Can the Blue Jays keep this going next year?

[Spanky99]

I disagree. Your post is bad too: the AL East is not impossible to win without an ace, but it's going to be really, really, REALLY tough. Before we had Price and Tulo we had a .500 record. Price was the missing piece of the puzzle that allowed us to win the division. Obviously Stroman and Tulo played a role but I would argue that Price's impact was greater.

 

*sighs*

[CJ-Freeway]

*sighs*

 

Oh, come on Spanky. You know what I said makes sense.

 

We were a .500 team at the trade deadline. Obviously we didn't have Stro to help us out, but what ultimately made the biggest difference between July 31st and the end of the season was the presence of Price.

[THANOS]

Bobcat made an interesting analogy yesterday when he said, "Price had a much bigger impact than just his on-field performance, there was a clear psychological aspect that his presence had on his team-mates. As they say, 'the high tide raises all ships'". I believe that, and it would be foolish to deduce Price's contributions to "only" stats. These are human beings after all.

[CJ-Freeway]

Bobcat made an interesting analogy yesterday when he said, "Price had a much bigger impact than just his on-field performance, there was a clear psychological aspect that his presence had on his team-mates. As they say, 'the high tide raises all ships'". I believe that, and it would be foolish to deduce Price's contributions to "only" stats. These are human beings after all.

 

Excellent point. Something sparked this team once Price arrived. It was like when Goku arrived on Namek to save his friends and kick some ass. Lol

[burlingtonbandit]

Bobcat made an interesting analogy yesterday when he said, "Price had a much bigger impact than just his on-field performance, there was a clear psychological aspect that his presence had on his team-mates. As they say, 'the high tide raises all ships'". I believe that, and it would be foolish to deduce Price's contributions to "only" stats. These are human beings after all.

 

I'm not the biggest "chemistry" guy when it comes to baseball but I do agree that Price gives you intangibles that make the team better. Its clear how much Stroman looked up to him as a role model. Even Latroy Hawkins was very important for the bullpen. That being said I'm not going to give a guy 200 Million because he's a great leader and role model.

 

But if it came down to where player A was worth 3 WAR and a bad teammate and Player B was worth 2.5 WAR and a great teammate I'd be more inclined to have player B.

[Angrioter]

Bobcat made an interesting analogy yesterday when he said, "Price had a much bigger impact than just his on-field performance, there was a clear psychological aspect that his presence had on his team-mates. As they say, 'the high tide raises all ships'". I believe that, and it would be foolish to deduce Price's contributions to "only" stats. These are human beings after all.

 

Yep. For that matter AA is a genius.

McDonald, DeRosa, Vizquel, Hawkins, Oliver

[Key22]

So spend all our free agent money on pitching?

 

Yes - spend all the free agent money on pitching - pitching is why we lost. Adding Price was why we won the division - pitching wins - KS had great pitching and shut the best offense in baseball down - had an elite offense go 0-12 in critical situations. Pitching, Pitching and more pitching. If you can add pitching to baseball's best offense - go for it. The bonus is that this free agent class has tons of it. Price has illustrated that he's not exactly a stud in the playoffs - it's the excuse the team can sell to the fans not to pay him. Adding Zimmerman at less cash - and another quality arm settles the rotation.

 

Stroman is on an innings limit remember - Sanchez too if he goes to the rotation - Osuna too if he goes to the rotation. We lose 200 innings in MB.

 

Stroman (innings cap)

Dickey - (not getting younger or better)

 

That's the rotation. Hutchison proved last year that he isn't good enough for a MLB starting rotation job - at least not for a contending team (otherwise he'd make the roster over Tepera/Hendriks - so if he isn't better than those two - uggh - you better have a super light pencil to be putting him on the rotation depth chart.

 

Playoff teams arguably need 8 starting pitchers - 3 back-ups that can step in and not be complete embarrassments. Hutch has to be considered the 8th man. With Stroman and Dickey - that's 3 - where are the other 5? The pen also loses Lowe and Hawkins.

 

Articles suggest signing Davis and then trading EE for pitching. I'd rather not do that but it makes sense when looking at the money. Still I don't see why Toronto can't pony up $170 million payroll - this team got tons of fans and tons of viewer numbers - the second half I believe they had the biggest numbers in all of baseball - this is a big market club with deep pockets. It's not $300m LA deep but it's still deep.

