Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[KevinGregg]

Miguel Castro has filthy stuff.

 

It's a reasonable position to say that, so far, AA has ruined his career.

 

Can't he just go down to A ball and forget he was ever rushed through the system? He's no older than a college kid

[Laika]

Can't he just go down to A ball and forget he was ever rushed through the system? He's no older than a college kid

 

If only it were that easy, Kev.

[glory]

Promoting Castro and Osuna when he did was idiotic by AA and will remain so regardless of Osuna's success. If you promoted 100 20-year old's in A-ball with the lack of experience that those two had straight to the big leagues, I'd bet over 90% of them would fail. Osuna's success is actually amazing.

[KingKat]

Castro was expertly pumped and dumped by a true ninja.

 

 

I wouldn't say expertly "pumped". AA's kind of lucky not to have tanked his value exposing him to the majors. The best way to preserve his value would have been to keep him in the minors though ultimately it didn't really seem to hurt.

[burlingtonbandit]

Promoting Castro and Osuna when he did was idiotic by AA and will remain so regardless of Osuna's success. If you promoted 100 20-year old's in A-ball with the lack of experience that those two had straight to the big leagues, I'd bet over 90% of them would fail. Osuna's success is actually amazing.

 

Jose Fernandez made the jump just fine. With how pitchers break down, if you have one that you think is ready to contribute to a winning team might as well get all the value you can.

 

Obviously if a pitcher still needs a lot of development you leave him in the minors but if you have a pitcher who only lacks "experience" may as well get value from him.

[Brownie19]

Jose Fernandez made the jump just fine. With how pitchers break down, if you have one that you think is ready to contribute to a winning team might as well get all the value you can.

 

Obviously if a pitcher still needs a lot of development you leave him in the minors but if you have a pitcher who only lacks "experience" may as well get value from him.

 

Jose Fernandez was one of the best pitchers who ever touched a baseball. Let's not use him as the example please. It's like saying Pujols adjusted well straight out of A ball so let's try it with Alford.

Edited January 31, 2017 by Brownie19

[glory]

Jose Fernandez made the jump just fine. With how pitchers break down, if you have one that you think is ready to contribute to a winning team might as well get all the value you can.

 

Obviously if a pitcher still needs a lot of development you leave him in the minors but if you have a pitcher who only lacks "experience" may as well get value from him.

 

Ignoring the fact that Fernandez was a generational talent, he threw 135 innings in 2012 with amazing numbers, and then got called up in 2013.

 

Osuna threw 109 innings in 2012, 2013, and 2014 combined, and had TJ surgery.

 

There was nothing indicating that he was worthy of a call up. AA got desperate because he had no money left to pay for a reliever, and he was willing to destroy the development of two of his prospects to fill those spots. I'm fine with how Osuna turned out since there are questions about his durability, but he should have been in the minors being stretched out. Or at least call him up to the bigs as a reliever after he's had a starter's workload in the minors, so that converting him back down the road could have been realistic.

 

Osuna probably had a greater chance of turning out like Castro than he did turning into what he became. That's a credit to his talent more than anything else that he was able to be this good this soon.

[Captain Adama]

Ignoring the fact that Fernandez was a generational talent, he threw 135 innings in 2012 with amazing numbers, and then got called up in 2013.

 

Osuna threw 109 innings in 2012, 2013, and 2014 combined, and had TJ surgery.

 

There was nothing indicating that he was worthy of a call up. AA got desperate because he had no money left to pay for a reliever, and he was willing to destroy the development of two of his prospects to fill those spots. I'm fine with how Osuna turned out since there are questions about his durability, but he should have been in the minors being stretched out. Or at least call him up to the bigs as a reliever after he's had a starter's workload in the minors, so that converting him back down the road could have been realistic.

 

Osuna probably had a greater chance of turning out like Castro than he did turning into what he became. That's a credit to his talent more than anything else that he was able to be this good this soon.

 

You could argue that he heavily f***ed with Pompey's development as well.

[King]

You could argue that he heavily f***ed with Pompey's development as well.

 

How? He really shouldn't have made the team out of spring training in 2015 but it was corrected within ~3 weeks when he was sent to AA (or AAA, I forget which came first). Now he's spent 2 full years playing at an appropriate level and has stalled out.

[Captain Adama]

How? He really shouldn't have made the team out of spring training in 2015 but it was corrected within ~3 weeks when he was sent to AA (or AAA, I forget which came first). Now he's spent 2 full years playing at an appropriate level and has stalled out.

 

2014 they basically rushed him right through the minors to a september call-up. He spent less than 200 AB's in Double A. He could've turned stalled out either way, but AA basically rushed him through the minors that year and like you said, really shouldn't have put him on the ML roster in 2015.

 

After they sent him down, they put him in AAA, he didn't hit well for like a month IIRC, sent him to AA and then back to AAA. It was pretty wishy-washy handling of his development IMO.

[Laika]

2014 they basically rushed him right through the minors to a september call-up. He spent less than 200 AB's in Double A. He could've turned stalled out either way, but AA basically rushed him through the minors that year and like you said, really shouldn't have put him on the ML roster in 2015.

 

After they sent him down, they put him in AAA, he didn't hit well for like a month IIRC, sent him to AA and then back to AAA. It was pretty wishy-washy handling of his development IMO.

 

That's a harder sell. Pompey had an accelerated 2014 but he produced at every minor league level and even looked like he belonged in the big leagues in limited action.

