Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[max silver]

Holy hyperbole Batman! No GM should be fired for one trade. Only their body of work.

 

I would obviously prefer if this trade wasn’t a complete train wreck. But if people are going to use a Nick Frasso bad small sample as any kind of point. You can’t use a Mitch White small good example to say hes been good. Pretty large sample last year and in the minors that he f***ing sucks. And hes been used in the lowest of leverage situations.

 

Heading into this season White's minor league numbers were nothing spectacular, but good enough that he earned his way onto the major league roster of a stacked team like the Dodgers. He had a 3.70 ERA/3.87 FIP. He really struggled in AAA this year as he worked his way back from injury, but it appears as though he might have righted the ship upon his call up back to the majors.

 

Prior to being acquired by the Jays last season he pitched pretty well over the course of several stints with the Dodgers. He produced a 3.58 ERA/3.87 FIP. For a guy acquired primarily to be used as a swing man/6th starter these numbers are just fine. The results last season as a Blue Jay are admittedly ugly, but there are signs that suggest his ERA was inflated due to some pretty terrible luck on batted balls. He avoided barrels and kept the ball in the park, but despite an average exit velocity of only 87.8 MPH he surrendered a batting average on balls in play of .368. There is a massive gap between his ERA and FIP of nearly 4 full runs which further suggests the high ERA is something that may have normalized over time.

 

Frasso is a fun prospect to follow but he hasn't exactly been lighting AA on fire. This is his second season spending time in AA, and his total AA line shows a 4.41 ERA/3.13 FIP. He's experienced a lot of injuries over his young career and as such has a very high likelihood of ending up as a reliever. He's only averaged 3 innings per start in his AA time so it seems somewhat unlikely that he will be able to remain as a starter long term.

 

De Jesus is having a nice run of success in Vancouver right now. He's upped his season WRC+ to 120 after a few very good months at the plate. Over his last 49 games he's produced a 141 WRC+ including 9 home runs. He's starting to show why the front office was willing to ship out Frasso as part of the White trade.

 

White being used in low leverage situations doesn't take away from the fact that he's pitched well for the team so far. Low leverage relief has been a big weakness for this team, as key low leverage relievers such as Cimber and Phelps have either been hurt/ineffective or retired in the case of Phelps. Pop showed promise in this role before he eventually started to struggle and ending up on the injured list, so if White can be effective in this role he can eventually work his way out of mop-up innings and start pitching in closer games.

[Stangstag]

Heading into this season White's minor league numbers were nothing spectacular, but good enough that he earned his way onto the major league roster of a stacked team like the Dodgers. He had a 3.70 ERA/3.87 FIP. He really struggled in AAA this year as he worked his way back from injury, but it appears as though he might have righted the ship upon his call up back to the majors.

 

Prior to being acquired by the Jays last season he pitched pretty well over the course of several stints with the Dodgers. He produced a 3.58 ERA/3.87 FIP. For a guy acquired primarily to be used as a swing man/6th starter these numbers are just fine. The results last season as a Blue Jay are admittedly ugly, but there are signs that suggest his ERA was inflated due to some pretty terrible luck on batted balls. He avoided barrels and kept the ball in the park, but despite an average exit velocity of only 87.8 MPH he surrendered a batting average on balls in play of .368. There is a massive gap between his ERA and FIP of nearly 4 full runs which further suggests the high ERA is something that may have normalized over time.

 

Frasso is a fun prospect to follow but he hasn't exactly been lighting AA on fire. This is his second season spending time in AA, and his total AA line shows a 4.41 ERA/3.13 FIP. He's experienced a lot of injuries over his young career and as such has a very high likelihood of ending up as a reliever. He's only averaged 3 innings per start in his AA time so it seems somewhat unlikely that he will be able to remain as a starter long term.

 

De Jesus is having a nice run of success in Vancouver right now. He's upped his season WRC+ to 120 after a few very good months at the plate. Over his last 49 games he's produced a 141 WRC+ including 9 home runs. He's starting to show why the front office was willing to ship out Frasso as part of the White trade.

 

White being used in low leverage situations doesn't take away from the fact that he's pitched well for the team so far. Low leverage relief has been a big weakness for this team, as key low leverage relievers such as Cimber and Phelps have either been hurt/ineffective or retired in the case of Phelps. Pop showed promise in this role before he eventually started to struggle and ending up on the injured list, so if White can be effective in this role he can eventually work his way out of mop-up innings and start pitching in closer games.

 

Nice write up, I definitely think we haven’t seen the best of Mitch White yet. He will be a valuable piece for the Jays at some point just like Ross Stripling in his final year here.

