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[GD]

Ian Kennedy is good

 

Happ might be too lol

[Boxcar]

Proovin in da ay el eest

[DerangedIdoit]

Devon Travis and Dalton Pompey for Noah Syndergaard

 

EE for Lance Lynn

 

Dickey for 2 effective, cheap and controllable bullpen arms

 

Sign Chris Davis

 

Sign a Chris Young or Rich Hill type of low risk high reward cheap contract for the 5th Starter.

[Brownie19]

Devon Travis and Dalton Pompey for Noah Syndergaard

 

EE for Lance Lynn

 

Dickey for 2 effective, cheap and controllable bullpen arms

 

Sign Chris Davis

 

Sign a Chris Young or Rich Hill type of low risk high reward cheap contract for the 5th Starter.

 

Well at least your User ID is accurate.

[Brownie19]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/11/04/padres-leaning-toward-making-qualifying-offer-to-ian-kennedy/

 

If he declines the QO - I could see him being this years Ervin Santana.....He isn't good enough to sign to a 5-6 year deal and he's not good enough to give up a draft pick on a 2-3 year deal....

 

 

That said - despite his FB tendencies, I like Kennedy and think he's a good fit. Ideally, we'd pair him with Shark

[gruber92]

Why do people keep talking about trading EE or bats?

 

What's funnier is people talking about trading Osuna.

 

WTF?

[Laika]

What's funnier is people talking about trading Osuna.

 

WTF?

 

Shouldn't we talk about trading everybody? There's a price for everything. Pretty close-minded to be categorically opposed to trading certain players.

[gruber92]

Shouldn't we talk about trading everybody? There's a price for everything. Pretty close-minded to be categorically opposed to trading certain players.

 

Yes but Osuna is just the type of player that anybody in need would trade for. I don't think you can even fathom trading him without realizing what he can bring as a starter.

[Laika]

Yes but Osuna is just the type of player that anybody in need would trade for. I don't think you can even fathom trading him without realizing what he can bring as a starter.

 

So he'd have high demand and tantalizing upside.

 

Sounds like a pretty good trade chip!

[Stangstag]

So he'd have high demand and tantalizing upside.

 

Sounds like a pretty good trade chip!

 

Also sounds like a guy you would want to hold on to.

[Laika]

I didn't say that I would want to trade him, lol. Tards.

[Hipfan]

So he'd have high demand and tantalizing upside.

 

Sounds like a pretty good trade chip!

 

What about Osuna, Sanchez, Pompey for Syndergaard?

[GD]

What about Osuna, Sanchez, Pompey for Syndergaard?

 

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[dineke]

What about Osuna, Sanchez, Pompey for Syndergaard?

 

Why would we want syndergaard when we have dickey?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

How bout not!!! Thanks ^

[thatoneguy]

I didn't say that I would want to trade him, lol. Tards.

 

Bbandit wants to for some reason. Sanchez should be traded way before Osuna.

[Boxcar]

Also sounds like a guy you would want to hold on to.

 

Biomechanic extraordinaire NJH says he's got late timing and an inverted H delivery so likely best to trade him.

[Brownie19]

Biomechanic extraordinaire NJH says he's got late timing and an inverted H delivery so likely best to trade him.

 

There is a good chance he's right...

[glory]

It will take two seasons of stretching out for Osuna to be anywhere near ready to handle a starter's workload, and I don't think they'd demote him to accomplish that after the season he had in 2015.

 

I don't want to trade Osuna, but if they've made him a reliever long-term, then I'd be open to it. That's why you don't promote 20 year old's from A-ball to the Majors and give them 70 innings of workload when they should be in the minors developing. Thanks Alex.

[THANOS]

It will take two seasons of stretching out for Osuna to be anywhere near ready to handle a starter's workload, and I don't think they'd demote him to accomplish that after the season he had in 2015.

 

I don't want to trade Osuna, but if they've made him a reliever long-term, then I'd be open to it. That's why you don't promote 20 year old's from A-ball to the Majors and give them 70 innings of workload when they should be in the minors developing. Thanks Alex.

 

Meh, work him in the same way the Indians did for Carrasco in 2014. Give him 14 starts and 130 innings in 2016, and then give him 30 starts and 180 innings in 2017.

 

I'd give Hendriks/Hutch the other 14 starts in 2016.

[burlingtonbandit]

Bbandit wants to for some reason. Sanchez should be traded way before Osuna.

 

There's a good chance Osuna is at peak value. I think a good comparison is Nafteli Feliz. Came up through the system looking like an elite arm, started out in the bullpen and dominated. After a couple of really good years in the pen to start out his career he just never was the same. They tried to convert him to a starter and it didn't work out and by the time he moved back to the pen he was bad.

