Offseason Roster Thread

[GD]

Hendriks is best as a swingman. Leave him where he is.

 

Did you not even read his post

[Governator]

When he came in long relief it seemed he threw 93-94 so there may be something to that. But do you want to be yo-yoing him around like that after he proved to be so successful in the pen?

 

I get that, but he could be more successful than Hutchison, Sanchez or Osuna as a SP... We just don't know what this version of himself brings. I don't think there is an issue giving him a couple 3+ inning appearances in Spring Training.

[burlingtonbandit]

I get that, but he could be more successful than Hutchison, Sanchez or Osuna as a SP... We just don't know what this version of himself brings. I don't think there is an issue giving him a couple 3+ inning appearances in Spring Training.

 

Yeah stretching him out in ST seems pretty harmless. Seems like he could be a number 4 starter if he could maintain some of the velocity as a starter. Obviously won't be averaging 95 as a SP but even 93 would be a big step up.

 

He probably has more value in the pen being a Wade Davis like set up guy than a number 4 starter though even if the "WAR" total is lower.

[Laika]

Martin was the 2nd best Blue Jay and a ~5 win player in 2015

[Hawkins]

Offseason moves.

Offer a QA to Estrada. If he accepts he’s only over paid by $5 million on a 1 year deal. NO player has ever accepted because he will find a 4 year $40 million offer somewhere. Draft pick!

Check the trade value of Bautista, Tulo and EE. Jays aren’t likely to resign EE and Bautista so now’s the time to maximize the return. I do know they need to waive to no-trade rights.

Could Tulo get us Lucas Giolito and Trea Turner?

Revere and one of (EE, Smoak, Colobello) need to be moved. Controllable arms would be the target here.

Free Agent Targets:

Scott Kazmir, Jeff Samardzija and Jordan Zimmerman.

[RealAccountant]

I don't think Jays will get a FA starter. More likely through a trade.

[Governator]

I don't think Jays will get a FA starter. More likely through a trade.

 

 

$100 says you're wrong.

[L54]

Offseason moves.

Offer a QA to Estrada. If he accepts he’s only over paid by $5 million on a 1 year deal. NO player has ever accepted because he will find a 4 year $40 million offer somewhere. Draft pick!

Check the trade value of Bautista, Tulo and EE. Jays aren’t likely to resign EE and Bautista so now’s the time to maximize the return. I do know they need to waive to no-trade rights.

Could Tulo get us Lucas Giolito and Trea Turner?

Revere and one of (EE, Smoak, Colobello) need to be moved. Controllable arms would be the target here.

Free Agent Targets:

Scott Kazmir, Jeff Samardzija and Jordan Zimmerman.

 

-To offer Marco the QO you have to be certain he declines. Over paying 5 million is ~1/6th of the offseason budget.

-I will be surprised if Bautista or EE waive their 10/5, Tulo isn't worth a much in a trade.

-No, he doesn't get you even close to that. Donaldson does though.

-EE likely the only one of those three that has any value. EE>>>>CC>>Smoak

-Good targets, likely only able to get one of them though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Martin was the 2nd best Blue Jay and a ~5 win player in 2015

 

Game calling I think would have to be included to really get a true measure of catcher ability. But its really something that is so tough to quantify. Navarro seem like a guy who would get a boost by his game calling since he seem to work really well with Buehrle and Estrada.

[Slugger]

Martin was the 2nd best Blue Jay and a ~5 win player in 2015

 

I don't know if this is facetious or not.

[Stangstag]

Game calling I think would have to be included to really get a true measure of catcher ability. But its really something that is so tough to quantify. Navarro seem like a guy who would get a boost by his game calling since he seem to work really well with Buehrle and Estrada.

 

Completely baseless speculation

[Captain Adama]

I don't know if this is facetious or not.

 

It's not

[RealAccountant]

$100 says you're wrong.

 

I don't have a $100 but I think Osuna is a starter next year and if Estrada is back you have your five starters

 

Rotation is likely Stroman Dickey Hutch Estrada and Osuna

[Terminator]

Offseason moves.

Offer a QA to Estrada. If he accepts he’s only over paid by $5 million on a 1 year deal. NO player has ever accepted because he will find a 4 year $40 million offer somewhere. Draft pick!

Check the trade value of Bautista, Tulo and EE. Jays aren’t likely to resign EE and Bautista so now’s the time to maximize the return. I do know they need to waive to no-trade rights.

Could Tulo get us Lucas Giolito and Trea Turner?

Revere and one of (EE, Smoak, Colobello) need to be moved. Controllable arms would be the target here.

Free Agent Targets:

Scott Kazmir, Jeff Samardzija and Jordan Zimmerman.

 

This team is a serious World Series contender. Why would we start selling off our veterans for prospects?

[Governator]

I don't have a $100 but I think Osuna is a starter next year and if Estrada is back you have your five starters

 

Rotation is likely Stroman Dickey Hutch Estrada and Osuna

 

 

 

It's very unlikely Estrada accepts a QO, pretty sure Shapiro won't sign him beyond 1 year. Hutch has no guaranteed roster spot and I would think will be fighting with Osuna and others for 1 job.