 

Jonn will just come back with a

“Mitch White f***ing sucks. Frasso is the next great setup guy for the Dodgers”

[Rusty_Savage]

Nah man worst case scenario Frasso is the next Liam Hendricks

I would say that's his best case scenario.

 

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[Ray]

Orelvis Martinez:

 

April 6th - May 9th: 22 games, .089/.169/.266, .434 OPS, 24% K-rate, 9% BB-rate.

 

May 10th - present: 46 games, .307/.432/.621, 1.053 OPS, 16% K-rate, 17% BB-rate.

 

What an insane turnaround. His BABIP during this hot streak isn’t absurdly high (.307), he’s cut his k-rate basically in half from past seasons, and he’s walking more than he’s striking out.

[Vdubfan]

If Nick Frasso performing well in AA for another team is your worst trade in 7+ years, then you've got a pretty solid trade history.

 

I really hate the trade, but people are completely irrational about it. Basically every active FO has an awful trade to their name, including LAD, TB, CLE etc. And the Frasso profile is/was so volatile, given late bloomer/injury history status.

[Jonn]

If Nick Frasso performing well in AA for another team is your worst trade in 7+ years, then you've got a pretty solid trade history.

 

I really hate the trade, but people are completely irrational about it. Basically every active FO has an awful trade to their name, including LAD, TB, CLE etc. And the Frasso profile is/was so volatile, given late bloomer/injury history status.

 

Atkins worse trades are probably the ones he didn’t make. Hanging onto guys way to long and getting zero value for them. The Donaldson situation will always annoy me. But there are numerous situations where he failed to get value out of key players.

 

The premise of the Mitch White trade annoys me more than anything. It was right up against the trade deadline. It was clear Atkins wanted to add starting depth and it seemed quite desperate to include one of your top performing prospects for a swingman. And now not even a calendar year later the Blue Jays have no plans to use White in a starters role.

 

Control or not if seems like a pretty s***** result to end up with a long reliever with mediocre stuff. For a guy younger, has all his options, and throws substantially harder with better stuff. If you’re trading Frasso please actually get a back end starter at the very least.

[metafour]

The premise of the Mitch White trade annoys me more than anything. It was right up against the trade deadline. It was clear Atkins wanted to add starting depth and it seemed quite desperate to include one of your top performing prospects for a swingman. And now not even a calendar year later the Blue Jays have no plans to use White in a starters role.

 

Control or not if seems like a pretty s***** result to end up with a long reliever with mediocre stuff. For a guy younger, has all his options, and throws substantially harder with better stuff. If you’re trading Frasso please actually get a back end starter at the very least.

 

You are embellishing.

 

They traded an extremely volatile prospect who had thrown barely any innings (and this has persisted) for a flawed albeit somewhat intriguing MLB pitcher with control and a lower-leveled intriguing prospect.

 

Nick Frasso turns 25 in a few months and has only gone over 3 IP once over his past 7 starts. I knew right when they traded him that they didn't like something about him - this FO has been extremely careful about the prospects they give up. There's no way they were going to expose a potential star pitcher for Mitch White lol.

 

BA jumped the gun, period. I'd wager a lot of money that he never shoots up that high if he had been traded to a non-darling organization. It's actually comical how few innings he has thrown going all the way back to college. At the pace he's on, he'll be ready to be a "mid rotation starter" when he hits 32 years of age.

[metafour]

Frasso in AA (including last season):

 

51 IP, 50 H, 19 BB, 62 K

4.41 ERA

10.94 K/9

3.35 BB/9

3 IP per outing

 

That's not even "lock to be a high leverage reliever" performance. No one even knows how his stuff carries as the lineup turns over because his outings are so short. He has made zero progress in terms of building stamina since being drafted. I'm intrigued to see if he's actually hurt again given his recent crap outings and loss of command/control.

[Laika]

If Frasso is hurt right now, then he is tracking like a Julian Merryweather.

[Terminator]

You guys are reaching, just saying. Trade was fine.

 

I also said the trade was fine so how am I reaching?

 

I demand a full retraction.

[Daniel Labude]

Orelvis Martinez:

 

April 6th - May 9th: 22 games, .089/.169/.266, .434 OPS, 24% K-rate, 9% BB-rate.

 

May 10th - present: 46 games, .307/.432/.621, 1.053 OPS, 16% K-rate, 17% BB-rate.

 

What an insane turnaround. His BABIP during this hot streak isn’t absurdly high (.307), he’s cut his k-rate basically in half from past seasons, and he’s walking more than he’s striking out.

 

Should move up to AAA soon. I'd say coming out of the all-star break

[Spanky__99]

Ouch...

