Jump to content
Jays Centre
  • Create Account

Josh Donaldson Wins Hank Aaron Award

Governator

By Governator
in Toronto Blue Jays Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

Jonn MVP

Jonn

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
This thread is aids. Congrats Donaldson. I don't know why people care so much. I bet Trout is losing zero sleep over this.
  • Replies 73
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Governator Vancouver Canadians

Governator

Community Moderator
Posted
  • Author
Posted
This award is akin to a film winning an Oscar. It's never the "best" film that wins, just what's popular / promoted well, so the award doesn't mean much. This too is just a flashy / trite award that probably doesn't deserve much analysis.

 

Basically Trout is Saving Private Ryan and Donaldson is Shakespeare in Love.

vdubmvp FCL Blue Jays

vdubmvp

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Basically Trout is Saving Private Ryan and Donaldson is Shakespeare in Love.

 

I don't like this comparison; Shakespeare in Love was an utter piece of s***.

Governator Vancouver Canadians

Governator

Community Moderator
Posted
  • Author
Posted
I don't like this comparison; Shakespeare in Love was an utter piece of s***.

 

OK more like Hurt Locker winning over Avatar?

flafson First Round Pick

flafson

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
Wow did Donaldson really have Trout beat in baserunning according to fangraphs? Hmm, dunno about that one.

 

Blue Jays were one of the better teams in base running last season. Probably not because of speed but more to do with good fundamentals and picking good spots to run on.

Praxis College Ball

Praxis

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
I'm actually pretty proud there's only one blue jay homer in this thread. This is a good board.

 

I agree in general with this sentiment, but this is the same board which confidently predicted that AA could get along with Shapiro.

Olerud363 FCL Blue Jays

Olerud363

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Didn't realize there was also a narrative attached to "best offensive player." Seems pretty straightforward and the writers still f***ed it up. Dude keeps getting unjustly robbed.

 

I thought the purpose of the Hank Aaron award is best offensive player. Forget defense, baserunning, leadership and what the team won.

 

Seems obvious Trout was better with the bat.

King All-Star

King

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Trout was robbed. Donaldson should personally fly to his house in Millville, NJ and deliver it the rightful award winner.
Olerud363 FCL Blue Jays

Olerud363

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Wow did Donaldson really have Trout beat in baserunning according to fangraphs? Hmm, dunno about that one.

 

Trout's base running has fallen off a cliff from age 20-23. He was 49-5 in sb/cs in 2012. 11-7 last year. His defense has fallen too.

 

According to fangraphs in 2012 his defense and baserunning added up to +27, last year it was +5ish

Orgfiller All-Star

Orgfiller

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
I thought the purpose of the Hank Aaron award is best offensive player. Forget defense, baserunning, leadership and what the team won.

 

Seems obvious Trout was better with the bat.

 

Well baserunning is an aspect of offense. That doesn't mean that JD had the edge on Trout over this, though.

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

Captain Adama

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Trout's base running has fallen off a cliff from age 20-23. He was 49-5 in sb/cs in 2012. 11-7 last year. His defense has fallen too.

 

According to fangraphs in 2012 his defense and baserunning added up to +27, last year it was +5ish

 

Trout had been explicitly told by Angels' management not to run in fear of him getting injured.

Boxcar All-Star

Boxcar

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Blue Jays were one of the better teams in base running last season. Probably not because of speed but more to do with good fundamentals and picking good spots to run on.

 

Pillar is fast, Revere is fast, Donaldson is fast, Martin runs very well for a catcher, Reyes runs very well, Goins is quick, Travis is quick, etc.

 

Negative points probably mostly come from Bautista's hilariously poor baserunning.

Governator Vancouver Canadians

Governator

Community Moderator
Posted
  • Author
Posted
Pillar is fast, Revere is fast, Donaldson is fast, Martin runs very well for a catcher, Reyes runs very well, Goins is quick, Travis is quick, etc.

 

Negative points probably mostly come from Bautista's hilariously poor baserunning.

 

Encarnacion, Navarro, & 1/3 of Martin's season.

reedjohnsonfan Dunedin Blue Jays

reedjohnsonfan

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
EE is actually a good baserunner when he isn't battling a hammy problem

 

I think he is a smart baserunner. He is slow though. That year he got 12-15 steals was pretty impressive for his speed.

Atothe Vancouver Canadians

Atothe

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Jays were more aggressive going from 1st to 3rd and 2nd to home this year. I thought Luis Rivera was much better this year.
Dr. Dinger GOAT

Dr. Dinger

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Uhmm.. So let's look at all the numbers JD did well in but ignore wRC+ for what reason? That's probably the most important figure when evaluating offensive production and that one was nearly 20pts higher for a reason...

 

Was that reason the 14 intentional walks that Trout got to Donaldson's 0? If we're going to strip away Donaldson's RBI, because they're so context-dependent, then we should also examine the context of Trout's inflated OBP due to playing with a s***** lineup around him.

Governator Vancouver Canadians

Governator

Community Moderator
Posted
  • Author
Posted
Was that reason the 14 intentional walks that Trout got to Donaldson's 0? If we're going to strip away Donaldson's RBI, because they're so context-dependent, then we should also examine the context of Trout's inflated OBP due to playing with a s***** lineup around him.

 

 

Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

Dr. Dinger GOAT

Dr. Dinger

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

 

Really? I actually didn't know that. Trout should have won anyway, I'm just being contrarian.

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

Captain Adama

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Pretty sure intentional walks are not included in wOBA/wRC+ ?

 

They are since they are a part of OBP, but Trout's OBP remains higher without the IBB. Let alone he plays in a pitchers paradise. Trout was clearly the better offensive player.

burlingtonbandit New Hampshire Fisher Cats

burlingtonbandit

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
how many of Donaldson's hits were direct game winners? he was a walk off wizard the first half.

 

Have to remember he also had tons of chances to win the game. I remember off the top of my head at least 3 chances to win the game with runners on base in the bottom of the inning that he failed.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund

You all care about this site. The next step is caring for it. We’re asking you to caretake this site so it can remain the premier Blue Jays community on the internet.

Become a Caretaker

  • Member Statistics

    20,997
    Total Members
    48,845
    Most Online
    Sarahh
    Newest Member
    Sarahh
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...