Brook Jacoby Appreciation Thread

[L54]

Thank you Brook. You've done a masterful job.

[Atothe]

I wholeheartedly agree

[Krylian]

What do you think this offense looks like if Seitzer re-signed here.

[G-Snarls]

Is he the reason Goins can hit now?

[Atothe]

What do you think this offense looks like if Seitzer re-signed here.

 

very similar, the great players are going to do the same things

[G-Snarls]

very similar, the great players are going to do the same things

 

What about Goins and Pillar. That's what I wonder.

[Orgfiller]

What about Goins and Pillar. That's what I wonder.

 

Pillar is the same Pillar as always. Maybe you can attribute some credit to Goins' hitting improvement to Brook, but that's all on the player at the end of the day.

[43211234]

What do you think this offense looks like if Seitzer re-signed here.

 

I'd say trade for Seitzer to have a third hitting coach.

 

Maybe even bring Dwayne Murphy back to the squad, also.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'd say trade for Seitzer to have a third hitting coach.

 

Maybe even bring Dwayne Murphy back to the squad, also.

 

Dwayne Murphy liked guys to pull. He helped Bautista quite a bit, might be useful.

[KingKat]

Pillar is the same Pillar as always. Maybe you can attribute some credit to Goins' hitting improvement to Brook, but that's all on the player at the end of the day.

 

Well Seitzer talked a big game about fixing Goins and in the end it was all wind. I wouldn't have judged Seitzer by what Goins did if Seitzer hadn't made it his pet project. In the end, Goins, ironically, blossomed outside of his tutelage. His pitch selection is better now. Good on Jacoby if he had a part in it but who really knows. For whatever reason, something just clicked.

[Nafro]

Well Seitzer talked a big game about fixing Goins and in the end it was all wind. I wouldn't have judged Seitzer by what Goins did if Seitzer hadn't made it his pet project. In the end, Goins, ironically, blossomed outside of his tutelage. His pitch selection is better now. Good on Jacoby if he had a part in it but who really knows. For whatever reason, something just clicked.

 

I think better pitch selection comes from experience; more at bats, seeing more major league pitching, seeing those pitcher's multiple times. I'm sure Mr. Jacoby helped some, but Ryan Goins has been able to learn from his past failures.

[KingKat]

I think better pitch selection comes from experience; more at bats, seeing more major league pitching, seeing those pitcher's multiple times. I'm sure Mr. Jacoby helped some, but Ryan Goins has been able to learn from his past failures.

 

That would be my guess as well. He's probably had better pitch selection preached to him for awhile but pitch selection comes from pitch regognition and that can only come from experience.

[Olerud363]

Is he the reason Goins can hit now?

 

 

There seems to have always been a debate about hitting philosophy. Patient vs. Aggressive, and 'pull the ball' or 'all-fields'. It would be interesting to see the data, but it seems the Jays have gone from "aggressive-pull", to "patient-all-fields" from the early to present AA tenure.

 

I would think that Goins would be told he has 15 homer potential, told to be aggressive, pull the ball and hit .220 with 10 walks and 10 homers under the Cito/Murph regime... but who knows, is it that simple?? Obviously there is more to it, but "patient-all-fields" is a good high level philosophy.

[nextyear]

Something has clicked with Goins and I think some credit should be given to Brook Jacoby.

 

Goins got down on one knee on Monday night to bunt runners on 1st and 2nd to 2nd and 3rd. Last night he got a bunt hit to the left side of the infield against a shift. He also hit a ball that was shoulder high that he has missed many times in the past 3 years. Goins has good hand-eye coordination based on his fielding abilities; it just seems to have taken longer to apply that ability to offense (I think a lot of it has to do with having many plate appearances this year and increased confidence).

 

Another thing that I found interesting was a picture of Goins watching Tulowitzki taking batting practice a day or two ago; it also seems that Goins has probably learned by watching the good hitters on the team.

 

When all is taken into account, Pillar and Goins have improved immensely and Brook Jacoby deserves a lot of credit.

[Olerud363]

Dwayne Murphy liked guys to pull. He helped Bautista quite a bit, might be useful.

 

I doubt it. With the shifts that have come in the last 2 or 3 years the Murph philosophy would be worse then ever. The team already hits for murph era 230ish homer power. You would lose a lot of walks and singles... see Astros, Houston for an example of what shift era Murph team stats might look like.