 

Phillies’ top pitching prospect Andrew Painter is headed for evaluation after reporting discomfort in his throwing elbow, manager Rob Thomson informed the beat (including Alex Coffey of the Philadelphia Inquirer). He’ll be shut down from throwing pending further testing, writes Matt Gelb of the Athletic.

[Carlos Danger]

Anyone have a BA subscription? If so, do you mind posting the latest in season prospect rankings (I think it came out today).

 

Thanks in advance

[Spanky__99]

Davidi wrote this bit, on BA...

 

ARTICLEMINORS

Blue Jays’ Orelvis Martinez Still Swings Hard But Now More In Control

July 7, 2023

July 7, 2023

Shi Davidi

 

 

Shortstop Orelvis Martinez could very easily have been set in his ways after hitting 30 home runs as a 20-year-old for Double-A New Hampshire last year.

 

Instead, after he and the Blue Jays examined the process behind his .203/.286/.446 batting line, they made swing decisions a focal point in Martinez’s work.

 

His new approach was producing better results after a slow start in his repeat of the Eastern League.

 

“Yeah, 30 homers is a good number, but I think I can do better than that,” Martinez said in comments interpreted by New Hampshire teammate Steward Berroa.

 

“I can hit 30 homers with a decent average and be in more situations to hit the ball more than just having 30 homers with a really low average. I’m always open to receive feedback and get better.”

 

Get better the 21-year-old has after a 7-for-79 (.089) start to the season. Early on, Martinez was making good contact but not seeing results.

 

In 46 games following that slump, he hit .307/.432/.621 with 13 homers and perhaps more importantly 33 walks against 32 strikeouts.

 

 

His strikeout percentage of nearly 29% a year ago had shrunk to 19%, while his walk rate climbed from 8% to 14%.

 

“Basically, the difference is (that) last season, I was going up there to swing hard and sometimes I got out of control,” Martinez said.

 

“So this year I have the same intent to swing hard, but I’ve been focused more on control—like, swing hard but more under control. That is getting better.”

 

Martinez split his time on the left side of the diamond, with 32 starts at shortstop and 24 at third base, where he continued to make gains.

[Spanky__99]

Anyone have a BA subscription? If so, do you mind posting the latest in season prospect rankings (I think it came out today).

 

Thanks in advance

 

Orelvis Martinez is back in the top 100...

 

 

 

98. Orelvis Martinez

Toronto Blue Jays

SS

 

Ht: 5'11" | Wt: 200 | B-T: R-R

 

Age: 22

 

Tools: Hit: 30 | Power: 60 | Run: 45 | Field: 45 | Arm: 60

 

Skinny: After a difficult 2022 season where he hit just .203 at Double-A, Martinez has shown an improved approach at the plate this season, walking more and cutting down on his swing-and-miss. He features 30-plus homer upside.

 

Headshot of Elly De La Cruz

1. Elly De La Cruz

Cincinnati Reds

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Holliday

2. Jackson Holliday

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Chourio

3. Jackson Chourio

Milwaukee Brewers

OF

 

Headshot of James Wood

4. James Wood

Washington Nationals

OF

 

Headshot of Marcelo Mayer

5. Marcelo Mayer

Boston Red Sox

SS

 

Headshot of Evan Carter

6. Evan Carter

Texas Rangers

OF

 

Headshot of Robert Miller

7. Bobby Miller

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Gavin Williams

8. Gavin Williams

Cleveland Guardians

RHP

 

Headshot of Andrew Painter

9. Andrew Painter

Philadelphia Phillies

RHP

 

Headshot of Jordan Lawlar

10. Jordan Lawlar

Arizona Diamondbacks

SS

 

Headshot of Colton Cowser

11. Colton Cowser

Baltimore Orioles

OF

 

Headshot of Grayson Rodriguez

12. Grayson Rodriguez

Baltimore Orioles

RHP

 

Headshot of Peter Crow-Armstrong

13. Pete Crow-Armstrong

Chicago Cubs

OF

 

Headshot of Junior Caminero

14. Junior Caminero

Tampa Bay Rays

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Merrill

15. Jackson Merrill

San Diego Padres

SS

 

Headshot of Diego Cartaya

16. Diego Cartaya

Los Angeles Dodgers

C

 

Headshot of Endy Rodriguez

17. Endy Rodriguez

Pittsburgh Pirates

C

 

Headshot of Salvatore Frelick

18. Sal Frelick

Milwaukee Brewers

OF

 

Headshot of Logan O'Hoppe

19. Logan O'Hoppe

Los Angeles Angels

C

 

Headshot of Kyle Harrison

20. Kyle Harrison

San Francisco Giants

LHP

 

