Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Jimcanuck]

The Jose Barrero ranking stands out the most imo

 

The Kirby one for me

[Olerud363]

The rankings are quite volatile, understandable given the absence of MiLB in 2020. Not having numbers from 2020 really affects the assessments.

 

Yeah. Kirk had 50 at bats at aaa and hit .350 with good line drive power

 

Two 22 year olds

 

MILB

 

.331 .414 .531

.317 .416 .503

 

MLB

 

.287 .368 .516

.296 .359 .521

 

One is god of hitting, generational talent. Battling Fernando Tatis for best player in baseball.

 

One can catch and has lower sample size so is like the 80th best prospect in baseball

 

The missing year is screwing things up still and this entire batch of players is going to have huge variance. Kirk is performing like like Vlad Guerrero kind of... but with 50 high minor at bats and 80 mlb at bats we don't really know if that is real. It probably isn't because most fat people aren't VGJR

[BlueRocky]

Baseball America Top 100 update:

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2021-top-100-prospects/

 

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Gabriel Moreno

Blue JaysC

Notes:

Tools: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 30 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 55

Skinny: On a team littered with Top 100 prospects, Moreno’s start to the season has been loud. Moreno has always been a good athlete with the hand-eye coordination to make a lot of contact, but swing adjustments and more strength have helped his power show up more in games.

 

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Alek Manoah

Blue JaysRHP

Notes:

Tools: Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50

Skinny: After only ascending as high as the short-season level in his pro debut, Manoah reintroduced himself with authority during big league spring training. Using a powerful mixture of four- and two-seam fastballs and a slider and changeup, Manoah struck out 15 over seven one-hit innings spread across two outings. Scouts were especially impressed by the slider, which flashed as high as a 70-grade offering during one outing. The Blue Jays have pumped out a steady stream of hard-throwers in recent years, and Manoah could be next up.

 

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Austin Martin

Blue JaysSS/OF

Notes:

Tools: Hit: 70 | Power: 55 | Run: 55 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 50

Skinny: The fifth overall pick in 2020 is an impressive young hitter, although his future position is up in the air.

 

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Nate Pearson

Blue JaysRHP

Notes:

Tools: Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 70 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55

Skinny: Pearson has arguably the best pure stuff of any pitching prospect. Staying healthy and improving his control are his next steps to fulfilling his frontline potential. So far, that’s not happening this year, as Pearson re-aggravated a strain of his right groin during spring training.

 

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Orelvis Martinez

Blue JaysSS

Notes:

Tools: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 45 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 60

Skinny: Martinez might have to move to third base, but potentially plus hittability and power will help him profile there.

 

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Jordan Groshans

Blue JaysSS

Notes:

Tools: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 50 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 60

Skinny: There is a strong belief in Groshans' bat, but both the Blue Jays and general observers are more than ready to see him return to playing games that count.

 

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Alejandro Kirk

Blue JaysC

Notes:

Tools: Hit: 70 | Power: 50 | Run: 20 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 50

Skinny: Evaluators are split on whether Kirk can stay behind the plate, but he should hit for average and power.

 

2021 Draft Picks:

34 - Jordan Lawlar (6)

35 - Marcelo Mayer (4)

37 - Jack Leiter (2)

51 - Henry Davis (1)

66 - Kumar Rocker (10)

87 - Kahlil Watson (16)

93 - Brady House (11)

96 - Jackson Jobe (3)

 

2020 Draft Picks:

6 - Spencer Torkelson (1)

21 - Austin Martin (5)

24 - Reid Detmers (10)

27 - Cade Cavalli (22)

38 - Max Meyer (3)

42 - Tyler Soderstrom (26)

45 - Jordan Walker (21)

50 - Robert Hassell (8)

54 - Emerson Hancock (6)

56 - Bobby Miller (29)

63 - Garrett Mitchell (20)

64 - Nick Gonzalez (7)

73 - Asa Lacy (4)

76 - Jake Eder (104)

78 - Mick Abel (15)

94 - Zac Veen (9)

95 - Kyle Harrison (85)

Edited July 26, 2021 by BlueRocky

[Krylian]

For a #12 prospect Moreno's grades feel underwhelming.

[Benito]

I could be wrong, but they might not have updated the grades, or some of the writeups. Some of them look familiar from the start of the season.

[InvincibleTiger]

For a #12 prospect Moreno's grades feel underwhelming.

 

My thoughts exactly

[Laika]

For a #12 prospect Moreno's grades feel underwhelming.

 

I don't think they updated grades, at least not for everybody. He should at least be 60 hit 50 power based on the reports

[Ray]

Nick Gonzales is kind of sucking right now in High-A. Same draft class as Austin Martin. Actually, most college hitters from the 1st round last year are not doing so well barring Spencer Torkelson. Only Austin Martin, Garrett Mitchell, & Torkelson are even in AA.

 

So with that in mind, a 128 wRC+ for Martin with a .417 OBP in AA is pretty fantastic. Really the only concerning thing is the lack of power, but I expect him to start roping doubles when he gets more comfortable. The floor for him is really high in my eyes.

 

edit: My goodness, Austin Martin's college numbers are nutty: Career slashline of .368/.474/.532 in the SEC with more walks than K's. For reference, Bregman in SEC slashed .337/.409/.514.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I read somewhere that Martin hurt his hand and it's affected his swing somewhat. This might be why the power hasn't shown up yet if true.

[Jimcanuck]

I read somewhere that Martin hurt his hand and it's affected his swing somewhat. This might be why the power hasn't shown up yet if true.

 

Yes he actually changed his swing due to the injury. At some point he will go back to his full powered cut.

