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Josh Donaldson Wins Hank Aaron Award

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This thread is aids. Congrats Donaldson. I don't know why people care so much. I bet Trout is losing zero sleep over this.
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This award is akin to a film winning an Oscar. It's never the "best" film that wins, just what's popular / promoted well, so the award doesn't mean much. This too is just a flashy / trite award that probably doesn't deserve much analysis.

 

Basically Trout is Saving Private Ryan and Donaldson is Shakespeare in Love.

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Basically Trout is Saving Private Ryan and Donaldson is Shakespeare in Love.

 

I don't like this comparison; Shakespeare in Love was an utter piece of s***.

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I don't like this comparison; Shakespeare in Love was an utter piece of s***.

 

OK more like Hurt Locker winning over Avatar?

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Wow did Donaldson really have Trout beat in baserunning according to fangraphs? Hmm, dunno about that one.

 

Blue Jays were one of the better teams in base running last season. Probably not because of speed but more to do with good fundamentals and picking good spots to run on.

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I'm actually pretty proud there's only one blue jay homer in this thread. This is a good board.

 

I agree in general with this sentiment, but this is the same board which confidently predicted that AA could get along with Shapiro.

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Didn't realize there was also a narrative attached to "best offensive player." Seems pretty straightforward and the writers still f***ed it up. Dude keeps getting unjustly robbed.

 

I thought the purpose of the Hank Aaron award is best offensive player. Forget defense, baserunning, leadership and what the team won.

 

Seems obvious Trout was better with the bat.

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Trout was robbed. Donaldson should personally fly to his house in Millville, NJ and deliver it the rightful award winner.
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Wow did Donaldson really have Trout beat in baserunning according to fangraphs? Hmm, dunno about that one.

 

Trout's base running has fallen off a cliff from age 20-23. He was 49-5 in sb/cs in 2012. 11-7 last year. His defense has fallen too.

 

According to fangraphs in 2012 his defense and baserunning added up to +27, last year it was +5ish

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I thought the purpose of the Hank Aaron award is best offensive player. Forget defense, baserunning, leadership and what the team won.

 

Seems obvious Trout was better with the bat.

 

Well baserunning is an aspect of offense. That doesn't mean that JD had the edge on Trout over this, though.

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Trout's base running has fallen off a cliff from age 20-23. He was 49-5 in sb/cs in 2012. 11-7 last year. His defense has fallen too.

 

According to fangraphs in 2012 his defense and baserunning added up to +27, last year it was +5ish

 

Trout had been explicitly told by Angels' management not to run in fear of him getting injured.

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Blue Jays were one of the better teams in base running last season. Probably not because of speed but more to do with good fundamentals and picking good spots to run on.

 

Pillar is fast, Revere is fast, Donaldson is fast, Martin runs very well for a catcher, Reyes runs very well, Goins is quick, Travis is quick, etc.

 

Negative points probably mostly come from Bautista's hilariously poor baserunning.

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Pillar is fast, Revere is fast, Donaldson is fast, Martin runs very well for a catcher, Reyes runs very well, Goins is quick, Travis is quick, etc.

 

Negative points probably mostly come from Bautista's hilariously poor baserunning.

 

Encarnacion, Navarro, & 1/3 of Martin's season.

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EE is actually a good baserunner when he isn't battling a hammy problem

 

I think he is a smart baserunner. He is slow though. That year he got 12-15 steals was pretty impressive for his speed.

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Jays were more aggressive going from 1st to 3rd and 2nd to home this year. I thought Luis Rivera was much better this year.
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Uhmm.. So let's look at all the numbers JD did well in but ignore wRC+ for what reason? That's probably the most important figure when evaluating offensive production and that one was nearly 20pts higher for a reason...

 

Was that reason the 14 intentional walks that Trout got to Donaldson's 0? If we're going to strip away Donaldson's RBI, because they're so context-dependent, then we should also examine the context of Trout's inflated OBP due to playing with a s***** lineup around him.

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Was that reason the 14 intentional walks that Trout got to Donaldson's 0? If we're going to strip away Donaldson's RBI, because they're so context-dependent, then we should also examine the context of Trout's inflated OBP due to playing with a s***** lineup around him.

 

 

Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

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Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

 

Really? I actually didn't know that. Trout should have won anyway, I'm just being contrarian.

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Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

 

They are since they are a part of OBP, but Trout's OBP remains higher without the IBB. Let alone he plays in a pitchers paradise. Trout was clearly the better offensive player.

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how many of Donaldson's hits were direct game winners? he was a walk off wizard the first half.

 

Have to remember he also had tons of chances to win the game. I remember off the top of my head at least 3 chances to win the game with runners on base in the bottom of the inning that he failed.

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