Headshot of Tyler Soderstrom

21. Tyler Soderstrom

Oakland Athletics

C

 

Headshot of Shane Baz

22. Shane Baz

Tampa Bay Rays

RHP

 

Headshot of Brandon Pfaadt

23. Brandon Pfaadt

Arizona Diamondbacks

RHP

 

Headshot of Andruw Jones

24. Druw Jones

Arizona Diamondbacks

OF

 

Headshot of Colten Keith

25. Colt Keith

Detroit Tigers

3B

 

Headshot of Kyle Manzardo

26. Kyle Manzardo

Tampa Bay Rays

1B

 

Headshot of Brooks Lee

27. Brooks Lee

Minnesota Twins

SS

 

Headshot of McLean Abel

28. Mick Abel

Philadelphia Phillies

RHP

 

Headshot of Markevian Hence

29. Tink Hence

St. Louis Cardinals

RHP

 

Headshot of Henry Davis

30. Henry Davis

Pittsburgh Pirates

C

 

Headshot of Curtis Mead

31. Curtis Mead

Tampa Bay Rays

2B

 

Headshot of Brayan Rocchio

32. Brayan Rocchio

Cleveland Guardians

SS

 

Headshot of Carson Williams

33. Carson Williams

Tampa Bay Rays

SS

 

Headshot of Ethan Salas

34. Ethan Salas

San Diego Padres

C

 

Headshot of Colson Montgomery

35. Colson Montgomery

Chicago White Sox

SS

 

Headshot of Harrison Ford

36. Harry Ford

Seattle Mariners

C

 

Headshot of Masyn Winn

37. Masyn Winn

St. Louis Cardinals

SS

 

Headshot of Jordan Westburg

38. Jordan Westburg

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of AJ Smith-Shawver

39. AJ Smith-Shawver

Atlanta Braves

RHP

 

Headshot of Adael Amador

40. Adael Amador

Colorado Rockies

SS

 

Headshot of Michael Busch

41. Michael Busch

Los Angeles Dodgers

2B

 

Headshot of Ryan Pepiot

42. Ryan Pepiot

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Gavin Stone

43. Gavin Stone

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Termarr Johnson

44. Termarr Johnson

Pittsburgh Pirates

2B

 

Headshot of Tariq Tiedemann

45. Ricky Tiedemann

Toronto Blue Jays

LHP

 

Headshot of Mason Miller

46. Mason Miller

Oakland Athletics

RHP

 

Headshot of Oswald Peraza

47. Oswald Peraza

New York Yankees

SS

 

Headshot of Jasson Dominguez

48. Jasson Dominguez

New York Yankees

OF

 

Headshot of Dylan Lesko

49. Dylan Lesko

San Diego Padres

RHP

 

Headshot of Dalton Rushing

50. Dalton Rushing

Los Angeles Dodgers

C

 

Headshot of Noelvi Marte

51. Noelvi Marte

Cincinnati Reds

3B

 

Headshot of Emmanuel Rodriguez

52. Emmanuel Rodriguez

Minnesota Twins

OF

 

Headshot of Marco Luciano

53. Marco Luciano

San Francisco Giants

SS

 

Headshot of Ronny Mauricio

54. Ronny Mauricio

New York Mets

SS

 

Headshot of George Sheehan

55. Emmet Sheehan

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Jeferson Quero

56. Jeferson Quero

Milwaukee Brewers

C

 

Headshot of Cade Horton

57. Cade Horton

Chicago Cubs

RHP

 

58. Ben Brown

Chicago Cubs

RHP

 

Headshot of Nicholas Frasso

59. Nick Frasso

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Robert Snelling

60. Robby Snelling

San Diego Padres

LHP

 

Headshot of Noah Naylor

61. Bo Naylor

Cleveland Guardians

C

 

Headshot of Kevin Parada

62. Kevin Parada

New York Mets

C

 

63. Cam Collier

Cincinnati Reds

3B

 

Headshot of Cole Young

64. Cole Young

Seattle Mariners

SS

 

Headshot of Joseph Ortiz

65. Joey Ortiz

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of Max Meyer

66. Max Meyer

Miami Marlins

RHP

 

Headshot of Andrew Abbott

67. Andrew Abbott

Cincinnati Reds

LHP

 

Headshot of Gabriel Gonzalez

68. Gabe Gonzalez

Seattle Mariners

OF

 

69. Luis Matos

San Francisco Giants

OF

 

Headshot of Dayton Hall

70. DL Hall

Baltimore Orioles

LHP

 

Headshot of Samuel Basallo

71. Samuel Basallo

Baltimore Orioles

C

 

Headshot of Daniel Espino

72. Daniel Espino

Cleveland Guardians

RHP

 