[G-Snarls]

Is Smoak getting better or is he just having a fluky good strech? That's a question too and an important one. His swing is so long with a lot of power but a lot of swing and miss too. Colby-ish. Those types of guys can look great for stretches and terrible for stretches.

[HERPDERP]

Is he the reason Goins can hit now?

 

There was an interview not long ago that said that this is the reason why. let me find it

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/how-toronto-blue-jays-batting-coach-brook-jacoby-helped-transform-ryan-goins-into-a-productive-hitter

[Dr. Dinger]

I'm pretty sure our good hitters were already good. What has he done?

[Krylian]

I'm pretty sure our good hitters were already good. What has he done?

 

Made the s***** hitters into good hitters?

[G-Snarls]

There was an interview not long ago that said that this is the reason why. let me find it

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/how-toronto-blue-jays-batting-coach-brook-jacoby-helped-transform-ryan-goins-into-a-productive-hitter

 

Good read, thanks!

[Dr. Dinger]

Made the s***** hitters into good hitters?

 

Who, specifically? I'm not seeing it. Colabello is a mirage and Goins isn't good by any measure, nor is Pillar. Smoak is who he is, and Navarro is just a below average hitter, period. Donaldson, Bautista, EE, Martin, and Revere were already good.

[KingKat]

Who, specifically? I'm not seeing it. Colabello is a mirage and Goins isn't good by any measure, nor is Pillar. Smoak is who he is, and Navarro is just a below average hitter, period. Donaldson, Bautista, EE, Martin, and Revere were already good.

 

Well I guess in Goins's case it would be more like from s***** to merely mediocre.

[HERPDERP]

You guys are still Ryan Goins non-believers?

[Cyborg]

Ryan Goins just passed Greinke in career wRC+ yesterday.

[G-Snarls]

You guys are still Ryan Goins non-believers?

 

I never would have believed he'd hit for a 90-ish wRC+ full season

 

But he did

 

Kudos

[saskjayfan]

Who, specifically? I'm not seeing it. Colabello is a mirage and Goins isn't good by any measure, nor is Pillar. Smoak is who he is, and Navarro is just a below average hitter, period. Donaldson, Bautista, EE, Martin, and Revere were already good.

 

Goins has posted a .767 OPS in the second half. It depends on whether or not you believe he's made improvements or just been lucky. Colabello's babip is clearly high, but he's also hit 14 homers in just over a half a season's worth of at bats..you can't totally discount that level of production. Pillar has gotten marginally better over his previous year's numbers.

 

I'm not saying these things were specifically due to Jacoby...maybe things just started clicking for these guys and would have regardless of who the hitting coach was, maybe jacoby did have some influence, perhaps it was something a player passed on that helped these guys...these sort of things are hard to judge.

[G-Snarls]

In addition to the stats, the eye test is good too though

 

Goins has shown better plate discipline and makes much better contact now way more often.

[HERPDERP]

Goins has posted a .767 OPS in the second half. It depends on whether or not you believe he's made improvements or just been lucky. Colabello's bapip is clearly high, but he's also hit 14 homers in just over a half a season's worth of at bats..you can't totally discount that level of production. Pillar has gotten marginally better over his previous year's numbers.

 

I'm not saying these things were specifically due to Jacoby...maybe things just started clicking for these guys and would have regardless of who the hitting coach was, maybe jacoby did have some influence, perhaps it was something a player passed on that helped these guys...these sort of things are hard to judge.

 

the thing is Goins passes the eye test. He has a great eye and he is taking pitches where they are thrown.

 

look at that sexy spray chart:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=9807&position=2B&type=battedball&pid2=9807&ss1=2014&se1=2014&ss2=2015&se2=2015&cht1=hangtime&cht2=hittype&vs1=ALL&vs2=ALL

[KingKat]

In addition to the stats, the eye test is good too though

 

Goins has shown better plate discipline and makes much better contact now way more often.

 

I'm pretty sure there's measurable data showing that he doesn't swing at the same pitches he used to swing at.

[Followthelight]

I cannot see how anyone assumes Goins cannot improve? Why can't he? No one knows if this is just a blip or he can sustain it, but there is no reason he cannot become a better hitter, it does happen.