Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I really hope he bounces back. I was f'n high on his hitting ability last year. All the signs seemed good. Year over year improvement, with BB%, K%, ISO improving each of the previous 3 levels. No outrageous BABIP numbers. Ok age for level. Actually scouts always said there might be issues, but I really hope last year was a combo of circumstances and luck. Don't know why but I like the kid I'm certainly willing to give him a mulligan last year, with all his family was going through. His mind just wasn't on baseball.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 The comp between Ohtani, Acuna and Guerrero is skewed by Ohtani being 25 and the other guys are 5-6 yrs younger. If the rankings are based on who will give better career value, Ohtani has to drop to 3rd due to his age.
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 The comp between Ohtani, Acuna and Guerrero is skewed by Ohtani being 25 and the other guys are 5-6 yrs younger. If the rankings are based on who will give better career value, Ohtani has to drop to 3rd due to his age. I mean you're not entirely wrong, but Ohtani is 23 and will almost surely be making his debut in April of this year, which is a perfectly reasonable age. He has success in the second best league in the world while being very young. 23 years old and MLB ready potential ace, based on career value the only reason you'd put him behind Vladdy and Acuna is the fact that he's a pitcher and much more likely to get injured, because talent wise they're all on the same ladder step.
Bobthe4th Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 The comp between Ohtani, Acuna and Guerrero is skewed by Ohtani being 25 and the other guys are 5-6 yrs younger. If the rankings are based on who will give better career value, Ohtani has to drop to 3rd due to his age. While you have a good point, Ohtani is 23.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Author Posted January 22, 2018 Ohtani is 23. Who wants to go next...
Bobthe4th Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Ohtani is 23. Who wants to go next... Jim exaggerating to try and prove a point - who could have guessed?
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) J.J. Cooper: Matt, I agree that Guerrero is the one of these three who has the highest upside. If he doesn't exhaust his prospect eligibility this season and produces the same kind of numbers in Double-A and Triple-A that he did in 2017, he could be a 75/Low or even the impossible 80/Low in our BA Grades next year. Hitters just don't do what he's done at his age. Guerrero could have a Miguel Cabrera/Albert Pujols-level impact at the plate, which makes me really care little about where he plays defensively, but his ability to stay at third base for now is a nice bonus. (An aside. As great as Pujols was, his age 20 season in the low Class A Midwest League wasn't as good as Guerrero's low Class A/high Class A season as an 18-year-old. Cabrera's age 18 and age 19 seasons don't come close to comparing to Guerrero's 2017 season.) Edited January 22, 2018 by Brownie19
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I mean you're not entirely wrong, but Ohtani is 23 and will almost surely be making his debut in April of this year, which is a perfectly reasonable age. He has success in the second best league in the world while being very young. 23 years old and MLB ready potential ace, based on career value the only reason you'd put him behind Vladdy and Acuna is the fact that he's a pitcher and much more likely to get injured, because talent wise they're all on the same ladder step. Ah my bad, thought i read somewhere today he is 25
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Where did you see that he'd be considered a top 10 hitting prospect? Everything I've read has him as more of a borderline top 100 hitting prospect. He's 4th in OF prospects by Callis and Mayo, really surprised me... http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=of List gets updated on Thursday, though.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 2018 Top 100 Prospects With Tools January 22, 2018 By BA Staff Tools are a basic building block of our coverage at Baseball America. We begin assessing players’ tools from the time they become prominent high school players, and we continue to do it through college and the minor leagues all the way to the majors. Grades listed are for each player’s projected future tools. 1. Ronald Acuna | OF | Braves Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 70 | Arm: 60 2. Shohei Ohtani | RHP | Angels Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 70 Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 60 | Chanegup: 45 | Splitter: 70 3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B | Blue Jays Hit: 80 | Power: 70 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 55 Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-top-100-prospects-tools/#1gqfm7GywtrdtOhW.99
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 2018 Top 100 Prospects With Tools January 22, 2018 By BA Staff Tools are a basic building block of our coverage at Baseball America. We begin assessing players’ tools from the time they become prominent high school players, and we continue to do it through college and the minor leagues all the way to the majors. Grades listed are for each player’s projected future tools. 1. Ronald Acuna | OF | Braves �� Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 70 | Arm: 60 2. Shohei Ohtani | RHP | Angels �� Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 70 Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 60 | Chanegup: 45 | Splitter: 70 3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B | Blue Jays �� Hit: 80 | Power: 70 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 55 Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-top-100-prospects-tools/#1gqfm7GywtrdtOhW.99 Did you want me to post that? lol
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Chip off the old block for sure...