Headshot of Heston Kjerstad

73. Heston Kjerstad

Baltimore Orioles

OF

 

Headshot of Bryan Woo

74. Bryan Woo

Seattle Mariners

RHP

 

Headshot of William White

75. Owen White

Texas Rangers

RHP

 

Headshot of Edouard Julien

76. Edouard Julien

Minnesota Twins

2B

 

Headshot of Miguel Bleis

77. Miguel Bleis

Boston Red Sox

OF

 

Headshot of Edgar Quero

78. Edgar Quero

Los Angeles Angels

C

 

Headshot of Jared Jones

79. Jared Jones

Pittsburgh Pirates

RHP

 

Headshot of George Valera

80. George Valera

Cleveland Guardians

OF

 

Headshot of Austin Wells

81. Austin Wells

New York Yankees

C

 

Headshot of Andrew Gilbert

82. Drew Gilbert

Houston Astros

OF

 

Headshot of Nicholas Yorke

83. Nick Yorke

Boston Red Sox

2B

 

Headshot of Jacob Misiorowski

84. Jacob Misiorowski

Milwaukee Brewers

RHP

 

Headshot of Christian Encarnacion-Strand

85. Christian Encarnacion-Strand

Cincinnati Reds

1B

 

Headshot of Robert Hassell

86. Robert Hassell

Washington Nationals

OF

 

Headshot of Luisangel Acuna

87. Luisangel Acuna

Texas Rangers

SS

 

Headshot of Chase Petty

88. Chase Petty

Cincinnati Reds

RHP

 

Headshot of Yanquiel Fernandez

89. Yanquiel Fernandez

Colorado Rockies

OF

 

Headshot of Coby Mayo

90. Coby Mayo

Baltimore Orioles

3B

 

91. Roman Anthony

Boston Red Sox

OF

 

Headshot of Edwin Arroyo

92. Edwin Arroyo

Cincinnati Reds

SS

 

Headshot of Justin Crawford

93. Justin Crawford

Philadelphia Phillies

OF

 

Headshot of Osleivis Basabe

94. Osleivis Basabe

Tampa Bay Rays

2B

 

Headshot of Patrick Bailey

95. Patrick Bailey

San Francisco Giants

C

 

Headshot of Carson Whisenhunt

96. Carson Whisenhunt

San Francisco Giants

LHP

 

Headshot of Charles Priester

97. Quinn Priester

Pittsburgh Pirates

RHP

 

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98. Orelvis Martinez

Toronto Blue Jays

SS

 

Headshot of Jett Williams

99. Jett Williams

New York Mets

SS

 

Headshot of Brady House

100. Brady House

Washington Nationals

OF

[Carlos Danger]

Orelvis Martinez is back in the top 100...

 

 

 

98. Orelvis Martinez

Toronto Blue Jays

SS

 

Ht: 5'11" | Wt: 200 | B-T: R-R

 

Age: 22

 

Tools: Hit: 30 | Power: 60 | Run: 45 | Field: 45 | Arm: 60

 

Skinny: After a difficult 2022 season where he hit just .203 at Double-A, Martinez has shown an improved approach at the plate this season, walking more and cutting down on his swing-and-miss. He features 30-plus homer upside.

 

Headshot of Elly De La Cruz

1. Elly De La Cruz

Cincinnati Reds

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Holliday

2. Jackson Holliday

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Chourio

3. Jackson Chourio

Milwaukee Brewers

OF

 

Headshot of James Wood

4. James Wood

Washington Nationals

OF

 

Headshot of Marcelo Mayer

5. Marcelo Mayer

Boston Red Sox

SS

 

Headshot of Evan Carter

6. Evan Carter

Texas Rangers

OF

 

Headshot of Robert Miller

7. Bobby Miller

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Gavin Williams

8. Gavin Williams

Cleveland Guardians

RHP

 

Headshot of Andrew Painter

9. Andrew Painter

Philadelphia Phillies

RHP

 

Headshot of Jordan Lawlar

10. Jordan Lawlar

Arizona Diamondbacks

SS

 

Headshot of Colton Cowser

11. Colton Cowser

Baltimore Orioles

OF

 

Headshot of Grayson Rodriguez

12. Grayson Rodriguez

Baltimore Orioles

RHP

 

Headshot of Peter Crow-Armstrong

13. Pete Crow-Armstrong

Chicago Cubs

OF

 

Headshot of Junior Caminero

14. Junior Caminero

Tampa Bay Rays

SS

 

Headshot of Jackson Merrill

15. Jackson Merrill

San Diego Padres

SS

 

Headshot of Diego Cartaya

16. Diego Cartaya

Los Angeles Dodgers

C

 

