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[fatcowxlive]

Yes. We scored like 200 more runs than the Royals but let's try to be exactly like them.

 

Awful.

 

Yeah, what the actual f***. We have the best offence in baseball. Just get a couple of starters and fix the BP and we're taking the AL East by a landslide

[SantosLHalper21]

why is it you think me switching the order is blasphemy? I'm proposing an order that allows us to score even more runs...and I don't care so much about our record in 1-run games...its the record when we score 4 or less runs that concerns me. Fact is..if the Jays scored 5 runs in game 6, we'd be having a game 7. Their 0 for 12 with RISP concerned me, the fact if they don't hit a HR in a game, they have a crappy record too. Sorry, but what I want is a more balanced lineup that will allow the Jays to play small ball and long ball all in 1 shot. I just don't get why you think this is outrageous...I honestly don't see the problem.

[fatcowxlive]

why is it you think me switching the order is blasphemy? I'm proposing an order that allows us to score even more runs...and I don't care so much about our record in 1-run games...its the record when we score 4 or less runs that concerns me. Fact is..if the Jays scored 5 runs in game 6, we'd be having a game 7. Their 0 for 12 with RISP concerned me, the fact if they don't hit a HR in a game, they have a crappy record too. Sorry, but what I want is a more balanced lineup that will allow the Jays to play small ball and long ball all in 1 shot. I just don't get why you think this is outrageous...I honestly don't see the problem.

 

What more balanced lineup? You do know that Donaldson reaches on base more likely than Travis right?

[SantosLHalper21]

sigh..I'm not talking about everyone bunting and everyone stealing bases. All I'm really proposing is moving out small ball portion of the lineup from 8,9,1 (Pillar/Travis(or Goins)/Revere) to 9, 1, 2 (Pillar, Revere, Travis (or Goins)). We play ball the same way, we just give the players who have speed...more of an opportunity to use it.

 

If we don't get a hit in the 1st, we open the 2nd with Donaldson ( a decent contact hitter who gets on base and hits with power), followed by Edwin, Tulo, and Colabello...really I don't see the issue.

[intentional wok]

Their 0 for 12 with RISP concerned me, the fact if they don't hit a HR in a game, they have a crappy record too. Sorry, but what I want is a more balanced lineup that will allow the Jays to play small ball and long ball all in 1 shot. I just don't get why you think this is outrageous...I honestly don't see the problem.

 

Why does that "balance" equal more runs? Moving Donaldson down in the order doesn't necessarily mean he gets to bat in more runs. That just means that Travis and Jose will get the opportunities first (and, if successful, will mean there is no one for Donaldson to drive in). Also, more PAs for Donaldson over a season means more chances for a home run. Take 50 PAs from him by dropping him a few spots in the order and how many home runs do you lose? Donaldson had like a .370 OBP this year, to boot. He is a reason for all the baserunners the Jays have had this year. You're taking baserunner frequency for granted when shifting your highest on-base guys down in the order.

 

But most importantly, answer this:

 

Would you have wanted Devon Travis, assuming good health, to be our last batter of the season last night instead of Josh Donaldson?

[SantosLHalper21]

What more balanced lineup? You do know that Donaldson reaches on base more likely than Travis right?

 

Travis .361

Donaldson .371

 

percentage points different. Travis isn't a guy like Goins with a .290 OBP, Travis was .361 OBP and a Rookie of the Year Candidate before he went down with injury. AND, he was playing injured for a portion of the year and his hitting took a hit as a result.

 

Honestly, I think this allows the Jays to score at least a run more per game, and puts more pressure on the opposing teams' defence and pitching having Pillar/Revere using their speed and Travis doing what he does best, driving the ball opposite field and moving runners so the thunder can drive in the runs.

[intentional wok]

Travis .361

Donaldson .371

 

percentage points different. Travis isn't a guy like Goins with a .290 OBP, Travis was .361 OBP and a Rookie of the Year Candidate before he went down with injury. AND, he was playing injured for a portion of the year and his hitting took a hit as a result.

 

Honestly, I think this allows the Jays to score at least a run more per game, and puts more pressure on the opposing teams' defence and pitching having Pillar/Revere using their speed and Travis doing what he does best, driving the ball opposite field and moving runners so the thunder can drive in the runs.

 

Travis: 239 PAs

Donaldson: 711 PAs

 

That's a one-third sample size of Travis vs. Donaldson. Not to mention Donaldson's previous body of work in 2013 and 14.

 

You can't call a kid who played, even played well, for one third of a season a ROY candidate. That's ridiculous.

 

But even if you could...

 

MVP Candidate >> ROY Candidate

[fatcowxlive]

Travis .361

Donaldson .371

 

percentage points different. Travis isn't a guy like Goins with a .290 OBP, Travis was .361 OBP and a Rookie of the Year Candidate before he went down with injury. AND, he was playing injured for a portion of the year and his hitting took a hit as a result.

