Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Spanky99]

Wow, this list looks awful. BA is still the standard, clearly. I'm excited for their list.

 

What did you think of Law's Horrawful?

[Grant77]

What did you think of Law's Horrawful?

 

Law always makes some valid points (like with concerns about Moncada), but over exaggerates the point in his rankings. I think it was pretty bad as well, but worth a read.

[Spanky99]

Law always makes some valid points (like with concerns about Moncada), but over exaggerates the point in his rankings. I think it was pretty bad as well, but worth a read.

 

You know there's a write-up on every player in this list also, just click on the player. Law's a condescending prick, and his listing's are always terrible.

[THANOS]

4 Jays make MLB's Top 100!

 

94) Richard Urena

70) Anthony Alford

64) Sean Reid-Foley

34) Vladimir Guerrero Jr

 

Wow!!

[King]

MLB.Com's... Callis' and Mayo's top 100 listing...

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=prospects

 

So many omissions by Law made this list, well done fellas.

Every prospect from 15-100 is rated at 55 FV

[Grant77]

You know there's a write-up on every player in this list also, just click on the player. Law's a condescending prick, and his listing's are always terrible.

 

I do, thanks. I checked out the Jays, but I'm planning to read the rest later.

[Spanky99]

Every prospect from 15-100 is rated at 55 FV

Ok, are you saying it's lazy, it's just a ceiling number, is it not? They did the same thing last year from 13 on... heck, from every year on...

Edited January 29, 2017 by Spanky99

[THANOS]

I could see us feasibly having 2 more on that list, this time next year; likely Bo Bichette and Rowdy Tellez (after a strong AAA season).

[Angrioter]

I could see us feasibly having 2 more on that list, this time next year; likely Bo Bichette and Rowdy Tellez (after a strong AAA season).

Sleepers

 

Woodman, Palacios and Pruitt are toolsy guys. Maese and his sinker is good too.

[Laika]

 

In response to: @jimcallisMLB who is your way-too-early number 1 prospect for 2018?

[Dr. Dinger]

 

In response to: @jimcallisMLB who is your way-too-early number 1 prospect for 2018?

 

Wow, it's pretty surprising for him to make a guess like that on a bat-only prospect. He must really be hearing incredible things from scouts.

[TheHurl]

Wow, it's pretty surprising for him to make a guess like that on a bat-only prospect. He must really be hearing incredible things from scouts.

 

Has anyone ever actually called him bat only? All I've ever seen is concerns about his potential future size.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd put money on sons of former players turning out worse than similarly-ranked prospects with no 'bloodlines'.

 

That wouldn't be a surprise given the nature of rankings. But doesn't change what I said.... bloodlines (ie. DNA) is a thing.

[Jimcanuck]

The industry transition from cautiously optimistic to frothing over miniVlad has been remarkably quick for a dude yet to turn 18 and it's got me damn excited.

 

Same, although how much is based on hype and how much on scout evaluations of Vlad at 17 compared to guys like Harper at 17? The answer is somewhere in the middle most likely.

[TheHurl]

 

In response to: @jimcallisMLB who is your way-too-early number 1 prospect for 2018?

 

Except they never jump prospects up 30 something spots because that's not the way they have ever done it...it would be a jump to top 10, then #1 the following year. I know this is just Callis going with something that will be retweeted the most and stating that he likes Vlad (or his father we aren't sure). He has three prospects in his top 10 which will not lose their eligibility. What kind of a season would Gleyber and Vlad each have to have for this scenario to happen. If he thinks Vlad will be #1 next year...put him at #3 this year.

[Jimcanuck]

Hurl, if Vlad destroys MWL pitching, and then does the same to FSL pitching, would that do it?

[Laika]

Has anyone ever actually called him bat only? All I've ever seen is concerns about his potential future size.

 

Well when he signed, up until some point in 2016, scouts had him pegged as something pretty close to bat-only (a corner outfielder who might outgrow the position and end up as a 1B/DH.)

 

The Blue Jays putting him at 3B surprised people. Obviously, Toronto had a different opinion on his athleticism.

 

Now he's being regarded as a fringe defender at 3B. And the reports on his arm have gone from 40/45 to 55/60, so he might even work in RF.

[Laika]

Except they never jump prospects up 30 something spots because that's not the way they have ever done it...it would be a jump to top 10, then #1 the following year. I know this is just Callis going with something that will be retweeted the most and stating that he likes Vlad (or his father we aren't sure). He has three prospects in his top 10 which will not lose their eligibility. What kind of a season would Gleyber and Vlad each have to have for this scenario to happen. If he thinks Vlad will be #1 next year...put him at #3 this year.

 

I agree entirely. Even if Vlad hits his absolute ceiling, BA/MLB/BP would launch him up the list in the exact same pattern as Kris Bryant.

 

Bryant - 1.078 OPS in 2013 after being drafted 2nd overall, rated 8th and 9th and 17th by MLB and BA and BP, respectively.

- 1.098 OPS in 2014 in AA/AAA, rated 2nd and 1st and 5th by MLB and BA and BP, respectively.