Headshot of Endy Rodriguez

17. Endy Rodriguez

Pittsburgh Pirates

C

 

Headshot of Salvatore Frelick

18. Sal Frelick

Milwaukee Brewers

OF

 

Headshot of Logan O'Hoppe

19. Logan O'Hoppe

Los Angeles Angels

C

 

Headshot of Kyle Harrison

20. Kyle Harrison

San Francisco Giants

LHP

 

Headshot of Tyler Soderstrom

21. Tyler Soderstrom

Oakland Athletics

C

 

Headshot of Shane Baz

22. Shane Baz

Tampa Bay Rays

RHP

 

Headshot of Brandon Pfaadt

23. Brandon Pfaadt

Arizona Diamondbacks

RHP

 

Headshot of Andruw Jones

24. Druw Jones

Arizona Diamondbacks

OF

 

Headshot of Colten Keith

25. Colt Keith

Detroit Tigers

3B

 

Headshot of Kyle Manzardo

26. Kyle Manzardo

Tampa Bay Rays

1B

 

Headshot of Brooks Lee

27. Brooks Lee

Minnesota Twins

SS

 

Headshot of McLean Abel

28. Mick Abel

Philadelphia Phillies

RHP

 

Headshot of Markevian Hence

29. Tink Hence

St. Louis Cardinals

RHP

 

Headshot of Henry Davis

30. Henry Davis

Pittsburgh Pirates

C

 

Headshot of Curtis Mead

31. Curtis Mead

Tampa Bay Rays

2B

 

Headshot of Brayan Rocchio

32. Brayan Rocchio

Cleveland Guardians

SS

 

Headshot of Carson Williams

33. Carson Williams

Tampa Bay Rays

SS

 

Headshot of Ethan Salas

34. Ethan Salas

San Diego Padres

C

 

Headshot of Colson Montgomery

35. Colson Montgomery

Chicago White Sox

SS

 

Headshot of Harrison Ford

36. Harry Ford

Seattle Mariners

C

 

Headshot of Masyn Winn

37. Masyn Winn

St. Louis Cardinals

SS

 

Headshot of Jordan Westburg

38. Jordan Westburg

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of AJ Smith-Shawver

39. AJ Smith-Shawver

Atlanta Braves

RHP

 

Headshot of Adael Amador

40. Adael Amador

Colorado Rockies

SS

 

Headshot of Michael Busch

41. Michael Busch

Los Angeles Dodgers

2B

 

Headshot of Ryan Pepiot

42. Ryan Pepiot

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Gavin Stone

43. Gavin Stone

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Termarr Johnson

44. Termarr Johnson

Pittsburgh Pirates

2B

 

Headshot of Tariq Tiedemann

45. Ricky Tiedemann

Toronto Blue Jays

LHP

 

Headshot of Mason Miller

46. Mason Miller

Oakland Athletics

RHP

 

Headshot of Oswald Peraza

47. Oswald Peraza

New York Yankees

SS

 

Headshot of Jasson Dominguez

48. Jasson Dominguez

New York Yankees

OF

 

Headshot of Dylan Lesko

49. Dylan Lesko

San Diego Padres

RHP

 

Headshot of Dalton Rushing

50. Dalton Rushing

Los Angeles Dodgers

C

 

Headshot of Noelvi Marte

51. Noelvi Marte

Cincinnati Reds

3B

 

Headshot of Emmanuel Rodriguez

52. Emmanuel Rodriguez

Minnesota Twins

OF

 

Headshot of Marco Luciano

53. Marco Luciano

San Francisco Giants

SS

 

Headshot of Ronny Mauricio

54. Ronny Mauricio

New York Mets

SS

 

Headshot of George Sheehan

55. Emmet Sheehan

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Jeferson Quero

56. Jeferson Quero

Milwaukee Brewers

C

 

Headshot of Cade Horton

57. Cade Horton

Chicago Cubs

RHP

 

58. Ben Brown

Chicago Cubs

RHP

 

Headshot of Nicholas Frasso

59. Nick Frasso

Los Angeles Dodgers

RHP

 

Headshot of Robert Snelling

60. Robby Snelling

San Diego Padres

LHP

 

Headshot of Noah Naylor

61. Bo Naylor

Cleveland Guardians

C

 

Headshot of Kevin Parada

62. Kevin Parada

New York Mets

C

 

63. Cam Collier

Cincinnati Reds

3B

 

Headshot of Cole Young

64. Cole Young

Seattle Mariners

SS

 

Headshot of Joseph Ortiz

65. Joey Ortiz

Baltimore Orioles

SS

 