 

Honestly, I think this allows the Jays to score at least a run more per game, and puts more pressure on the opposing teams' defence and pitching having Pillar/Revere using their speed and Travis doing what he does best, driving the ball opposite field and moving runners so the thunder can drive in the runs.

 

Uhhhhh you think Travis would have put up those numbers throughout the entire year? You're comparing the numbers of a guy who played a 1/4 of the year to a full season, come on

[dineke]

I hope to god Revere isn't leading off ever again if he's back next year.

[SantosLHalper21]

Josh Donaldson hit 20/41 Homers this year which we solo shots (those were just games he finished with 1 HR and 1 RBI). I'm sure there were more games where he hit a solo shot and got ANOTHER RBI later.

 

Half of his home runs..at least..came with nobody on. Sorry..but him hitting 4th would allow him to drive in more runs. Yeah..he might see 50 less at bats, but so what I don't have a problem if that means he hits more non-solo home runs.

 

And who knows about Travis...maybe he finishes the year with 600 AB's and a .340 OBP if he was healthy. The kid can hit and has drawn comparisons to Dustin Pedroia for a reason. You guys are so negative its sickening.

[Boxcar]

Josh Donaldson hit 20/41 Homers this year which we solo shots (those were just games he finished with 1 HR and 1 RBI). I'm sure there were more games where he hit a solo shot and got ANOTHER RBI later.

 

Half of his home runs..at least..came with nobody on. Sorry..but him hitting 4th would allow him to drive in more runs. Yeah..he might see 50 less at bats, but so what I don't have a problem if that means he hits more non-solo home runs.

 

And who knows about Travis...maybe he finishes the year with 600 AB's and a .340 OBP if he was healthy. The kid can hit and has drawn comparisons to Dustin Pedroia for a reason. You guys are so negative its sickening.

 

That's actually a pretty good ratio, lol.

 

Mike Trout: 31 of 41 homers were solo shots.

Nelson Cruz: 31 of 44

Bryce Harper: 25 of 42

 

Why do you post something like that when you don't even know it works against the point you're clumsily trying to make?

[glory]

Get a manager that knows who his best relievers are (combined with the random luck of the game), and the team's record in one run games would improve. No small ball required.

[dineke]

Get a manager that knows who his best relievers are (combined with the random luck of the game), and the team's record in one run games would improve. No small ball required.

 

Don't think AA would fire gibby.

[L54]

Hitting Donaldson 4th isn't a bad idea if you put Bautista at two, Edwin at three.

 

Travis

Bautista

Edwin

Donaldson

[SantosLHalper21]

That's actually a pretty good ratio, lol.

 

Those are just Solo Home runs games where he finished with a HR and an RBI. I looked into it...28/41 of his HR's were solo blasts. Sorry..but he's a middle of the order bat. He hit so many first inning home runs with nobody on this year..I think he led the league.

[fatcowxlive]

Hitting Donaldson 4th isn't a bad idea if you put Bautista at two, Edwin at three.

 

Travis

Bautista

Edwin

Donaldson

 

Generally speaking you'd want your best hitter batting second. Gibby's batting order is really good

[Angrioter]

93 wins and best offensive team at MLB

 

We don't need to emulate the f***ing Royals

[SantosLHalper21]

Hitting Donaldson 4th isn't a bad idea if you put Bautista at two, Edwin at three.

 

Travis

Bautista

Edwin

Donaldson

 

You have the same problem the Jays have now. Fact is in a perfect world Donaldson/Jose/Edwin should hit in the first inning 1,2,3 seeing as how they're our best OBP players...but sadly..they are middle of the order bats...and they should hit there.

[Boxcar]

Those are just Solo Home runs games where he finished with a HR and an RBI. I looked into it...28/41 of his HR's were solo blasts. Sorry..but he's a middle of the order bat. He hit so many first inning home runs with nobody on this year..I think he led the league.

 

Yeah and yet he hit just as many home runs with runners on as the best of the best middle of the order hitters.

[L54]

Generally speaking you'd want your best hitter batting second. Gibby's batting order is really good

 

Thanks, tips.

[fatcowxlive]

Get a manager that knows who his best relievers are (combined with the random luck of the game), and the team's record in one run games would improve. No small ball required.

 

He was really good at BP management last year and the year before. We just really had a s*** BP. With the exception of Hendriks I think he used the BP decently well this year (in the Post Season he was trash because he overthought every move). If we improve the BP and have more than one serviceable LOOGY, Gibby's BP decisions will improve too

[ElNik2013]

It shouldn't be about moving Donaldson out of the 2nd spot and inserting Travis in his place. Just hit Travis lead-off, as suggested above.

 

Also, I still think Pompey will be the leaf-off guy in the near future, he's consistently walked at a 10% clip in minors, how about this:

 

Pompey

Donaldson

Bautista

EE

Tulowitzki

Travis

1B/Martin

Martin/1B

Pillar.

[baubau]

Josh Donaldson hit 20/41 Homers this year which we solo shots (those were just games he finished with 1 HR and 1 RBI). I'm sure there were more games where he hit a solo shot and got ANOTHER RBI later.