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 2018 Top 100 Prospects With Tools January 22, 2018 By BA Staff Tools are a basic building block of our coverage at Baseball America. We begin assessing players’ tools from the time they become prominent high school players, and we continue to do it through college and the minor leagues all the way to the majors. Grades listed are for each player’s projected future tools. 1. Ronald Acuna | OF | Braves �� Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 70 | Arm: 60 2. Shohei Ohtani | RHP | Angels �� Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 70 Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 60 | Chanegup: 45 | Splitter: 70 3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B | Blue Jays �� Hit: 80 | Power: 70 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 55 Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-top-100-prospects-tools/#1gqfm7GywtrdtOhW.99 I'm pretty skeptical on Acuna having 70 grade power. Vlad though, Jesus Christ, 80/70 is absurd.
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Did you want me to post that? lol Please do . I want to see Bo's grades.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 Chip off the old block for sure... The chip is bigger than the whole block.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Please do . I want to see Bo's grades. 1. Ronald Acuna | OF | Braves Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 70 | Arm: 60 2. Shohei Ohtani | RHP | Angels Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 70 Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 60 | Chanegup: 45 | Splitter: 70 3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 3B | Blue Jays Hit: 80 | Power: 70 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 55 4. Eloy Jimenez | OF | White Sox Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 45 5. Victor Robles | OF | Nationals Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 6. Gleyber Torres | SS | Yankees Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 7. Nick Senzel | 3B | Reds Hit: 70 | Power: 60 | Speed: 55 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 8. Bo Bichette | SS | Blue Jays Hit: 70 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 60 9. Fernando Tatis Jr | SS | Padres Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 10. Forrest Whitley | RHP | Astros Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Cutter: 50 | Control: 55 ADVERTISING 11. Michael Kopech | RHP | White Sox Fastball: 80 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 12. Mitch Keller | RHP | Pirates Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 60 13. Walker Buehler | RHP | Dodgers Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 60 14. Brent Honeywell | RHP | Rays Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 60 | Screwball: 70 15. Kyle Tucker | OF | Astros Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 50 16. J.P. Crawford | SS | Phillies Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 17. Alex Reyes | RHP | Cardinals Fastball: 80 | Curveball: 70 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 50 18. Lewis Brinson | OF | Brewers Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 19. Willy Adames | SS | Rays Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 20. Francisco Mejia | C | Indians Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 80 21. Austin Hays | OF | Orioles Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 22. Brendan Rodgers | SS | Rockies Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 23. Luiz Gohara | LHP | Braves Fastball: 80 | Slider: 70 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 45 24. Royce Lewis | SS | Twins Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 55 25. Sixto Sanchez | RHP | Phillies Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: | Changeup: 60 | Control: 60 26. MacKenzie Gore | LHP | Padres Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 60 27. Mike Soroka | RHP | Braves Fastball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 60 28. Michel Baez | RHP | Padres Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 60 29. Hunter Greene | RHP | Reds Fastball: 80 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 55 30. A.J. Puk | LHP | Athletics Fastball: 70 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 31. Scott Kingery | 2B | Phillies Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 50 32. Luis Urias | 2B | Padres Hit: 70 | Power: 40 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 55 33. Triston McKenzie | RHP | Indians Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 34. Kyle Wright | RHP | Braves Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 35. Franklin Perez | RHP | Tigers Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 45 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 60 36. Willie Calhoun | OF | Rangers Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 30 | Fielding: 30 | Arm: 40 37. Alex Verdugo | OF | Dodgers Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 70 38. Estevan Florial | OF | Yankees Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 70 39. Brendan McKay | LHP/1B | Rays Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Speed: 30 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 40. Keibert Ruiz | C | Dodgers Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 50 41. Justus Sheffield | LHP | Yankees Fastball: 70 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 42. Ian Anderson | RHP | Braves Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 43. Franklin Barreto | SS | Athletics Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Speed: 55 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 50 44. Austin Meadows | OF | Pirates Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 50 45. Jake Bauers | 1B | Rays Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 45 46. Jo Adell | OF | Angels Hit: 60 | Power: 70 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 