Headshot of Max Meyer

66. Max Meyer

Miami Marlins

RHP

 

Headshot of Andrew Abbott

67. Andrew Abbott

Cincinnati Reds

LHP

 

Headshot of Gabriel Gonzalez

68. Gabe Gonzalez

Seattle Mariners

OF

 

69. Luis Matos

San Francisco Giants

OF

 

Headshot of Dayton Hall

70. DL Hall

Baltimore Orioles

LHP

 

Headshot of Samuel Basallo

71. Samuel Basallo

Baltimore Orioles

C

 

Headshot of Daniel Espino

72. Daniel Espino

Cleveland Guardians

RHP

 

Headshot of Heston Kjerstad

73. Heston Kjerstad

Baltimore Orioles

OF

 

Headshot of Bryan Woo

74. Bryan Woo

Seattle Mariners

RHP

 

Headshot of William White

75. Owen White

Texas Rangers

RHP

 

Headshot of Edouard Julien

76. Edouard Julien

Minnesota Twins

2B

 

Headshot of Miguel Bleis

77. Miguel Bleis

Boston Red Sox

OF

 

Headshot of Edgar Quero

78. Edgar Quero

Los Angeles Angels

C

 

Headshot of Jared Jones

79. Jared Jones

Pittsburgh Pirates

RHP

 

Headshot of George Valera

80. George Valera

Cleveland Guardians

OF

 

Headshot of Austin Wells

81. Austin Wells

New York Yankees

C

 

Headshot of Andrew Gilbert

82. Drew Gilbert

Houston Astros

OF

 

Headshot of Nicholas Yorke

83. Nick Yorke

Boston Red Sox

2B

 

Headshot of Jacob Misiorowski

84. Jacob Misiorowski

Milwaukee Brewers

RHP

 

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85. Christian Encarnacion-Strand

Cincinnati Reds

1B

 

Headshot of Robert Hassell

86. Robert Hassell

Washington Nationals

OF

 

Headshot of Luisangel Acuna

87. Luisangel Acuna

Texas Rangers

SS

 

Headshot of Chase Petty

88. Chase Petty

Cincinnati Reds

RHP

 

Headshot of Yanquiel Fernandez

89. Yanquiel Fernandez

Colorado Rockies

OF

 

Headshot of Coby Mayo

90. Coby Mayo

Baltimore Orioles

3B

 

91. Roman Anthony

Boston Red Sox

OF

 

Headshot of Edwin Arroyo

92. Edwin Arroyo

Cincinnati Reds

SS

 

Headshot of Justin Crawford

93. Justin Crawford

Philadelphia Phillies

OF

 

Headshot of Osleivis Basabe

94. Osleivis Basabe

Tampa Bay Rays

2B

 

Headshot of Patrick Bailey

95. Patrick Bailey

San Francisco Giants

C

 

Headshot of Carson Whisenhunt

96. Carson Whisenhunt

San Francisco Giants

LHP

 

Headshot of Charles Priester

97. Quinn Priester

Pittsburgh Pirates

RHP

 

Headshot of Orelvis Martinez

98. Orelvis Martinez

Toronto Blue Jays

SS

 

Headshot of Jett Williams

99. Jett Williams

New York Mets

SS

 

Headshot of Brady House

100. Brady House

Washington Nationals

OF

 

Thank you Spank I appreciate it! I wanted to look at other players. However, good to know Martinez is in the top 100 if we need to make trade

[Jonn]

I don’t pay to close attention to top 100 prospect lists because they are often irrelevant. But I wonder how uncommon it is for a player’s to re-enter the Top 100 once falling out. I feel it would be quite uncommon.

 

After Martinez start to the season his value plummeted and now everyone is high on him again.

[Spanky__99]

I don’t pay to close attention to top 100 prospect lists because they are often irrelevant. But I wonder how uncommon it is for a player’s to re-enter the Top 100 once falling out. I feel it would be quite uncommon.

 

After Martinez start to the season his value plummeted and now everyone is high on him again.

 

You're wrong, on all that. It's normally stagnant in the top 50, than 50 to 75 and like 75 - 150 are similar and so on. Martinez value plummeted last season.

[Jonn]

You're wrong, on all that. It's normally stagnant in the top 50, than 50 to 75 and like 75 - 150 are similar and so on. Martinez value plummeted last season.

 

Cool. Like I said I don’t care about prospects lists lol. You’re high when people like you. You’re low when you don’t. And different organizations look at each systems prospects differently.

[Spanky__99]

Cool. Like I said I don’t care about prospects lists lol. You’re high when people like you. You’re low when you don’t. And different organizations look at each systems prospects differently.