 

Even if Vlad nukes the Midwest league this year as an 18 year old, he's only maybe cracking a couple top 10s.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well when he signed, up until some point in 2016, scouts had him pegged as something pretty close to bat-only (a corner outfielder who might outgrow the position and end up as a 1B/DH.)

 

The Blue Jays putting him at 3B surprised people. Obviously, Toronto had a different opinion on his athleticism.

 

Now he's being regarded as a fringe defender at 3B. And the reports on his arm have gone from 40/45 to 55/60, so he might even work in RF.

 

The reports have his arm at 3B being a 55 but its still below average in the OF. The throwing motion as an infielder is different than an OF so apparently that is why the difference.

[Laika]

The reports have his arm at 3B being a 55 but its still below average in the OF. The throwing motion as an infielder is different than an OF so apparently that is why the difference.

 

ok bud

 

that's not how anybody reputable rates arms you goof

[Spanky99]

ok bud

 

that's not how anybody reputable rates arms you goof

 

lol

[TheHurl]

Hurl, if Vlad destroys MWL pitching, and then does the same to FSL pitching, would that do it?

 

I'm not talking about my own personal list. I'm saying that Callis is making a statement which will almost never happen (Bryce Harper is only one I can remember). If he kills FSL pitching they will likely move him up to top 5-10 and make someone closer to the majors their number 1. In the end the numbers on the list don't really matter but these lists spark conversation about strengths and weaknesses which is good.

[Rusty_Savage]

ok bud

 

that's not how anybody reputable rates arms you goof

 

This is awesome

[King]

Hurl, thoughts on Luis Ortiz?

 

High School

http://332b71db85586c638269-7b3e649a230e2ba2cff912d8af17e0b5.r41.cf1.rackcdn.com/1339-5-Navy-13.jpg

 

 

 

Present

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3d3cc83d51ba704604fc42e9e631c04d0608fe5a/c=170-42-1887-1333&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/08/15/WIGroup/Milwaukee/636068419400179198-Luis-Ortiz.jpg

[Laika]

He's fatter than Bartolo Colon when Bartolo was his age.

 

Bartolo was skinny as a rookie, you know.

[Orgfiller]

Kind of reminds me of Osuna in the minors, although that's likely because they're both latinos (is Ortiz also of Mexican heritage?) so the association is more apparent. It's easy to forget because of how much he did to lose all of that weight and get into great shape, but Osuna was really fat and many people expressed concerns over that IIRC.

 

He appears to be at a "salvageable" weight yet, but he will need to start working out soon before he settles into CC Sabathia territory permanently.

[King]

Kind of reminds me of Osuna in the minors, although that's likely because they're both latinos (is Ortiz also of Mexican heritage?) so the association is more apparent. It's easy to forget because of how much he did to lose all of that weight and get into great shape, but Osuna was really fat and many people expressed concerns over that IIRC.

 

He appears to be at a "salvageable" weight yet, but he will need to start working out soon before he settles into CC Sabathia territory permanently.

 

Osuna MiLB pictures reel

 

http://jaysjournal.com/files/2015/02/24_Osuna640_o04pm99m_jmk9omwj.jpg

 

http://www.milb.com/images/2012/07/29/XBznas8E.jpg

 

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/39/files/2014/02/Roberto-Osuna.jpg

 

http://mopupduty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Roberto-Osuna.jpg

 

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2016/05/vancouver-b-c-september-5-2012-ready-to-play-vanc.jpeg

 

http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/roberto-osuna.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=370&h=464

[King]

Miguel Castro actually came in 8th on Longenhagens 2017 Rockies prospect list

 

8. Miguel Castro, RHP

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2011 from Dominican Republic

Age 22 Height 6’5 Weight 190 Bat/Throw R/R

 

Tool Grades (Present/Future)

Fastball 70/80

Slider 50/60

Changeup 40/45

Command 30/45

 

Relevant/Interesting Metrics

Changeup usage dropped from 17% in 2015 to 5% in 2016.

 

Scouting Report

While he’s had struggles in parts of two big-league seasons, Castro remains a physically projectable 21-year-old with an upper-90s fastball and wipeout slider. He began 2016 with eight strong innings before he was shelved with shoulder inflammation in late April. He required a second DL stint in August.

 

When healthy, Castro sits 96-99 and touches 100 with a plus-flashing slider in the 82-85 mph range. His fastball plays up against right-handed hitters because of Castro’s arm slot and the extension in his delivery. Castro doesn’t routinely throw a changeup, nor does he consistently command his fastball/slider combination but he’s a lanky 6-foot-5 and just 21 years old, so control issues shouldn’t be all that shocking. He could develop average command in time.

 

Considering the cocktail of command issues, injury issues and lack of a third pitch, it might be too ambitious to attempt to rebuild Castro as a starter. There’s late-inning stuff here if he can get healthy. Castro was acquired from Toronto as part of the Troy Tulowitzki trade.

 

 

http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/castro3.jpg?w=620&h=465

 

http://baseballhotcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CAiklu1VIAA5CKP.jpg

 

 

I wouldn't describe him as chubby

[Brownie19]

My god Osuna is ugly.

[Laika]

Miguel Castro has filthy stuff.

 

It's a reasonable position to say that, so far, AA has ruined his career.