[Stangstag]

Yes - spend all the free agent money on pitching - pitching is why we lost. Adding Price was why we won the division - pitching wins - KS had great pitching and shut the best offense in baseball down - had an elite offense go 0-12 in critical situations. Pitching, Pitching and more pitching. If you can add pitching to baseball's best offense - go for it. The bonus is that this free agent class has tons of it. Price has illustrated that he's not exactly a stud in the playoffs - it's the excuse the team can sell to the fans not to pay him. Adding Zimmerman at less cash - and another quality arm settles the rotation.

 

Stroman is on an innings limit remember - Sanchez too if he goes to the rotation - Osuna too if he goes to the rotation. We lose 200 innings in MB.

 

Stroman (innings cap)

Dickey - (not getting younger or better)

 

That's the rotation. Hutchison proved last year that he isn't good enough for a MLB starting rotation job - at least not for a contending team (otherwise he'd make the roster over Tepera/Hendriks - so if he isn't better than those two - uggh - you better have a super light pencil to be putting him on the rotation depth chart.

 

Playoff teams arguably need 8 starting pitchers - 3 back-ups that can step in and not be complete embarrassments. Hutch has to be considered the 8th man. With Stroman and Dickey - that's 3 - where are the other 5? The pen also loses Lowe and Hawkins.

 

Articles suggest signing Davis and then trading EE for pitching. I'd rather not do that but it makes sense when looking at the money. Still I don't see why Toronto can't pony up $170 million payroll - this team got tons of fans and tons of viewer numbers - the second half I believe they had the biggest numbers in all of baseball - this is a big market club with deep pockets. It's not $300m LA deep but it's still deep.

 

Jesus christ.

[Grant77]

Yes - spend all the free agent money on pitching - pitching is why we lost. Adding Price was why we won the division - pitching wins - KS had great pitching and shut the best offense in baseball down - had an elite offense go 0-12 in critical situations.

 

Kansas Sity?

[candymartinez]

Yes - spend all the free agent money on pitching - pitching is why we lost. Adding Price was why we won the division - pitching wins - KS had great pitching and shut the best offense in baseball down - had an elite offense go 0-12 in critical situations. Pitching, Pitching and more pitching. If you can add pitching to baseball's best offense - go for it. The bonus is that this free agent class has tons of it. Price has illustrated that he's not exactly a stud in the playoffs - it's the excuse the team can sell to the fans not to pay him. Adding Zimmerman at less cash - and another quality arm settles the rotation.

 

Stroman is on an innings limit remember - Sanchez too if he goes to the rotation - Osuna too if he goes to the rotation. We lose 200 innings in MB.

 

Stroman (innings cap)

Dickey - (not getting younger or better)

 

That's the rotation. Hutchison proved last year that he isn't good enough for a MLB starting rotation job - at least not for a contending team (otherwise he'd make the roster over Tepera/Hendriks - so if he isn't better than those two - uggh - you better have a super light pencil to be putting him on the rotation depth chart.

 

Playoff teams arguably need 8 starting pitchers - 3 back-ups that can step in and not be complete embarrassments. Hutch has to be considered the 8th man. With Stroman and Dickey - that's 3 - where are the other 5? The pen also loses Lowe and Hawkins.

 

Articles suggest signing Davis and then trading EE for pitching. I'd rather not do that but it makes sense when looking at the money. Still I don't see why Toronto can't pony up $170 million payroll - this team got tons of fans and tons of viewer numbers - the second half I believe they had the biggest numbers in all of baseball - this is a big market club with deep pockets. It's not $300m LA deep but it's still deep.

 

Too much dumb in this post.

[burlingtonbandit]

Was watching PTS and Jon Morosi kept coming back to Stroman not throwing as many innings because of the injury last year. Like wtf do you not realize it wasn't an arm injury.... He was throwing throughout his rehab anyway..

 

Maybe that is where he got it from but its completely stupid.

[puphood]

Cecil looked by far the best of the bull pen the second half of the year and it will be interesting were he ends up in the bull pen at the beginning of 2016. Are they going to try and make him a closer again?

[wamco]

committee with sanchez