Offseason Roster Thread

[RealAccountant]

I don't think innings as big of a concern as most people make it out to be.

 

Yes I fully expect Hutch to start. Chavez has experience being the swing man. When he was acquired they compared him to Estrada last year.

[Jimcanuck]

Nope, lol

 

you aren't elite

[DuckDuckGose]

I don't think innings as big of a concern as most people make it out to be.

 

Yes I fully expect Hutch to start. Chavez has experience being the swing man. When he was acquired they compared him to Estrada last year.

 

He's never thrown more than 70 innings. He threw 65% more innings last year than his previous career high. He isn't going to jump up 100IP (to the 170 inning range you'd expect from a SP) this year so he isn't going to start. It's not even really an option.

 

Hutch may make the team as the 5th starter but then the BP will be even better.

[GD]

I'm too elite

[RealAccountant]

He's never thrown more than 70 innings. He threw 65% more innings last year than his previous career high. He isn't going to jump up 100IP (to the 170 inning range you'd expect from a SP) this year so he isn't going to start. It's not even really an option.

 

Hutch may make the team as the 5th starter but then the BP will be even better.

 

I don't value Chavez much. I don't see him as much of a contributor. Hendrik's was far more useful and could have really taken a huge step forward as becoming an elite reliever this year.

 

That trade deserves a lot of criticism especially after the Happ signing. Chavez had huge variances in his home and road splits. Opponents hitting almost .800 ops outside of Oakland.

 

I don't think they make that deal after the Happ signing. Maybe they weren't sure if Happ will sign.

[DuckDuckGose]

Nope, lol

 

I don't value Chavez much. I don't see him as much of a contributor. Hendrik's was far more useful and could have really taken a huge step forward as becoming an elite reliever this year.

 

That trade deserves a lot of criticism especially after the Happ signing. Chavez had huge variances in his home and road splits. Opponents hitting almost .800 ops outside of Oakland.

 

I don't think they make that deal after the Happ signing. Maybe they weren't sure if Happ will sign.

Seems like a false narrative.

 

FIP Home v Away = 3.96 v 3.74

xFIP Home v Away = 3.97 v 3.81

 

Obviously more to it than simply comparing DIPS but I think Chavez will be pretty good at the RC. IMO you outlined exactly why they needed a guy like Chavez. You hope Hutch can bounce back and if you do you have a very good longman and 6th SP when injuries hit. If Hutch doesn't bounce back you have a gaping hole in the rotation and no viable replacement (Hutch, Sanchez, then Jenkins?) for the rotation. Ultimately I'll take a good high leverage guy (like Hendriks) over a longman (Chavez) but they needed depth and Hendriks was behind 4 or 5 guys for high leverage innings. May as well trade a guy that would be underutilized for someone who fills a big need.

 

TLDR: Due to the glut of high leverage arms Hendriks isn't as valuable to the Jays as Chavez

[Grant77]

The thing with that trade is that I was sure it meant we would be signing a couple bullpen guys. So if you have Chavez and sign someone like Madson or something, I think that's a good move. But I don't know what we're doing with the bullpen so that trade is a head scratcher right now.

 

I wanted nothing to do with Madson at 3/21 whether we needed arms or not.

[DuckDuckGose]

I wanted nothing to do with Madson at 3/21 whether we needed arms or not.

 

Madson would be behind Cecil and Osuna on the depth chart paying him $7M to be the 3rd or 4th guy (I'd rather give Sanchez those innings anyways) would be a huge waste of payroll.

[BTS]

I wanted nothing to do with Madson at 3/21 whether we needed arms or not.

 

Yeah. I was hoping for a signing, but the relief contracts have been insanity. Trading Hendriks for Chavez is really the only questionable decision this offseason. Maybe the team underestimated the cost of signing a Hendriks replacement? Chavez is going to need to throw 150+ good innings for this to look god.

[G-Snarls]

Yankees Shopping Ivan Nova

 

By Zach Links | December 22, 2015 at 2:13pm CST

 

The Yankees have let opposing teams know that Ivan Nova is available via trade, according to George A. King III of the New York Post. It’s not surprising that Nova is being made available after a rough 2015 and it’s also not surprising to hear that there isn’t great interest in him at this time.

 

It’s hard to envision a team giving up a ton for the 29-year-old since he’s a year away from free agency and coming off a season that was cut short by recovery from Tommy John surgery. Nova logged just 94 innings with an unsightly 5.07 ERA, averaging just 6.0 K/9 against 3.2 BB/9 with a 49 percent ground-ball rate this past season.

[glory]

Yeah. I was hoping for a signing, but the relief contracts have been insanity. Trading Hendriks for Chavez is really the only questionable decision this offseason. Maybe the team underestimated the cost of signing a Hendriks replacement? Chavez is going to need to throw 150+ good innings for this to look god.

 

Yeah, it looks like they envisioned being able to sign a Hendriks replacement for a reasonable price but then the middle relief market exploded. They seemed to predict the SP market, but misjudged the relief market.

[GD]

Yeah, it looks like they envisioned being able to sign a Hendriks replacement for a reasonable price but then the middle relief market exploded. They seemed to predict the SP market, but misjudged the relief market.

