Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[John_Havok]

And the Vlad thing. I'm half joking but half not. I don't think he's coming back right after the four weeks. I can't imagine he is just going to jump back to New Hampshire July 8th. He hasn't even f***ing run from the couch to fridge to get a burrito from what I hear. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe July 8th is the day.

 

But if he hasn't run yet... That doesn't worry you?? f***in Troy Tulowitzki was working out since the end of May... but wasn't really running and... I don't know... isn't really coming back any time soon... and Donaldson was out for 2 days for the last 5 weeks and isn't coming back... basically he wasn't running, and when he did try to run he blew out his calf again and isn't coming back any time soon.

 

So the fact that Vlad isn't running isn't bothering any of you??? Obviously it's not. He's going to run on July 10th, and July 12th, and everything will be wonderful, he will run like the wind and he will be back July 14th just in time for the futures game.

 

You're taking this way too serious.

 

And comparing a 19 year old's 1st time injury status to a chronically injured SS in his 30's whose limbs are barely attached at this point is not apples to apples.

[Krylian]

Todd has Alford.

 

Olerud has Guerrero.

 

Everyone has a hot take and a hill they're willing to die on. For whatever reason, this is his.

[John_Havok]

Todd has Alford.

 

Olerud has Guerrero.

 

Everyone has a hot take and a hill they're willing to die on. For whatever reason, this is his.

 

Good point.

[Abomination]

Todd has Alford.

 

Olerud has Guerrero.

 

Everyone has a hot take and a hill they're willing to die on. For whatever reason, this is his.

 

And yours is trading any player as soon as they become good.

[Krylian]

And yours is trading any player as soon as they become good.

 

That's a very simplistic viewpoint.

 

Factors to be considered....

 

Age

Contract status

Team prognosis

[43211234]

Pretty universally bad nights for the farm. Lots of 0-for's and strikeouts.

[Olerud363]

Todd has Alford.

 

Olerud has Guerrero.

 

Everyone has a hot take and a hill they're willing to die on. For whatever reason, this is his.

 

Your f***ing nuts. I predicted Vlad Guerrero Jr. will not be Frank Thomas 20s version, I predicted he will be Frank Thomas 30s version, in his 20s. That's still a 25 WAR player. That's still a good player.

 

Do you all think life is a f***ing fairy tale?? You've all said Vlad is fine, he's coming back July 8th. Well he probably isn't. I've moved his optimistic return date to July 14th because he hasn't run yet. Holy s***.

 

You are all insane. Can't you see it???? Reason is gone. Common decency is gone. Facts are gone.

 

Hurl is dissing me, but forgetting that June 30th is a date. I said things that are literally true. Poor little Bo literally went 1/18 (1/22) after last night. And Hurl is bringing out the clever Zingers.

 

Me: Poor little Bo is going good for his age. Hurl: Let's f***ing rip Olerud, let's get out the Zingers. Zing (Smiles).

 

Board (Applause).

 

Your all sheep.

 

Holy f***!!!!! June 30th is a f***ing date. Hurl was wrong.

 

Board: Hurl was right. There is no June 30th. He had a clever Zinger. Bo did not go back to back days 0/3 and 0/5.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Olerud363

[Olerud363]

Why? Why not look at the k-rate and walk rate...

 

A-ball: 17.4K% 8.8BB%

 

High-A: 14.3K% 7.7BB%

 

AA: 16.6K% 8.3BB%

 

Not that different between each level. His BB% has actually gone up since moving to AA. His peripherals are mostly the same throughout the levels except that his LD% has gone down to 15.8%

 

I actually made that point in another thread. This entire argument has gone off the rails because people are misunderstanding my point. My point was only that a couple of times when I thought Bichette was going to get hot and get his OPS up to the .900 range, he went into a mini slump for a week or so and took a step back. I don't even know if I had a point. It was just an observation.

 

It's a pretty interesting experience getting slammed for stating Bichette's OPS trends. His OPS was literally .820 a few days ago, and is about .760ish today. In mid May, after he hit his first homerun and looked like he was about to take off, he immediately went into a pretty bad slump. Just reporting the numbers here...

[Olerud363]

He is 20 in AA...I'm not sure I'd be happy if he turns into what Bregman is in the MLB...his potential is way higher

 

I'm not sure his potential is way higher than Bregmann's. Bregmann is pretty good. Age adjusted he could be at Bregmann level right now. I guess people would have to dive into some data to either prove of disprove that.

 

When I said "move up to Bregmann level as a hitting prospect" I was really just talking about the raw stats. I just thought a couple of times he was getting hot and would end up with stats like Bregmann had in 2016... whether age adjusted his stats and potential is as good as Bregmann's is a more nuanced and complicated question.