47. Keston Hiura | 2B | Brewers Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 45 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 45 48. Taylor Trammell | OF | Reds Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 40 49. Jesus Sanchez | OF | Rays Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 55 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 50 50. Alex Faedo | RHP | Tigers Fastball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 51. Leody Taveras | OF | Rangers Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 52. Cal Quantrill | RHP | Padres Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 70 | Control: 50 53. Jack Flaherty | RHP | Cardinals Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 55 54. Austin Riley | 3B | Braves Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 70 55. Carson Kelly | C | Cardinals Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Speed: 20 | Fielding: 70 | Arm: 60 56. Juan Soto | OF | Nationals Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 50 57. Alec Hansen | RHP | White Sox Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 40 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 45 58. Luis Robert | OF | White Sox Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Speed: 70 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 60 59. Miguel Andujar | 3B | Yankees Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 60 60. Anthony Alford | OF | Blue Jays Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 40 61. Brandon Woodruff | RHP | Brewers Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 55 62. Yordan Alvarez | 1B | Astros Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 45 63. Ryan McMahon | 1B | Rockies Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Speed: 45 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 55 64. Jorge Mateo | SS | Athletics Hit: 50 | Power: 45 | Speed: 80 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 55 65. Kolby Allard | LHP | Braves Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 60 66. Adrian Morejon | LHP | Padres Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 50 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 67. Kyle Lewis | OF | Mariners Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 55 68. Chance Sisco | C | Orioles Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 50 69. Mitchell White | RHP | Dodgers Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 70. Sandy Alcantara | RHP | Marlins Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 40 | Control: 45 71. Ryan Mountcastle | 3B | Orioles Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Speed: 45 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 30 72. Max Fried | LHP | Braves Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 45 73. Jon Duplantier | RHP | D’backs Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 60 74. Corbin Burnes | RHP | Brewers Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 55 75. Monte Harrison | OF | Brewers Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 60 76. J.B. Bukauskas | RHP | Astros Fastball: 60 | Slider: 70 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 77. Albert Abreu | RHP | Yankees Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 78. Matt Manning | RHP | Tigers Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 45 79. Heliot Ramos | OF | Giants Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 55 80. Brett Phillips | OF | Brewers Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 80 81. Chance Adams | RHP | Yankees Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 82. Dane Dunning | RHP | White Sox Fastball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 83. Jay Groome | LHP | Red Sox Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Cutter: 55 84. Adonis Medina | RHP | Phillies Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 85. Michael Chavis | 3B | Red Sox Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 45 | Fielding: 45 | Arm: 55 86. Tyler O’Neill | OF | Cardinals Hit: 45 | Power: 70 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 55 87. Jorge Guzman | RHP | Marlins Fastball: 80 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 88. Dustin Fowler | OF | Athletics Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 50 89. Jahmai Jones | OF | Angels Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 50 90. Tyler Mahle | RHP | Reds Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 40 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 60 91. Nate Pearson | RHP | Blue Jays Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 45 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 92. Brent Rooker | OF | Twins Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Speed: 40 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 45 93. Nick Gordon | SS | Twins Hit: 50 | Power: 45 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 55 94. Andres Gimenez | SS | Mets Hit: 55 | Power: 40 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 60 | Arm: 60 95. Wander Javier | SS | Twins Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Speed: 60 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 70 96. Wander Franco | SS | Rays Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 50 97. Stephen Gonsalves | LHP | Twins Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 45 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 98. Jesse Winker | OF | Reds Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Speed: 45 | Fielding: 40 | Arm: 40 99. Riley Pint | RHP | Rockies Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 100. Adam Haseley | OF | Phillies Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Speed: 50 | Fielding: 50 | Arm: 50 Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-top-100-prospects-tools/#kRXG2g1wy5FC5Qe7.99
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Thanks brother! I was hoping Bo would have a 70 hit after 2017. Hopefully it goes up after this season.