 

I'd prefer this than the other way around, to be honest.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah, it looks like they envisioned being able to sign a Hendriks replacement for a reasonable price but then the middle relief market exploded. They seemed to predict the SP market, but misjudged the relief market.

 

Doubt it. If this was true, they would have signed a bullpen guy, THEN made the trade.

 

They simply see Chavez as a much more valuable, affordable, and reliable piece in a contention year.

[BigCecil]

Yeah, it looks like they envisioned being able to sign a Hendriks replacement for a reasonable price but then the middle relief market exploded. They seemed to predict the SP market, but misjudged the relief market.

 

I thought it was a good deal although I'm interested to see if they try to use Hendriks in a spot start or middle relief role...or see him as a high leverage late inning guy. Something Gibby didn't see in him.

[THANOS]

McCown grilling Beeston, embarrassing himself in the process.

[Frenchsoup]

McCown grilling Beeston, embarrassing himself in the process.

 

Isn't Beeston his buddy?

[Trouba95]

Lol kinda funny. McCown is talking on behalf of all the casual fans.

[THANOS]

Isn't Beeston his buddy?

 

Yes but he's probing him like a casual fan would.

 

Lol kinda funny. McCown is talking on behalf of all the casual fans.

 

Yep, pretty clownish.

[glory]

Doubt it. If this was true, they would have signed a bullpen guy, THEN made the trade.

 

They simply see Chavez as a much more valuable, affordable, and reliable piece in a contention year.

 

They definitely view Chavez as the more valuable piece, otherwise they don't make that trade. I think they clearly view Chavez as a SP and the "swing man" talk is just window dressing in case someone like Hutchison dominates in spring training. However they still have to add a reliever to replace Hendriks (even though Gibby didn't use him properly). They likely envisioned a reliever being easier to acquire as opposed to a SP, so they took that gamble. But the relief market went crazy and now they have to adjust.

 

As GD mentioned above, I'd rather they have been right about the SP market, so I'm fine with how things played out. If the Jays still had Hendriks in the pen and needed to find a 2 win starter in free agency, then they would have been in a worse position. Leake getting the type of contract he got makes Estrada/Happ/Chavez look a hell of a lot better. Hoping one of their RP options busts out in the spring is a risk I'd be willing to take.

[Abomination]

I wonder if Stilson could figure into the pen (we still have him, don't we)?

[King]

I wonder if Stilson could figure into the pen (we still have him, don't we)?

 

His arm is dead.

[DuckDuckGose]

They definitely view Chavez as the more valuable piece, otherwise they don't make that trade. I think they clearly view Chavez as a SP and the "swing man" talk is just window dressing in case someone like Hutchison dominates in spring training. However they still have to add a reliever to replace Hendriks (even though Gibby didn't use him properly). They likely envisioned a reliever being easier to acquire as opposed to a SP, so they took that gamble. But the relief market went crazy and now they have to adjust.

 

As GD mentioned above, I'd rather they have been right about the SP market, so I'm fine with how things played out. If the Jays still had Hendriks in the pen and needed to find a 2 win starter in free agency, then they would have been in a worse position. Leake getting the type of contract he got makes Estrada/Happ/Chavez look a hell of a lot better. Hoping one of their RP options busts out in the spring is a risk I'd be willing to take.

 

Pretty sure they knew they could get a MRP, like Biagini, to replace Hendriks in the Rule V. And they did.

[Spanky99]

I thought it was a good deal although I'm interested to see if they try to use Hendriks in a spot start or middle relief role...or see him as a high leverage late inning guy. Something Gibby didn't see in him.

 

They see him as a set up man. Was reported right after the trade.

[Spanky99]

His arm is dead.

 

Did he re-injure his labrum, or just hasn't made it back? I see he pitched a whopping 1.1 innings in high A.

[G-Snarls]

Hey, guess what???

 

We don't have to pay Ricky Romero anymore!!!

 

http://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/images-016/headshots/8/87f738cf_davis.jpg

 

Woohoo!!!

[BigCecil]

They see him as a set up man. Was reported right after the trade.

 

Thanks Spank. I had seen that. I know that initially that's what he will do. I'm just interested to see if his role evolves as the season moves on. I liked that Aussie.

[burlingtonbandit]

Keith Pelley on PTS saying over 50% of Jays revenue would be in USD. More like 60% or 70% would be in USD (he mumbled a bit at that point).

 

Don't worry Rogers will come out and say they have to pay for baseballs and bats in USD so that has to be in consideration. It seems obvious that Rogers makes a lot of excuses about Payroll year after year. 5 year FA rule, Currency, Constant blabber of how the $ will be there if they are in contention in July.

[RealAccountant]

Keith Pelley on PTS saying over 50% of Jays revenue would be in USD. More like 60% or 70% would be in USD (he mumbled a bit at that point).

 

I think that number has some substance when you consider mlb network deal revenue which I think is at least $50-60 Mil combined with the merchandise and the licensing revenue. Of course Rogers won't make as much profit as the would with a better fx

[RealAccountant]

Ben Revere for Luke Hochevor

[THANOS]

Ben Revere for Luke Hochevor

 

No.