for one year of EE, if they have an abundance of young pitching of course.

 

If it were that simple, I would trade EE+ to the Cards for Carlos Martinez, though I think the "+" would have to be a lot.

[bowld]

If Davis comes here you can say goodbye to EE

[Followthelight]

LOL at this rumour....Jays don;t have the money and have 3 First basemen now. Makes zero sense. Maybe Davis's agent leaking this to drive up his clients price. EE trade then maybe, but why did we sign Smoak then?

[gruber92]

If it were that simple, I would trade EE+ to the Cards for Carlos Martinez, though I think the "+" would have to be a lot.

 

I mentioned that trade earlier this year, but someone pointed out that Carlos Martinez suffered a scary type of shoulder injury, although i have no details. EE in the NL is probably not a good idea though. It would cost a bit more than EE alone as you said. EE may be easier to trade at the deadline, although the team he's going to would pretty much have to be guaranteed to make the post season or else he'd veto.

[Frenchsoup]

Can we start the season so i don't have to hear anymore EE,JB,Tulo trade offers?

[Angrioter]

If it were that simple, I would trade EE+ to the Cards for Carlos Martinez, though I think the "+" would have to be a lot.

I have that desire for two years