[BTS]

lol @ Tulo returning Giolito and Turner. He just got traded for a small fraction of that, and the Rockies ate Reyes' contract. They could probably get like Tanner Roark or something.

[Angrioter]

lol @ Tulo returning Giolito and Turner. He just got traded for a small fraction of that, and the Rockies ate Reyes' contract. They could probably get like Tanner Roark or something.

 

Tulo for Difo and Roark

[Frenchsoup]

lol @ Tulo returning Giolito and Turner. He just got traded for a small fraction of that, and the Rockies ate Reyes' contract. They could probably get like Tanner Roark or something.

 

You know Tulo is amazing right?

[burlingtonbandit]

Unless you are getting a really good package including a young SS can't see Tulo being traded. If you are going to trade a Veteren player EE makes a lot more sense since you could easily acquire a DH or use it as a rest position for the other position players. There really aren't any starting SS out there available.

[BTS]

You know Tulo is amazing right?

 

Contracts exist, and he has a long and very scary injury history. It's the reason why Colorado pretty much gave him away. If they could have had more, they would have traded him for more.

[Hawkins]

This team is a serious World Series contender. Why would we start selling off our veterans for prospects?

 

Trading a couple of pieces is far from selling off. The Jays have a surplus of position players. They need arms and the farm can use some depth.

EE: Could get us a quality arm and give defensive flexibility. He's great but could walk next year and losing one hitter doesn't cripple this lineup.

Can't get the right offer for EE then Tulo: Goins can replace him defensively and losing his bat with the other hitters in this lineup is not that much of an issue if you can get pieces that will help you short and long term.

Same with Bautista and Revere: Can be replaced in the out field and losing their bats to add arms or MLB ready prospects will not cripple this lineup.

 

I never wrote trade them all, just need to find there value and trading the surplus now to benefit us long term. They out scored there opponents by over 100 runs. They can afford to trade now to support the future. I guess you would rather be the Yankees, old and expensive!

[o2cui2i]

Contracts exist, and he has a long and very scary injury history. It's the reason why Colorado pretty much gave him away. If they could have had more, they would have traded him for more.

 

risk management.... if Tulo is healthy for 4 years he'll be great to have around, but if he's not that salary could be crippling for the team. I could see them trading him this off season, but I doubt it's on the "to do" list.

[RealAccountant]

It's very unlikely Estrada accepts a QO, pretty sure Shapiro won't sign him beyond 1 year. Hutch has no guaranteed roster spot and I would think will be fighting with Osuna and others for 1 job.

 

I think Hutch is still seen as a starter. Shapiro said in his conference that we need two starters, if you take Hutch out if the equation than were 3 starters short

[Frenchsoup]

Contracts exist, and he has a long and very scary injury history. It's the reason why Colorado pretty much gave him away. If they could have had more, they would have traded him for more.

 

They got Hoffman who had tons of value on the trade market and looks like he could be a stud. Castro and Tinoco aren't throw in's either. Tulo is 31 not old by any means, he plays a smart game that should keep him on the field. It was a pretty freak accident what happened to him, o ya and he played through it and played well.

[Frenchsoup]

I also don't think Colorado knew how bad Reyes and his contract were.

[BTS]

They got Hoffman who had tons of value on the trade market and looks like he could be a stud. Castro and Tinoco aren't throw in's either. Tulo is 31 not old by any means, he plays a smart game that should keep him on the field. It was a pretty freak accident what happened to him, o ya and he played through it and played well.

 

Unless they knew they could move Reyes, he's basically a wash with the prospects value-wise. This trade was 100% Colorado not wanting to be on the hook for Tulo's contract going forward. Which makes sense, because how many teams would offer him 5/100 this offseason? A couple IMO.

[burlingtonbandit]

Contracts exist, and he has a long and very scary injury history. It's the reason why Colorado pretty much gave him away. If they could have had more, they would have traded him for more.

 

I'm not sure I fully believe this. Colorado has a pretty bad FO and teams didn't even know they were going to trade him. Just like the Oakland trade, I think teams would of given up a lot more if they knew the FO was going to trade him.

[burlingtonbandit]

Unless they knew they could move Reyes, he's basically a wash with the prospects value-wise. This trade was 100% Colorado not wanting to be on the hook for Tulo's contract going forward. Which makes sense, because how many teams would offer him 5/100 this offseason? A couple IMO.

 

Tulo gets wayyy more than 5/100 on the open market. We are talking about a HOF type talent.

[Frenchsoup]

Unless they knew they could move Reyes, he's basically a wash with the prospects value-wise. This trade was 100% Colorado not wanting to be on the hook for Tulo's contract going forward. Which makes sense, because how many teams would offer him 5/100 this offseason? A couple IMO.

 

I think he gets that easily. SS is the most wanted position in the MLB, there aren't many good ones. So Tulo is probably a lot more valuable then you think.

[BTS]

Tulo gets wayyy more than 5/100 on the open market. We are talking about a HOF type talent.

 

A 31-year old HOF talent averaging 98 games a year over the last 4 years, coming off a 100 wRC+ season, and projected at 3.5 wins.