 

In an essence sure for the later 50FV guys, but the 55/60+ guys are worth large in value. Look at what Alvarez, De La Cruz and Carroll are doing.

[Jonn]

In an essence sure for the later 50FV guys, but the 55/60+ guys are worth large in value. Look at what Alvarez, De La Cruz and Carroll are doing.

 

Sure but there's tons of guys at the tops of those lists all the time who turn into absolute nothings. Probably more often than not. Its a list of players based on potential, projection, and minor league performance. In the grand scheme of things means very little. I was just curious if guys drop out and re-enter of Top 100 prospects often. Obviously people were down on Martinez after he hit .203 but he still hit 30+ bombs. I felt like he really fell off after his ice cold start.

[Spanky__99]

Sure but there's tons of guys at the tops of those lists all the time who turn into absolute nothings. Probably more often than not. Its a list of players based on potential, projection, and minor league performance. In the grand scheme of things means very little. I was just curious if guys drop out and re-enter of Top 100 prospects often. Obviously people were down on Martinez after he hit .203 but he still hit 30+ bombs. I felt like he really fell off after his ice cold start.

 

No it's calculated by so many variables Jonn, scouting, cross-checkers, statcast data, luck, body type, maturity, makeup, etc, etc, etc... it's a lot and of course it's hard to crack the top 1000 guys jobs in the world, it's crazy. Do you want to ship out the next Yordan, Acuna, etc which has been done. It's not easy at all. As for Orelvis, he's made massive strides in his development, he can be top 50 if he keeps it up.

[Stangstag]

Yosver Zulueta pitched in the futures game Saturday. Gave up 1 hit and 1 run but got 2 Ks. Both looking. The only 2 outs he got.

 

Also they used the challenge/robo-ump system and both Ks from Zulueta were challenged but upheld.

[Jonn]

Yosver Zulueta pitched in the futures game Saturday. Gave up 1 hit and 1 run but got 2 Ks. The only 2 outs he got.

 

One of the Ks was a pitch that barely clipped the bottom of the strike zone. Originally called a ball, but they challenged the call with robo-ump and it was overturned to a strike.

 

Velo numbers?

[Stangstag]

Velo numbers?

 

Average velo 97?

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2023-futures-game-statcast-leaders/

[Spanky__99]

Velo numbers?

 

Was that fine, meat?

[Olerud363]

Got to think Alan Roden gets moved up soon. .440 on base percentage at A+ with some line drive power (22 doubles 4 homers in 66 games). Lots of walks with a low k rate.

 

I know people will complain about the power, but Nimmo didn't have much power in the minors either.

 

Numbers compare favorably to Brandon Nimmos in high A, though he is 2 years older. Should move him up and find out what they have

[Olerud363]

Got to think Alan Roden gets moved up soon. .440 on base percentage at A+ with some line drive power (22 doubles 4 homers in 66 games). Lots of walks with a low k rate.

 

I know people will complain about the power, but Nimmo didn't have much power in the minors either.

 

Numbers compare favorably to Brandon Nimmos in high A, though he is 2 years older. Should move him up and find out what they have

 

 

Also people on the board have trouble expressing minor league players level of 'power' because they like to use two power categories, 'power' and 'no power', which puts Roden (.450 slugging) and Kasevich (.333 slugging) in the same category

 

power - Orelvis Martinez

No power - Jon Kasevich, Alan Roden

 

If you move to a three power system, power, line drive power, and no power, it is probably like this

 

power - Orelvis Martinez

line drive power - Alan Roden

no power - Jon Kasevich

[Laika]

Also people on the board have trouble expressing minor league players level of 'power' because they like to use two power categories, 'power' and 'no power', which puts Roden (.450 slugging) and Kasevich (.333 slugging) in the same category

 

power - Orelvis Martinez

No power - Jon Kasevich, Alan Roden

 

If you move to a three power system, power, line drive power, and no power, it is probably like this

 

power - Orelvis Martinez

line drive power - Alan Roden

no power - Jon Kasevich

 

Use ISO instead

 

Roden .140 ISO = average(ish)

[Olerud363]

Use ISO instead

 

Roden .140 ISO = average(ish)

 

Imagine another guy that like Roden has 256 at bats, but he has 9 doubles, 0 triples, 9 homers, 20 walks, 70 ks

 

He hits .240

 

He also has a .140 isolated slugging.

 

Is it the same kind of 'line drive' power as .320 with 22 doubles, 1 triple, 4 homers and a 41 to 31 bb/k ??

 

What does batting average or k/bb have to do with line drive power ?

 

Some of the hard line drives are singles, a guy with 40 to 30 bb to k may not even be trying to swing for the fences, just happy to hit some line drives.