Ray Verified Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 So Nick Senzel and Bichette’s hit tools are graded out as basically the same. Senzel was a 2nd overall pick, meanwhile Bichette went 66th overall. Got me thinking: Where does Bichette go if the 2016 draft were to happen tomorrow? Does he go 1-1?
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 So Nick Senzel and Bichette’s hit tools are graded out as basically the same. Senzel was a 2nd overall pick, meanwhile Bichette went 66th overall. Got me thinking: Where does Bichette go if the 2016 draft were to happen tomorrow? Does he go 1-1? Probably 1-2, behind Senzel
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Mejia's hit tool seems low at 60.
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Damn, the O's got a huge steal in 2016 too with Austin Hays
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Damian (Roanoke, VA): In the span of a year, Bo Bichette has gone from 93 to 44 to 8 on this list. Any chance he ends up the better player (not hitter) than Vlad Jr? J.J. Cooper: He can play a middle infield spot and Guerrero will have to work hard to stay at third base, so it is possible. If Bichette ends up being one of the better hitters in baseball while staying up the middle, that would be a very, very valuable player. Greg (Kellyville, OK): How wide was the margin between Kyle Tucker and two hitters ahead of him in Tatis Jr. and Bo? I can easily see arguments for all hitters ahead of Tucker but I am having trouble with Bo. What did Bo do that put him ahead of someone with tools and a track record like Tucker? J.J. Cooper: A number of factors. One, Bichette is a middle infielder, either a shortstop or a second baseman while Tucker is a corner outfielder. Advantage: Bichette. Two, Bichette’s track record is actually at least equal if not superior to Tucker’s at this point. Yes, he’s a year younger. But compare Bichette’s rookie ball season (.427/.451/.732) to Tucker’s (.246/.294/.353). OK, compare Tucker’s first full pro season (MWL/CAL) to Bichette’s (MWL/FSL). Even without making adjustments for the better hitting conditions of the Cal League to the FSL, Bichette hit .384/.448/.623 in the MWL and .323/.379/.463 in the FSL. Tucker hit .276/.348/.402 in the MWL and .339/.435/.631 in the CAL. Tucker does have a HiA/AA year that Bichette doesn’t have yet because he was drafted one year earlier, but comparing apples to apples, at the same points in their career (half season + 1 full pro season) Bichette has more isolated power, a higher batting average and because of the higher batting average, a higher OBP. Tucker has a slightly better K-rate and walk rate. Bichette has better normalized stats as well. You can make a case for Tucker (closer to the majors, power surge in 2017) but Bichette has a lot going for him as well. Ryan (Montreal): Never seen an 80 hit grade (with a 70 power!). What gives you so much confidence in Vlad's tools to basically classify him as one of the best offensive prospects in years? Kyle Glaser: Because the scouts and pro scouting directors and general managers across the game see him as that, and every single stat metric you can dream of backs it up. If both the numbers and the reports line up, no reason to shortchange the kid. His barrel control, bat speed, plate discipline, power potential…it’s all on a level not seen in a long time from an 18 year old James (Kentucky): How rare is Vlad Jr's. 80 hit tool? What other prospects have garnered an 80 hit tool? Josh Norris: Without having the data at hand, I’ll go ahead and say very few. Another way of looking at it: How many 80-grade hitters are there in the major leagues? Probably less than five. That should tell you how special we think that bat could be. Tommy N. (San Diego): What was the reasoning of ranking Bichette ahead of Tatis? Kyle Glaser: I had Tatis one spot ahead of Bichette in my rankings. Others had them right next to each other as well. They were 2-3 in our Midwest League prospects rankings. Scouts see them and talk about them very similarly in