Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Deadpool]

It's not ignorant - Norris and Hoffman were highly rated, but not nearly to the extent that Syndergaard was.

 

I would argue that Hoffman was rated more highly at the time of his trade than Syndergaard was. The Dickey trade was still incredibly stupid both at the time and in hindsight. The Hoffman one looks like it might turn out that way in hindsight, but I understood it at the time...

[jimedmonds]

Is there an argument to be made that this is the deepest the Jays farm has ever been? It seems we have a good enough prospect

 

Catcher: Jansen, McGuire, Riley Adams, maybe Pentecost, Hagen Danner

Pitchers: Borucki, Pannone, SRF, Harris, Pearson, Pardinho, Zeuch, Greene, Maese, Romano

1B: Tellez, Pentecost (?), Clemens,

INF: Bichette, Vlad Jr., Warmoth, Urena, Samad Taylor, Gurriel Jr.

OF: Teoscar Hernandez, Smith Jr, Alford, Gurriel Jr., Ramirez.

 

Some will pan out, some will not. But definitely seems like we have decent depth behind most every position. BA had us ranked as the #9 farm in all of baseball midseason, and that was considered "near-elite" despite being top heavy. Between Bo and Vlad rising in the ranks, Alford continuing to hit well, and Astros trading away their depth for Verlander, I expect us to be a consensus Top 10 farm to begin next season.

 

agree with Bobthe4th that without Bo and Vlad, this would be a rather pedestrian group. Having said that, there are some good wildcards in the mix, along with a few of the new guys with high-end potential like Warmoth and Pearson. I think they're still 2-3 years away from fully replenishing the farm, but it has happened a bit sooner than I had expected. I'm just glad that there are some f***ing good positional prospects for once - who was the last one, Travis Snider? When was the last time the Jays had at least two half top-end positional prospects that they developed? I can only think of Shannon Stewart, Shawn Green, Carlos Delgado from like 23 years ago - but happy to be enlightened by more recent examples

[Brownie19]

agree with Bobthe4th that without Bo and Vlad, this would be a rather pedestrian group. Having said that, there are some good wildcards in the mix, along with a few of the new guys with high-end potential like Warmoth and Pearson. I think they're still 2-3 years away from fully replenishing the farm, but it has happened a bit sooner than I had expected. I'm just glad that there are some f***ing good positional prospects for once - who was the last one, Travis Snider? When was the last time the Jays had at least two half top-end positional prospects that they developed? I can only think of Shannon Stewart, Shawn Green, Carlos Delgado from like 23 years ago - but happy to be enlightened by more recent examples

 

Remove the Top 2 prospects from any team (not named the White Sox) and the list is going to look significantly worse.

[Spanky99]

I get that. I thought Warmouth was a short little slab hitter (although I see Fangraphs lists him at 6'0 190 lbs) and thus it seemed odd he's put on a laser show in BP. Then again, I do recall people raving about the HR's that Ichiro would hit in BP...my conclusion is Warmouth = Ichiro. Awesome.

 

So much snark...

 

https://www.azsnakepit.com/2017/6/9/15745126/scouting-report-logan-warmoth-ss-university-of-north-carolina

[Spanky99]

The negative is if you take out Bo and Vlad it doesn't look anything like as good.

 

The positive is that how many other teams have 2 elite prospects like that?

 

Agree top ten is realistic.

 

I think it's an easy top 10.

[MunenoriKawasakiMVP]

Nobody here saying Dunedin won the FSL championship. Cool to see VGJ and Bo get winning experience. Hopefully they will be able to do just that in the show in a few years. Absolutely massive performance by Connor Panas in the final too.

[Spanky99]

Nobody here saying Dunedin won the FSL championship. Cool to see VGJ and Bo get winning experience. Hopefully they will be able to do just that in the show in a few years. Absolutely massive performance by Connor Panas in the final too.

 

The win was kind of meh, as it was cut short because of Irma, as for what they have done, isn't going unnoticed.

[Krylian]

The win was kind of meh, as it was cut short because of Irma, as for what they have done, isn't going unnoticed.

 

Irma. Just like a woman. A lot of wind and noise and often cuts your sporting event short because of their nonsense.

[TheHurl]

Great question from Ask BA today

 

Pick your MiLB Jam team?

 

Those of you too young to remember NBA Jam it was a video game with just a big man and a guard (and was one of the greatest Sports video games ever made). So pick one Hitter and one pitcher from an org. Who's got the best? Where would Vlad/Pearson fall? For the record JJ Cooper went with Kopech/Eloy. Personally I like Gore/Tatis Jr.