[LGBJ29]

Your f***ing nuts. I predicted Vlad Guerrero Jr. will not be Frank Thomas 20s version, I predicted he will be Frank Thomas 30s version, in his 20s. That's still a 25 WAR player. That's still a good player.

 

Do you all think life is a f***ing fairy tale?? You've all said Vlad is fine, he's coming back July 8th. Well he probably isn't. I've moved his optimistic return date to July 14th because he hasn't run yet. Holy s***.

 

You are all insane. Can't you see it???? Reason is gone. Common decency is gone. Facts are gone.

 

Hurl is dissing me, but forgetting that June 30th is a date. I said things that are literally true. Poor little Bo literally went 1/18 (1/22) after last night. And Hurl is bringing out the clever Zingers.

 

Me: Poor little Bo is going good for his age. Hurl: Let's f***ing rip Olerud, let's get out the Zingers. Zing (Smiles).

 

Board (Applause).

 

Your all sheep.

 

Holy f***!!!!! June 30th is a f***ing date. Hurl was wrong.

 

Board: Hurl was right. There is no June 30th. He had a clever Zinger. Bo did not go back to back days 0/3 and 0/5.

 

You're *

[Jimcanuck]

I actually made that point in another thread. This entire argument has gone off the rails because people are misunderstanding my point. My point was only that a couple of times when I thought Bichette was going to get hot and get his OPS up to the .900 range, he went into a mini slump for a week or so and took a step back. I don't even know if I had a point. It was just an observation.

 

It's a pretty interesting experience getting slammed for stating Bichette's OPS trends. His OPS was literally .820 a few days ago, and is about .760ish today. In mid May, after he hit his first homerun and looked like he was about to take off, he immediately went into a pretty bad slump. Just reporting the numbers here...

 

Bichette has definitely lost a bit of helium this year. He will probably hold steady in prospect lists, only because it is looking like he will stick at SS for a while.

 

The mini slumps could have reasons we don't know about, such as minor nagging injury(ies)

 

Let's see what he does 2nd half, in AAA

[Olerud363]

Agreed. Honus Wagner or bust for Bichette.

 

I've seen some Garciapara comparisons... is that good enough?? Interestingly their aa seasons are similar... Garciaparra was injured the next year in the minors... and of course his minor league injuries were a predictor of major league injuries...

 

OK - I give up

 

Bichette - Honus Wagner

Vlad - Albert Pujols without the aging curve (162 games a year, .350 average, lots of triple crowns, retires at age 44 with every record including Cal Ripkens consecutive games played)

 

Now -- Should we sign them to dual 25 year 1 billion dollar contracts?? Yes the mid 40s might be a bit rough but by that time 50 million a year won't be much anyway.

[L54]

TIL June 30th is actually a date

[TheHurl]

I think you are forgetting June 30th dude. 1 for his last 19 before tonight. 1/23 after tonight. Has hardly walked in his last 20 games. I highly doubt the jays are instructing him to not walk.

 

Not instructing to not take walks but telling him to be aggressive...but if he is making solid contact with pitches inside the zone it does not give him an opportunity to walk. I know you like to talk 90's players so think Kirby Puckett, he seldom got deep in counts because he made such solid contact when he did swing. Even guys like Gwynn, Mattingly, Lansford...when they were on they would go weeks without taking a walk.

[Slade]

 

 

 

 

 

A little fap material.

[TheHurl]

Holy f***!!!!! June 30th is a f***ing date. Hurl was wrong.

 

 

You do realize that I neither create the calendars nor the Game Logs. Cause if I had it my way I would just obliterate June all together, haven't liked it since I was done High School.

 

I apologize for using BA game logs and I have informed them that they missed June 30th on Bobo. I am actually one of the lower people on Bichette on this board, but using any week to judge a baseball player is just wrong...and when it's an Olerud reference it entertains the f*** out of me.

[King]

 

Stewart and Cumpton were signed to be roster cloggers. Plus they will be relievers, not starters.

 

Romano sucks and Zeuch can't miss bats.

 

Marc Hulet is dumn

[King]

I can't believe this is a real tweet. Jon Harris is already pitching in AAA!

[Abomination]

Meh, we're doing a good job cultivating a young rotation of durable, innings eating, s*** bags to complement our 100 WAR position player core.

 

Pitchers seem to have such a high bust rate in general that I think I'd rather see us buy pitchers and develop hitters. You can always take wildcard shots later in the draft on pitchers you think you can develop.

[TheHurl]

I love the over-dramatic response by this guy though.

 

 

"risk their development" Romano and Harris are 25 and 24 respectively.

