Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[THANOS]

To think we could actually be looking at a young controllable 3/4 lineup of our own Altuve and Miggy. That's ultra fearsome.

[Boxcar]

Yep, would have been way better to get one fringy MLB reliever and a bunch of org guys. Diversification is key.

 

1. Not sure that even happened

2. Had Vlad carried any value during AA's reign, pretty good chance he gets traded as well

3. He did trade a lot of decent prospects for bloated contracts or rentals.

[Jimcanuck]

Man, a whole lot of hype in here. He looks good for sure, but reality is he could still end up being another Travis.

[LGBJ29]

Man, a whole lot of hype in here. He looks good for sure, but reality is he could still end up being another Travis.

 

Any prospect could run into injuries. Why would we refuse to get excited by any prospect by the off chance his career gets de-railed by injuries?

[Pendleton]

Man, a whole lot of hype in here. He looks good for sure, but reality is he could still end up being another Travis.

 

So basically, no one should ever hype a prospect because anyone can get injured?

[Jimcanuck]

Any prospect could run into injuries. Why would we refuse to get excited by any prospect by the off chance his career gets de-railed by injuries?

 

Sure, get excited, but Altuve/Miggy comp?

 

edit - was referring to Snider, not Devo

[Jonn]

It's a nice to have a pair of generational talents with Bo and Vlad on the way.

[Pendleton]

Sure, get excited, but Altuve/Miggy comp?

 

Scouts (not fans) are saying Vlad could be the best prospect in the game and a potential top hitter in the game some day. Seems warranted to compare him to some of the game's top hitters, and it's not like Bo hasn't also hit his way into elite prospect territory.

 

Elite prospects get compared to elite players

[mikebel111]

Man, a whole lot of hype in here. He looks good for sure, but reality is he could still end up being another Travis.

 

We can always rely on JimCanuck for negativity. You bitter we have an elite prospect?

[Krylian]

It's a nice to have a pair of generational talents with Bo and Vlad on the way.

 

No hyperbole here.

[sdyment]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it may be of interest...

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19668967/eric-pardinho-brazil-first-million-dollar-arm

[Jimcanuck]

We can always rely on JimCanuck for negativity. You bitter we have an elite prospect?

 

not negative, just cool it with the hyperbole. he's in a ball. if vlad hits aa and is still crushing the ball, you can start with the bonds comp

[Slade]

Rowdy injured? He sat for 4 days now.

[jb22]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it may be of interest...

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19668967/eric-pardinho-brazil-first-million-dollar-arm

 

Seems the jays are connected to him quite a bit

[Laika]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it may be of interest...

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19668967/eric-pardinho-brazil-first-million-dollar-arm

 

This is a fantastic article and I implore everybody to read it. The video within is also very nicely done.

 

I had no idea that Japan was having such a big impact on Brazilian baseball. What an interesting melting pot of influences.

 

I love how the Nippon Blue Jays have the old T Bird Jays logo on their jersey.

[P2F]

What if Cody Bellinger is going to hit 763 home runs and we just don't know it yet?

 

http://es.pn/2tPpt2o

[glory]

Remember when Shapiro chided AA for leaving the farm bare? Turns out he may have inherited a generational hitter lol.

 

Well, when Shapiro was hired, Guerrero was like 16 years old and just signed with the Jays. Shaps would have looked foolish if he was hyping up Vladdy as a generational type of talent at that point. Plus, all I remember hearing was that Shapiro didn't like trading all those prospects at the 2015 trade deadline and in recent years the upper minors has been bare. He wasn't wrong.

[baseballsss]

What if Cody Bellinger is going to hit 763 home runs and we just don't know it yet?

 

http://es.pn/2tPpt2o[/quote

 

"Nobody has ever hit 763 home runs, so it's probably impossible."

 

Barry Bonds would have if MLB and it's owners didn't f*** him.

[Krylian]

Well, when Shapiro was hired, Guerrero was like 16 years old and just signed with the Jays. Shaps would have looked foolish if he was hyping up Vladdy as a generational type of talent at that point. Plus, all I remember hearing was that Shapiro didn't like trading all those prospects at the 2015 trade deadline and in recent years the upper minors has been bare. He wasn't wrong.

 

Would the playoffs had been made without the deals? And if not, was it still worth it even with no World Series. I guess that's the question we'll never know the answer to.

[TwistedLogic]

Would the playoffs had been made without the deals? And if not, was it still worth it even with no World Series. I guess that's the question we'll never know the answer to.

 

The playoffs would not have been made without the deals, and it was absolutely worth it. I don't give a s*** about the World Series. Nobody outside of your city even cares about World Series wins. The entire appeal of winning one is to have "lifelong memories" to look back on and remember fondly. We got that with the past two playoffs. People care more about Bautista's home run than they do about the s***** Royals' championship win. Five years from now, people will remember Game 5 of the ALDS; they won't remember who won the World Series in 2015.