[Abomination]

I was going to say Glasnow and Meadows, but Glasnow probably doesn't qualify anymore. Maybe Honeywell and Adames for me.

[TheHurl]

That's an odd thing to hear from a guy rocking an ISO of like .118 on the season. Does he reenact the last scene in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat or something?

 

Ichiro.... .092 career ISO and was one of the most fun BP guys to watch. What he was saying is that Warmoth when he pulls the ball has power...that just isn't his game right now though.

[King]

 

Kumar Rocker on the mound against Noah Naylor and the U-18 Canada WBSC team

[metafour]

The Northwest League is a big power suppressing league. Look at the league leaders and you'll see that only two hitters slugged above .500 this season. Pavin Smith who went 7th overall slugged .415. Drew Ellis slugged .403 and Riley Adams slugged .438.

 

Warmoth has pop.

[John_Havok]

Nobody here saying Dunedin won the FSL championship. Cool to see VGJ and Bo get winning experience. Hopefully they will be able to do just that in the show in a few years. Absolutely massive performance by Connor Panas in the final too.

 

Technically they are Co-Champions with the Palm Beach Cardinals because the league final series was cancelled due to the impending hurricane.

[Captain Adama]

Great question from Ask BA today

 

Pick your MiLB Jam team?

 

Those of you too young to remember NBA Jam it was a video game with just a big man and a guard (and was one of the greatest Sports video games ever made). So pick one Hitter and one pitcher from an org. Who's got the best? Where would Vlad/Pearson fall? For the record JJ Cooper went with Kopech/Eloy. Personally I like Gore/Tatis Jr.

 

Meija and McKenzie?

[5minutesforframing]

Great question from Ask BA today

 

Pick your MiLB Jam team?

 

Those of you too young to remember NBA Jam it was a video game with just a big man and a guard (and was one of the greatest Sports video games ever made). So pick one Hitter and one pitcher from an org. Who's got the best? Where would Vlad/Pearson fall? For the record JJ Cooper went with Kopech/Eloy. Personally I like Gore/Tatis Jr.

 

Vlad and anyone. It doesn't matter how good the pitcher is when you have a generational offensive talent.

[John_Havok]

Great question from Ask BA today

 

Pick your MiLB Jam team?

 

Those of you too young to remember NBA Jam it was a video game with just a big man and a guard (and was one of the greatest Sports video games ever made). So pick one Hitter and one pitcher from an org. Who's got the best? Where would Vlad/Pearson fall? For the record JJ Cooper went with Kopech/Eloy. Personally I like Gore/Tatis Jr.

 

Acuna /Allard ?

[TheHurl]

Acuna /Allard ?

 

Or Soroka just because he's a Canadian boy...and better than Allard

[John_Havok]

Or Soroka just because he's a Canadian boy...and better than Allard

 

Yeah, you could take Acuna plus... like any of 3 or 4 arms from their system and be pretty solid.

[G-Snarls]

[Krylian]

 

It's nice to see some exciting position players in the system. It's been a while since we've seen that. Conversely, there aren't nearly as many arms to be excited about since as there were with AA steering the ship. Philosophy shift. Hopefully things balance out and we see a Borucki-esque bounceback (or step forward) from some of our 'supposed' higher end arms (SRF, Harris, Zeuch, Greene) next season.

[baseballsss]

It's nice to see some exciting position players in the system. It's been a while since we've seen that. Conversely, there aren't nearly as many arms to be excited about since as there were with AA steering the ship. Philosophy shift. Hopefully things balance out and we see a Borucki-esque bounceback (or step forward) from some of our 'supposed' higher end arms (SRF, Harris, Zeuch, Greene) next season.

 

lol it wasn't that long ago AA stocked the farm and we had a top 3 farm in baseball. Stop acting like AA never once handled the farm. He showed ability to deplete the farm then restock it.

[flafson]

It's nice to see some exciting position players in the system. It's been a while since we've seen that. Conversely, there aren't nearly as many arms to be excited about since as there were with AA steering the ship. Philosophy shift. Hopefully things balance out and we see a Borucki-esque bounceback (or step forward) from some of our 'supposed' higher end arms (SRF, Harris, Zeuch, Greene) next season.

 

Out of those 3 all stars, Pretty sure AA is responsible for 2 of them.

[metafour]

He showed ability to deplete the farm then restock it.

 

No, he really didn't. Go back and actually do some research. The vast majority of the players who came up during this supposed "restocking period" were drafted or signed BEFORE any of those two major trades were made (the Marlins and Dickey trades). There is this giant myth circulating which suggests that we made those trades and depleted our farm, and then went out and "restocked it". Wrong. Pretty much all of the prospects which replaced the guys we traded as top prospects, including Alford and Osuna, were ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM at the time of those trades. They were simply in the low minors. That entire pool of prospects was acquired during the period wherein heavy exploitation of the amateur systems (draft and IFA) were possible. What you see is that once those avenues of exploitation were tightened, our ability to produce prospects drastically declined.