[Terminator]

Remember last week when we were all s***ing on that Fangraphs article that had a Top 75 list for pitchers and hitters? Well here's an updated one where he provides some context to the rankings. Not sure if this makes the list any better or not. Apparently one of the distinctions made is that the order of the prospects does not matter.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/top-75-stats-based-pitching-prospects/

[King]

Remember last week when we were all s***ing on that Fangraphs article that had a Top 75 list for pitchers and hitters? Well here's an updated one where he provides some context to the rankings. Not sure if this makes the list any better or not. Apparently one of the distinctions made is that the order of the prospects does not matter.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/top-75-stats-based-pitching-prospects/

 

I just came here to post this. Laughable stuff.

[Terminator]

I just came here to post this. Laughable stuff.

 

He also clarifies that he will miss some guys and doesn't really care if he does. So instead of improving the list he just dumbed down what it actually was.

 

This list is just the equivalent of a fantasy player who checked his Fantrax team and put down whoever he had starred over the years.

[Laika]

Remember last week when we were all s***ing on that Fangraphs article that had a Top 75 list for pitchers and hitters? Well here's an updated one where he provides some context to the rankings. Not sure if this makes the list any better or not. Apparently one of the distinctions made is that the order of the prospects does not matter.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/top-75-stats-based-pitching-prospects/

 

You know what, I kind of like it a lot more now that I've read these points and I better understand the purpose of the exercise. The process is nearly congruent to what I do implicitly, and the factors I weigh, when our annual DDL draft comes around. It's no coincidence that I drafted Jose Suarez and Enyel De Los Santos this year and also gave a lot of the other names on this lists a good, long look.

 

If I could automate that process I could save myself a decent amount of time each summer. I would just have names to cross-reference with scouting reports, rather than have to find my own names by sorting through MiLB league level stats on Fangraphs and BR (which is actually kind of fun, mind you).

 

Of course what he says about Chris Paddack makes the list/exercise fundamentally and irrevocably flawed from any rigorous/statistical perspective.

[Terminator]

You know what, I kind of like it a lot more now that I've read these points and I better understand the purpose of the exercise. The process is nearly congruent to what I do implicitly, and the factors I weigh, when our annual DDL draft comes around. It's no coincidence that I drafted Jose Suarez and Enyel De Los Santos this year and also gave a lot of the other names on this lists a good, long look.

 

If I could automate that process I could save myself a decent amount of time each summer. I would just have names to cross-reference with scouting reports, rather than have to find my own names by sorting through MiLB league level stats on Fangraphs and BR (which is actually kind of fun, mind you).

 

Of course what he says about Chris Paddack makes the list/exercise fundamentally and irrevocably flawed from any rigorous/statistical perspective.

 

Well yeah it is somewhat helpful. It's basically a list that says "here are some interesting names. Check them out and see if any of them are available in your league." Youd think they would put more into it though to make it even more useful. The reader is required to do a lot of work themselves.

[Slade]

I can't believe this is a real tweet. Jon Harris is already pitching in AAA!

 

Harris was sent back to AA yesterday.

[Olerud363]

Here's the schedule for the re-evaluation News Conference which will actually be taking place tomorrow. It's actually looking pretty good, as I doubt they'd show the game live if he wasn't playing. Looks like I might have some egg on my face.

 

Vlad Guerrero Re-evaluation News Conference - Saturday July 7th 2018

 

Special Guests (Politicians and Celebrities) - Ontario Premiere Doug Ford, Game show host Alex Trebek, Rush Bassist Geddy Lee

Special Guests (Blue Jays Allumni) - Paul Beeston, Willie Upshaw, Paul Spoljaric

Special Guests (Baseball Allumni) - Vlad Guerrero Sr, Wilton Guerrero

Representing the Toronto Blue Jays - President of Baseball Operations Mark Shapiro

 

Schedule (broadcast on Sports Net 1 and MLB Network)

 

6:30 - Opening remarks (Mark Shapiro)

6:40 - Comments from the trainers (Huffman/Ministral live from Toronto)

6:50 - Live from New Hampshire Gary Cathcart reveals Saturday's New Hampshire line-up,.

7:00 - 10:00 - Live broadcast New Hampshire Fischer Cats vs. Reading Fighting Phils

[Dr. Dinger]

You need to get laid.

[Brownie19]

Harris was sent back to AA yesterday.

 

Anyone understand why they would do this?

[glory]

Anyone understand why they would do this?

 

Trying to help the Cats win the division? That's all I can think of. Harris is probably a s*** prospect anyway, but I would have kept him up in AAA as well. But they know the prospects better than I do.