terms of potential, the numbers on both are stellar. It’s really, really had to separate the two. Bichette’s slightly tick better pure hit potential gives him a smidgen advantage, which I can see, but I think honestly thinking about the two of them as tied for 8th is the most accurate way to see it Ian (Toronto): Hype up here on Nate Pearson is through the roof. Do you think that with a longer track record he'd already be top 50? or is it just a case of over inflating our own prospects'...er... prospects? Kyle Glaser: Ben Badler took care of the Jays for us this year and got scintillating reports from both opposing scouts and in-house folks who aren’t known as BSers. Pearson appears to be a steal (Note: BA had him about 15 spots higher on the BA 500 then where he was drafted), and there is a very real chance to takes off next year. BK (Vancouver, BC): Is Danny Jansen just a case of "we need to see him sustain this for longer" before he's considered a prospect worthy of top 100 discussion? Kyle Glaser: Yeah. This was a fantastic year, and I think it’s reasonable to expect him to continue to perform now that his vision is fixed. But in the context of the Top 100, another season of track record would help Justin (Cincinnati, OH): With Vlad Jr getting an 80 grade hit tool, I was curious how many other 80 hit or power grades have been handed out over the years? And how many guys have topped the 80/70 hit/power combo of Vlad Jr? Matt Eddy: This question also intrigues me, and those grades you cite for Vlad Jr. formed the backbone of my defense for him as No. 1. The most logical place to begin looking for similar grades would be Bryce Harper (60 hit, 80 power) and Mike Trout (70 hit, 65 power) in the 2012 book, but you can see we were more conservative with their grades. I spot-checked a few other high-profile prospects of the past seven years and nobody topped Vlad, who scored 150 out of a possible 160 points with his hit and power grades.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Jo Adell's grades seem aggressive
Pendleton Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Damn, the O's got a huge steal in 2016 too with Austin Hays As did your DDL team
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Mejia's hit tool seems low at 60. Some weird grades in there. According to them Jo Adell has all the makings of a superstar and yet he's only ranked 46.
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 As did your DDL team Yeah you ppl did good. Corbin Burnes is on here too, and I turned that fat lefty into something. Still not sure who Gilbert Celestial is though.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 80 on Reyes FB after TJ seems optimistic
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I kinda think an 80 hit on Vlad is too much. That's basically what like a .320 hitter throughout his prime? The discipline and walk rate should be elite, but I feel like he's not that calibre of pure hitter. Would love to be wrong, obviously. In my mind I'd project him as more along the lines of 60 hit 70-80 power with 80 plate discipline (if we graded that, which we probably should).
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I kinda think an 80 hit on Vlad is too much. That's basically what like a .320 hitter throughout his prime? The discipline and walk rate should be elite, but I feel like he's not that calibre of pure hitter. Would love to be wrong, obviously. In my mind I'd project him as more along the lines of 60 hit 70-80 power with 80 plate discipline (if we graded that, which we probably should). I agree 80 might be aggressive, but by all accounts his bat control is superb, and currently the stats back that up. I think a 60 is far too low on the hit tool, conservatively he's 65-70 hit and 60-70 power, but the industry consensus and the stats do seem to point to 80/70 or 75/70 with maybe 80 raw being a realistic toolset for this kid.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 The hype on Vlad Jr. is out of this world.
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