 

There is a false narrative constantly propagated which suggests that it didn't matter that AA kept trading prospects because he proved that he could "restock the system" with the proof being our resurgence of prospects after those two major trades. Again, the majority of those prospects weren't acquired after those trades, they were already in the system. Anthony Alford was drafted just two years after Noah Syndergaard. They came during the SAME WAVE.

[metafour]

Out of those 3 all stars, Pretty sure AA is responsible for 2 of them.

 

Responsible how? If you go back to the departure of John Farrell, he was extremely vocal about the lack of attention to player development in our system, which may have been the reason why we failed with so many position prospects during that tenure. One of the key early additions under this new regime has been a drastic increase in this department with the additions of Ben Cherington and Gil Kim. The point I'm making is this: who gets "credit" for Danny Jansen? Virtually all of his newfound development has happened during the past year or so under this new regime. He was just an oft-injured middling prospect with some upside under the previous regime. Yes, he was drafted under the previous regime, but that doesn't mean that his development would have happened in the same way had there been no switch made. The same could even be argued with regards to Vlad Jr. Does he pan out the same way? Maybe he is just "good" instead of "elite" under the care of the previous regime?

 

The point is; this is a very complex question that doesn't boil down to simply who drafted who and attributing credit based off that.

[Dr. Dinger]

You should probably give like 98% of the credit to the player.

[Krylian]

lol it wasn't that long ago AA stocked the farm and we had a top 3 farm in baseball. Stop acting like AA never once handled the farm. He showed ability to deplete the farm then restock it.

 

Who do you think you're talking to right now? What is it that you think I posted? A guy comments that he sees a shift from more of a pitching based strength to one of position players, and you're knocking me?

 

I am the one who knocks!

[Krylian]

Out of those 3 all stars, Pretty sure AA is responsible for 2 of them.

 

He is. I loved AA's drafting and IFA play. My only comment was the strength is different today than it was over the past 5-6 years.

[Krylian]

Responsible how? If you go back to the departure of John Farrell, he was extremely vocal about the lack of attention to player development in our system, which may have been the reason why we failed with so many position prospects during that tenure. One of the key early additions under this new regime has been a drastic increase in this department with the additions of Ben Cherington and Gil Kim. The point I'm making is this: who gets "credit" for Danny Jansen? Virtually all of his newfound development has happened during the past year or so under this new regime. He was just an oft-injured middling prospect with some upside under the previous regime. Yes, he was drafted under the previous regime, but that doesn't mean that his development would have happened in the same way had there been no switch made. The same could even be argued with regards to Vlad Jr. Does he pan out the same way? Maybe he is just "good" instead of "elite" under the care of the previous regime?

 

The point is; this is a very complex question that doesn't boil down to simply who drafted who and attributing credit based off that.

 

I think he just means that AA brought them into the system.

[Brownie19]

No, he really didn't. Go back and actually do some research. The vast majority of the players who came up during this supposed "restocking period" were drafted or signed BEFORE any of those two major trades were made (the Marlins and Dickey trades). There is this giant myth circulating which suggests that we made those trades and depleted our farm, and then went out and "restocked it". Wrong. Pretty much all of the prospects which replaced the guys we traded as top prospects, including Alford and Osuna, were ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM at the time of those trades. They were simply in the low minors. That entire pool of prospects was acquired during the period wherein heavy exploitation of the amateur systems (draft and IFA) were possible. What you see is that once those avenues of exploitation were tightened, our ability to produce prospects drastically declined.

 

There is a false narrative constantly propagated which suggests that it didn't matter that AA kept trading prospects because he proved that he could "restock the system" with the proof being our resurgence of prospects after those two major trades. Again, the majority of those prospects weren't acquired after those trades, they were already in the system. Anthony Alford was drafted just two years after Noah Syndergaard. They came during the SAME WAVE.

 

Well aren't you on a tirade.

 

AA found and exploited loop holes in two different CBA's. He was successfully able to stockpile compensation picks and then was one of the first to draft 5 year college players in the middle rounds for next to nothing, so he could use the extra cash to overpay for HS players. When people talk about his ability to re-stock the farm, they are typically referring the creative way he amassed extra high draft picks and/or highly ranked players. At the time, his approach was significantly better to that used by JP Riccardi. A lot of draft picks fail (regardless of who the GM is), but I think AA deserves some credit.