 

Half of his home runs..at least..came with nobody on. Sorry..but him hitting 4th would allow him to drive in more runs. Yeah..he might see 50 less at bats, but so what I don't have a problem if that means he hits more non-solo home runs.

 

And who knows about Travis...maybe he finishes the year with 600 AB's and a .340 OBP if he was healthy. The kid can hit and has drawn comparisons to Dustin Pedroia for a reason. You guys are so negative its sickening.

 

That's actually a pretty good ratio, lol.

 

Mike Trout: 31 of 41 homers were solo shots.

Nelson Cruz: 31 of 44

Bryce Harper: 25 of 42

 

Why do you post something like that when you don't even know it works against the point you're clumsily trying to make?

 

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[L54]

You have the same problem the Jays have now. Fact is in a perfect world Donaldson/Jose/Edwin should hit in the first inning 1,2,3 seeing as how they're our best OBP players...but sadly..they are middle of the order bats...and they should hit there.

 

It's not really a problem rolling out three OBP sluggers in a row 2/3/4. It's actually the farthest thing from a problem. You listened to too much Joe Buck the last week.

[ElNik2013]

He was really good at BP management last year and the year before. We just really had a s*** BP. With the exception of Hendriks I think he used the BP decently well this year (in the Post Season he was trash because he overthought every move). If we improve the BP and have more than one serviceable LOOGY, Gibby's BP decisions will improve too

 

Not true. He misused Cecil for a good chunk of the year and Lowe since they acquired him because of a couple of bad outings. He also misused Sanchez. I bailed on Gibbons's BP usage since 2014 when he scoffed at using his best relievers early in a game to bail out Morrow and keep game close.

 

Remember, Cecil blew his first save opportunity and lost his closer's role right away.

 

Anyway, Gibbons will be back 'cause he's AA's buddy. It's sort of how Beeston wasn't gonna fire AA because he hired him in some part because he could probably influence him and have some say in baseball ops.

[dineke]

Really hope Tulo bounces back next year and that this season wasn't the start of the decline. If he's the real Tulo again he should go back to leadoff in front of Donaldson/Jose/Edwin.

[Effit]

Let's just draw the batting order out of a hat since the current order was so unproductive.

[SantosLHalper21]

If the Jays can't make adjustments to the bullpen and rotation, my order would make some sense. If AA improves the bullpen, brings in another good lefty, and another veteran righty, and signs up Estrada/Price/Leake (example)...then the Jays order can stay the same. I don't see anyone beating them.

 

And btw...what adjustment did the Royals make this year that made their offence real hard to beat? And for that matter, they also adjusted their rotation.

 

They went from having Billy Butler/Nori Aoki/Infante to having Morales/Rios/Zobrist....and they went from having Aoki hitting 2nd to Zobrist, Morales hitting 5th. They also replaced Jason Vargas and Jeremy Guthrie in their playoff rotation with Volquez and Cueto. They also lost Shields and replaced him with Young. So the rotation might be kind of a wash.

 

But you see what I'm getting at...that team went to the World Series and saw their issues and addressed them. Do you not think that maybe making their offence a little more dynamic and dangerous would be in the Jays best interest? Use the players they have like they're supposed to. Look what happened to the Yankees with Ellsbury and Gardner, who finished each with their lowest SB totals of their careers in a full season. The Yankees relied on the long ball, but the difference between the Jays and them was the Jays had a much better starting rotation and a much better lineup top to bottom. The Yankees bullpen was filthy 7/8/9.

 

That team lost in game 7 of the World Series.

[Krylian]

And our record in 1-run games? 13-35. When scoring 4 or less runs? like 15-50 and 0-6 in the postseason.

 

This is basically an order that will allow us to use our speed and score EVEN more runs when the pitching is getting good..it allows us to still hit power home runs, but also allows us to play small ball when we have to. The way the order was set up this year, the only chance for small ball happened at the bottom of the order. Why not try it at the top of the order instead? Seeing as how they get more at bats. Just my thoughts

 

Bad record scoring less than 4 runs.... Perhaps pitching????? Perhaps defence???

 

The offence is not the problem. Don't f*** it up.

[SantosLHalper21]

That's actually a pretty good ratio, lol.

 

Mike Trout: 31 of 41 homers were solo shots.

Nelson Cruz: 31 of 44

Bryce Harper: 25 of 42

 

Why do you post something like that when you don't even know it works against the point you're clumsily trying to make?

 

And?

 

Where did all of those teams finish? Not in the playoffs...maybe because they didn't hit more non-solo shots? Maybe that would've helped. The difference is the Jays lineup 1-9 is much better than those 3 teams. The Royals had 6/9 hitters with OBP over .340. Toronto had 3 (5 if you count Colabello who was used every other day, and Revere who arrived for 220 AB's).

 

Good pitching will always beat good hitting...maybe I'm just thinking outside the box in hopes this team can score more runs when the pitching is good....but yeah..I'm spewing blasphemy and I don't know anything.