[Grant77]

The updating process started some time ago, and may not reflect Groshans recently catching fire. There's always a lag to these things.

 

It really goes to show that the difference between the 30th and 80th best prospect is just a couple weeks of good or bad games. People get too upset over a few spots in rankings.

[Spanky__99]

Yes he actually changed his swing due to the injury. At some point he will go back to his full powered cut.

 

I think I read that on here. He's swinging inside out, leading to little pull power.

[THANOS]

I read somewhere that Martin hurt his hand and it's affected his swing somewhat. This might be why the power hasn't shown up yet if true.

 

Yes he actually changed his swing due to the injury. At some point he will go back to his full powered cut.

 

I think I read that on here. He's swinging inside out, leading to little pull power.

 

Wow! What kind of talent do you need to be to change your swing, mid-season, to compensate for an injury, and still stay afloat to the degree of a 128 wRC+ in your 1st professional season.

[Spanky__99]

It really goes to show that the difference between the 30th and 80th best prospect is just a couple weeks of good or bad games. People get too upset over a few spots in rankings.

 

Yeah, Grant like 75-to 150ish would be just extremely close on these listings.

 

21-50 a lower tier, etc.

[Spanky__99]

Wow! What kind of talent do you need to be to change your swing, mid-season, to compensate for an injury, and still stay afloat to the degree of a 128 wRC+ in your 1st professional season.

 

He has Bo's bat to ball skills and bat-speed... it is kind of remarkable.

[Benito]

Yeah, Martin is a stud in the making. He's still no.1 Jays' prospect for me.

[vaff]

It was Keith Law who mentioned the hand injury/swing change, btw.

 

I’m more confused about why he’s playing if he’s injured to the point of needing to alter his swing?

[Jimcanuck]

It was Keith Law who mentioned the hand injury/swing change, btw.

 

I’m more confused about why he’s playing if he’s injured to the point of needing to alter his swing?

 

I think it's just being precautionary, lower the risk of aggravating it. Probably was decided that was better than to sit and miss valuable development time.

[Krylian]

It was Keith Law who mentioned the hand injury/swing change, btw.

 

I’m more confused about why he’s playing if he’s injured to the point of needing to alter his swing?

 

Being forced to master the inside out swing is something that he can certainly apply going forward.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Krylian

[Benito]

He is still getting valuable live game experience, which is vital for development. I'm not sure what it was like at the camp last year, but this season is really his first pro development since being drafted. A two year gap from college and pro ball games I have to imagine, would have been detrimental for his development. You are right, it has only been Law that's reported the injury and adjustment to his swing (anyone know if there are others reporting?) that I've read, but I would imagine the FO would not have him play if there was high risk of exacerbating the injury.

[Krylian]

Small Sample size but after that nice start, Manuel Beltre has been struggling. Want to see that advanced bat heat up.

[gruber92]

Yeah. Kirk had 50 at bats at aaa and hit .350 with good line drive power

 

Two 22 year olds

 

MILB

 

.331 .414 .531

.317 .416 .503

 

MLB

 

.287 .368 .516

.296 .359 .521

 

One is god of hitting, generational talent. Battling Fernando Tatis for best player in baseball.

 

One can catch and has lower sample size so is like the 80th best prospect in baseball

 

The missing year is screwing things up still and this entire batch of players is going to have huge variance. Kirk is performing like like Vlad Guerrero kind of... but with 50 high minor at bats and 80 mlb at bats we don't really know if that is real. It probably isn't because most fat people aren't VGJR

 

You're wrong. Kirk will be moved to third base and become the next Ron Cey.

[Olerud363]

You're wrong. Kirk will be moved to third base and become the next Ron Cey.

 

Not sure about Ron Cey, but maybe the best Blue Jays team near term has Kirk at DH when he's not catching..

[vaff]

Not sure about Ron Cey, but maybe the best Blue Jays team near term has Kirk at DH when he's not catching..

 

 

Should have hit for McGuire in the 9th, tonight.

[Olerud363]

Should have hit for McGuire in the 9th, tonight.

 

This is where Charlie could really f*** away a couple of wins over a season. Giving at bats to Grichuk and McGuire that should go to Kirk.

 

Kirk should be hitting 6th, and playing 95% of the time as DH or C. Risk losing the DH, and if somehow Kirk and McGuire go down in the same game, get Espinal to catch.

[Ray]

Another 2 doubles by Kevin Smith today.

 

OPS is at 1.000 at this point. Gotta think he'd get a shot if there was a spot in the majors for him.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Zach Logue had a nice outing.

 

4 IP, 8 K's, 0 walks, 1 hit, 0 runs

 

Also, Dickerson batted 3rd and went 2 for 4 with a double. Should be back soon I imagine.

[Ray]

Zach Logue had a nice outing.

 

4 IP, 8 K's, 0 walks, 1 hit, 0 runs

 

Also, Dickerson batted 3rd and went 2 for 4 with a double. Should be back soon I imagine.

 

Zach Logue is interesting despite what his ERA says. Not counting today:

 

10.9 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 8.0 H/9, 3.68 FIP.

 

I'm not able to find his velo anywhere (I know he sat 90-92 with his fastball when he was drafted), but he may have experienced a bump in velo and he already possesses high spin stuff. I think what I like most about him is that his secondary offerings (changeup and slider) both flash above average and are capable of getting both sides of the plate out. His fastball isn't anything exceptional, but he makes it work with location and attacking with the high strike. I've been a fan of him for a while now as an under the radar guy.

[Krylian]

Orelvis has fallen off a cliff. Release him

[vaff]

Orelvis has fallen off a cliff. Release him

 

Release him? Chill!

 

 

… I think we can still get some cash considerations for him if we play our cards right.