[thatoneguy]

There's a good chance Osuna is at peak value. I think a good comparison is Nafteli Feliz. Came up through the system looking like an elite arm, started out in the bullpen and dominated. After a couple of really good years in the pen to start out his career he just never was the same. They tried to convert him to a starter and it didn't work out and by the time he moved back to the pen he was bad.

 

Only way I'd trade him is if it means we're getting an elite SP with more than a year of control back.

[burlingtonbandit]

I would trade him for anything depending on the value coming back. If thats a position player so be it. I feel like you could replace him with a FA like Lowe and not have much of a drop off. Cecil and Hendriks are the best relievers on the team IMO and would be just as good closing.

[Brownie19]

There's a good chance Osuna is at peak value. I think a good comparison is Nafteli Feliz. Came up through the system looking like an elite arm, started out in the bullpen and dominated. After a couple of really good years in the pen to start out his career he just never was the same. They tried to convert him to a starter and it didn't work out and by the time he moved back to the pen he was bad.

 

I remember reading an article a few years ago (for fantasy baseball) on relievers turned starters. It doesn't work out very well. There are a lot of injuries and simply bad pitching associated with the move in the short term...

[nmrch]

I remember reading an article a few years ago (for fantasy baseball) on relievers turned starters. It doesn't work out very well. There are a lot of injuries and simply bad pitching associated with the move in the short term...

 

Well most prospects who are initially put in the bullpen have struggled as starters so that doesn't tell you a whole lot. Osuna on the other hand has never been given a chance to fail. I honestly think he should be untouchable or close to it. The kind of skills he's displayed at age 20(a young 20 too), you gotta roll the dice and see what he does instead of presuming he's at his "peak"

[nmrch]

It will take two seasons of stretching out for Osuna to be anywhere near ready to handle a starter's workload, and I don't think they'd demote him to accomplish that after the season he had in 2015.

 

I don't want to trade Osuna, but if they've made him a reliever long-term, then I'd be open to it. That's why you don't promote 20 year old's from A-ball to the Majors and give them 70 innings of workload when they should be in the minors developing. Thanks Alex.

 

Alex Anthopolous is no longer the GM of the Jays, there's no reason to beleive Shapiro will support depreciating long term assets for marginal short term gains. Its kind of amazing how everyone thinks AA "got it right" on Osuna because he had a decent season in the bullpen. He might be more valuable to the Jays right now if he threw ~120 innings in A+ and AA and put up good numbers.

[burlingtonbandit]

Alex Anthopolous is no longer the GM of the Jays, there's no reason to beleive Shapiro will support depreciating long term assets for marginal short term goals. Its kind of amazing how everyone thinks AA "got it right" on Osuna because he had a decent season in the bullpen. He might have had more value for the Jays if he threw ~120 innings in A+ and AA and put up good numbers.

 

I don't think there is any question Osuna was very valuable for the club in the pen. Are you forgetting how bad the pen was in the first half of the season when Osuna was really the only one performing for a while.

[nmrch]

I don't think there is any question Osuna was very valuable for the club in the pen. Are you forgetting how bad the pen was in the first half of the season when Osuna was really the only one performing for a while.

 

It was partly bad because of Alex's(and Gibby's) own making, by demoting relievers based on one appearance(Cecil) and putting faith in a guy like Castro when it was apparent he wasn't even ready for A+ ball let alone the big leagues. BTW, Hendricks was consistent all season and if i remember correctly either put up similar or better numbers than Osuna. And also if you remember we flat out let a couple of relievers go on waivers when there was a good reason to believe they could have helped us, over a guy like Castro.

[burlingtonbandit]

It was partly bad because of Alex's(and Gibby's) own making, by demoting relievers based on one appearance(Cecil) and putting faith in a guy like Castro when it was apparent he wasn't even ready for A+ ball let alone the big leagues. BTW, Hendricks was consistent all season and if i remember correctly either put up similar or better numbers than Osuna. And also if you remember we flat out let a couple of relievers go on waivers when there was a good reason to believe they could have helped us, over a guy like Castro.

 

Yeah Hendriks should of seen more high leverage situations. IIRC Cecil simply wasn't good in the first couple of months so that move was justified IMO. Those relievers we let go on waivers turned out to be s*** so they really wouldn't of helped the team.

[Brownie19]

It was partly bad because of Alex's(and Gibby's) own making, by demoting relievers based on one appearance(Cecil) and putting faith in a guy like Castro when it was apparent he wasn't even ready for A+ ball let alone the big leagues. BTW, Hendricks was consistent all season and if i remember correctly either put up similar or better numbers than Osuna. And also if you remember we flat out let a couple of relievers go on waivers when there was a good reason to believe they could have helped us, over a guy like Castro.

 

Cecil was awful early on before he tweaked his mechanics...removing him from the closers role was the right move. Inserting Castro....apparently was not, although obviously putting Osuna there was and it's hard to really blame Gibby for giving Castro a shot - especially when you see how successful Osuna was.