 

His struggles up in the show and his AAA struggles in 2016 are his own fault.

 

AA did maybe f*** up his utility for the organization though... this is his last option year and if his end development is where he is right now (OF4/OF5) then not having options is an issue.

[baseballsss]

Ignoring the fact that Fernandez was a generational talent, he threw 135 innings in 2012 with amazing numbers, and then got called up in 2013.

 

Osuna threw 109 innings in 2012, 2013, and 2014 combined, and had TJ surgery.

 

There was nothing indicating that he was worthy of a call up. AA got desperate because he had no money left to pay for a reliever, and he was willing to destroy the development of two of his prospects to fill those spots. I'm fine with how Osuna turned out since there are questions about his durability, but he should have been in the minors being stretched out. Or at least call him up to the bigs as a reliever after he's had a starter's workload in the minors, so that converting him back down the road could have been realistic.

 

Osuna probably had a greater chance of turning out like Castro than he did turning into what he became. That's a credit to his talent more than anything else that he was able to be this good this soon.

 

lol forum scouts on here were outraged and claiming that he was called up to early.

 

You've got to be kidding like anyone knew that he would be that good and that you all knew a call up from single A wouldn't faze the man.

[KingKat]

lol forum scouts on here were outraged and claiming that he was called up to early.

 

His post doesn't contradict that. In fact it says that they were probably justified in feeling that way since Osuna was such a long shot. I don't think you understood his post.

[KingKat]

That's a harder sell. Pompey had an accelerated 2014 but he produced at every minor league level and even looked like he belonged in the big leagues in limited action.

 

His struggles up in the show and his AAA struggles in 2016 are his own fault.

 

AA did maybe f*** up his utility for the organization though... this is his last option year and if his end development is where he is right now (OF4/OF5) then not having options is an issue.

 

Not holding him back for depth in 2015 was lousy roster construction. It's possible that it was also bad for his development but that's less certain. It's very similar to the Travis Snider scenario where you have to wonder if it just wasn't in the cards. You would hope that if these prospects are truly good that their careers could get back on track through force of sheer talent..

[KingKat]

 

There was a bit of a process there with Osuna. It wasn't just a hail mary.

 

Wasn't it the exact same process as Castro?

[King]

Ya probably. But I think Castro was a worse player. Less of a future. AA probably cared way less for Castro than Osuna. He was more of a spot filler type, was always going to get traded I think. He didn't have Osuna's pedigree or future as a starter.

 

I think Castro could have got over 100 IP that year in the minors, so there was a risk there putting him in the big league pen about stalling his development. Whereas Osuna was going to get capped no matter what.

I'll disagree that AA "cared less" about Castro and that he was just a "filler type who was always going to be traded". There's no questioning that his stuff his legit and his numbers in short season ball backed it up. You're selling him short a bit.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/anthopoulos-castro-unbelievable-position/

[Nafro]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/2017-college-preseason-america-teams/#ejsulvBQ3cH54ZrO.97

 

Always interesting to see how this compares to the actual season.

[King]

http://i.imgur.com/b6tVmS5.png

 

Keith Law has blocked the BJMB on twitter. Interesting as a quick twitter search shows he has never even been mentioned from our account.

 

http://i.imgur.com/TYFfbsg.png

[Jimcanuck]

^ he's sick of being slagged through the mud on here

[Nafro]

^ he's sick of being slagged through the mud on here

 

I get the impression that he's a little too arrogant, to listen to or read what anyone else says. That's awesome that he blocked it. Maybe he doesn't want any trail to show how much better BJMB's prospect list is;compared to his list.

Edited February 6, 2017 by Nafro

[TheHurl]

He usually only goes off on messageboards that repost his Insider Articles.

[King]

He usually only goes off on messageboards that repost his Insider Articles.

 

Yet his articles haven't even been posted here in a long time, at least since that shared account expired. P2F just posted the list of his top 100 guys he found from another website with no write ups.

[Maahfaace]

I get the impression that he's a little too arrogant, to listen to or read what anyone else says. That's awesome that he blocked it. Maybe he doesn't want any trail to show how much better BJMB's prospect list is;compared to his list.

 

Or maybe he was offended by too many shirtless pics of prospects from King?

[metafour]

[metafour]

[Jonn]

Rub it in a little more

[KingKat]

Rub it in a little more

 

I had absolutely no recollection that the Jays had an unsigned 2nd rounder in 2015. I had to look it up after you posted this.

[Krylian]

Jays sure are able to identify talent. Just wish it was easier to sign some of these guys.

[King]

Ben

12:07 What is the knock on Rowdy Tellez, great slash line and played full year at 21 at AA, reports all seem good from the jays.

 

Eric A Longenhagen

12:08 First, I'd take what a team says about their own prospects with a grain of salt.

12:10 Second, a lot of people saw Rpwdy really struggle with quality stuff in the 2015 AFL and do some things to hit for power (like really cheat on fastballs) that they didn't think was sustainable in the big leagues.

I've spoken with scouts who saw him last year and they say things are better, but they're still apprehensive.

lol

[Krylian]

Just motivation for Rowdy.

 

Bottom line is this...there may very well be truth to what people are saying about him struggling with better stuff. Just cause you don't want it to be true, doesn't mean it isn't. It's up to Rowdy to prove whether the bat is for real or can only handle mistakes.