Edited June 22, 2017 by TwistedLogic

[Brownie19]

The playoffs would not have been made without the deals, and it was absolutely worth it. I don't give a s*** about the World Series. Nobody outside of your city even cares about World Series wins. The entire appeal of winning one is to have "lifelong memories" to look back on and remember fondly. We got that with the past two playoffs. People care more about Bautista's home run than they do about the s***** Royals' championship win. Five years from now, people will remember Game 7 of the ALDS; they won't remember who won the World Series in 2015.

 

I completely agree. I attended 2 playoff games in 2015 and 2 more in 2016 (including the EE walk off wild card game + a game with my 6 year old son that I'll never forget). I got to be a 12 year old kid again (in a 35 year old man's body) and the winning helped ingrain the love for Blue Jays baseball into my son's soul.

 

I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world.

[Bobthe4th]

Would the playoffs had been made without the deals?

 

Almost certainly not.

 

And if not, was it still worth it even with no World Series. I guess that's the question we'll never know the answer to.

 

Absolutely worth it, fantastic moments we'd not have experienced otherwise. And with no playoffs we'd be well on our way to 90-100 losses this year as a full rebuild would be underway.

[keggy]

Would the playoffs had been made without the deals? And if not, was it still worth it even with no World Series. I guess that's the question we'll never know the answer to.

 

The net value of the franchise has more than doubled since we made the playoffs. Rogers has a stranglehold on the Canadian television market and we have the highest attendance in the league over the past two years. It's difficult to overstate the importance of this point, as this corresponds to hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

You can certainly argue over the Tulo versus Reyes and Price versus Norris from a baseball perspective, but it's ludicrous to question the decision from a value perspective. The long term financial health of the franchise has paid off those trades several times over.

[Spanky__99]

I'll just leave this here...

 

 

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[TD=class: chat_desc]Mike M: I know you’re not the resident prospect guy, but how good do you personally think Vlad Guerrero Jr. is going to be?

 

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[TD=class: chat_desc]Dave Cameron: I think he’s the best prospect in baseball.

 

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[TD=class: chat_desc]Dave Cameron: And I wouldn’t be surprised if he turned out to be the best hitter in the game in the next 10 years.

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I'd assume that's the MikeM that posts on this forum.

[John_Havok]

2017 4th round pick Kevin Smith was assigned to Bluefield

 

MC Gregory Contreras as well.

 

Yorman Rodriguez also reassigned from Vancouver to Bluefield

 

2017 draftees Tanner Kirwer (20th round), Brandon Polizzi (35th) and Ryan Noda(15th) also there along with Jordan Barret (18th), Colton Laws (7th), Zach Logue (9th), Graham Spraker (31st), Ty Tice (16th), and Reilly Johnson (30th),

Edited June 23, 2017 by John_Havok

[John_Havok]

Vancouver also added 6 2017 draftees to their roster

 

http://theprovince.com/sports/baseball/vancouver-canadians-add-six-players-from-blue-jays-draft-class-including-clemens-kid

 

Kacy Clemens (8th), Riley Adams (3rd), Cullen Large (5th), Brock Lundquist (5th), Donnie Sellers (11th), and Matt Shannon (12th)

[P2F]

What if Cody Bellinger is going to hit 763 home runs and we just don't know it yet?

 

http://es.pn/2tPpt2o

 

This was a fun article, ya jerks!

[glory]

Would the playoffs had been made without the deals? And if not, was it still worth it even with no World Series. I guess that's the question we'll never know the answer to.

 

If the Jays were 20 games over .500 when AA made those deadline deals, then I'd probably be more understanding, but he made them when the Jays were a game under .500 with 60 games to go and something like 8 back of the division. They went 42-14 after the 50-51 mark (before dropping 4 of the last 5 games that meant nothing since they won the division already). That's a freakin .750 winning percentage. As great as their run differential was before the trades, who saw that coming?

 

The end result was fine short-term, but it was a pretty big hail mary. Then the team needed Sanchez to go from "is he a reliever or starter long-term??" to Cy Young contender, plus Happ and Estrada having career seasons to barely get to the playoffs the following season. Will people really remember the Bat Flip three years from now when the team is potentially in the middle of a rebuild and possibly coming off 3-4 seasons without making the playoffs?

 

When you make moves for one season, some times that's all you're going to get. Luckily some smart moves and Sanchez breaking out prolonged the success for another season, but it was about as short sighted a trade deadline....hell, short sighted over a three year period (2013-15) that I have seen.

 

Let's see how sustainable attendance is if/when the team falls back. Short-term it was a boom.

[metafour]

So Yennsy Diaz is a thing. 20 year old RHP who they skipped past Vancouver out of extended spring training a few weeks ago. He's got 18 strikeouts in 11.2 IP for Lansing; fastball is reportedly sitting mid 90's and he's hit high 90's a few times.

[Brownie19]

It's not lol.

 

http://i.imgur.com/u4mntvN.gif