Stroman - bad rehab start

[BigCecil]

Expectations are/were too high for this kid BUT, given he is healthy, with the lack of depth behind Price we have no choice but to throw him in the deep end and see if he floats - 2015.

 

If he floats, he is a valuable SP asset and if he struggles he is still a decent arm in pen.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Anyone who had a change of heart based on one AAA start (and simply stat scouting his line, to boot) is a complete moron.

 

No they're not. The guy is basically in spring training, if he was really struggling it's more likely he's not quite ready for the bigs. Remember Cecil at the beginning of the season? Also I was talking about Ferguson who was actually there and didn't "stat scout his line".

[youngtea]

I can't see any way you start him against the Yankees. Even though Buhrle is done physically I can't trust a guy who had a bad pitching performance in AAA.

[Governator]

I'm pretty certain Trouba wet his bed last night thinking about Stroman starting against the Yankees.

[G-Snarls]

I can't see any way you start him against the Yankees. Even though Buhrle is done physically I can't trust a guy who had a bad pitching performance in AAA.

 

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[KingKat]

Getting Stroman into the rotation is definitely desirable but you need to make sure he's good to go. You don't want to insult anyone unnecesarily by demoting them for a pitcher whos's not ready themselves. Skipping Buehrle for health reasons and giving Stroman a spot start/audition seems like a sensible play and depending on how that goes, you could make a further decision (the health of both Buehrle and Stroman are the x-factors here). If you can't justify skipping Buehrle (seems like you could but whatever), then you could just put Stroman in long relief and keep everyone but Price on a short leash. That would surely create an opportunity for Stroman to go multiple innings.

[burlingtonbandit]

Getting Stroman into the rotation is definitely desirable but you need to make sure he's good to go. You don't want to insult anyone unnecesarily by demoting them for a pitcher whos's not ready themselves. Skipping Buehrle for health reasons and giving Stroman a spot start/audition seems like a sensible play and depending on how that goes, you could make a further decision (the health of both Buehrle and Stroman are the x-factors here). If you can't justify skipping Buehrle (seems like you could but whatever), then you could just put Stroman in long relief and keep everyone but Price on a short leash. That would surely create an opportunity for Stroman to go multiple innings.

 

Besides yesterday there really haven't been many opportunities for "long relief". Our starters are going 6 and 7 innings everytime out. Unless someone goes 5 innings and Stro just takes over and goes 4 innings it really seems like a waste to use him in the pen.

[CHRIS]

If you can't justify skipping Buehrle (seems like you could but whatever), then you could just put Stroman in long relief and keep everyone but Price on a short leash. That would surely create an opportunity for Stroman to go multiple innings.

 

I think the only downside of this approach is the difficulty of getting Stroman consistent work. If Stroman is healthy, and can go 100 pitches, and pitch effectively, then I think you have to get him in there every 5th start. The real trick is how to determine if he's ready for the rotation, without putting him in the rotation.

 

It's obviously easier to bump Hutch or Estrada from a veteran-PR perspective than MB, although it seems like MB is the one that might be the one is running out of gas the fastest.

 

Really tricky situation.

[G-Snarls]

Getting Stroman into the rotation is definitely desirable but you need to make sure he's good to go. You don't want to insult anyone unnecesarily by demoting them for a pitcher whos's not ready themselves. Skipping Buehrle for health reasons and giving Stroman a spot start/audition seems like a sensible play and depending on how that goes, you could make a further decision (the health of both Buehrle and Stroman are the x-factors here). If you can't justify skipping Buehrle (seems like you could but whatever), then you could just put Stroman in long relief and keep everyone but Price on a short leash. That would surely create an opportunity for Stroman to go multiple innings.

 

Yeah, I've gone back and forth on this several times

 

All things considered I like your idea here best

 

Gibby and Walker need to have a very frank chat with Buerhle, Hutch and Stroman to figure this all out

[KingKat]

Besides yesterday there really haven't been many opportunities for "long relief". Our starters are going 6 and 7 innings everytime out. Unless someone goes 5 innings and Stro just takes over and goes 4 innings it really seems like a waste to use him in the pen.

 

That's why you have to shorten the leash.

[G-Snarls]

Also it's obvious but worth stating - AA, Gibbons and Walker know a LOT more than we do about what's going on with Buerhle and Hutch. Decisions will be made based partly on inside information that we (and other MLB teams) are not privy to.

[KingKat]

I think the only downside of this approach is the difficulty of getting Stroman consistent work. If Stroman is healthy, and can go 100 pitches, and pitch effectively, then I think you have to get him in there every 5th start. The real trick is how to determine if he's ready for the rotation, without putting him in the rotation.

 

It's obviously easier to bump Hutch or Estrada from a veteran-PR perspective than MB, although it seems like MB is the one that might be the one is running out of gas the fastest.

 

Really tricky situation.

 

There's no point in thinking too far in advance. The question is just how to get him some work right away. You need to find him a short term opportunity because MiLB season is over. After that, you adjust with the information both health and performance related that you gather about him and about the other guys as well.

[G-Snarls]

There's no point in thinking too far in advance. The question is just how to get him some work right away. You need to find him a short term opportunity because MiLB season is over. After that, you adjust with the information both health and performance related that you gather about him and about the other guys as well.

 

Exactly right

[Daniel Labude]

No they're not. The guy is basically in spring training, if he was really struggling it's more likely he's not quite ready for the bigs. Remember Cecil at the beginning of the season? Also I was talking about Ferguson who was actually there and didn't "stat scout his line".

 

Nothing at all is similar. Stroman has been throwing/working on pitches all summer. It was what it would be for any pitcher coming off of an injury...a rehab start.

[Daniel Labude]

I can't see any way you start him against the Yankees. Even though Buhrle is done physically I can't trust a guy who had a bad pitching performance in AAA.

 

There is no way Buehrle should pitch for 2 weeks. He has said his arm is toast. His results are even worse. He needs time off, at the perfect time Stroman is ready to take the MLB by storm.

[Followthelight]

I already said this but I would be more comfortable with a rusty Stroman then Buerhle at this point, MB does not look good.

[KingKat]

There is no way Buehrle should pitch for 2 weeks. He has said his arm is toast. His results are even worse. He needs time off, at the perfect time Stroman is ready to take the MLB by storm.

 

This does seem like the obvious play and because rosters are expanded, you even preserve Buehrle's streak of not going on the DL. Seems like a perfect storm indeed. Where it might get delicate is if Buehrle resists the idea. You might have to settle for the short leash and piggy back.

[SSTP]

What are peoples thoughts on SIERA? ..vs FIP and XFIP?

According to SIERA, we have 3 of the top 10 worst starters in Dickey, Burls and Estrada respectively

[Followthelight]

What are peoples thoughts on SIERA? ..vs FIP and XFIP?

According to SIERA, we have 3 of the top 10 worst starters in Dickey, Burls and Estrada respectively

 

The pitching is still a concern minus Price. They over achieved for month after the allstar break, it's coming back down to earth now.

[dineke]

What are peoples thoughts on SIERA? ..vs FIP and XFIP?

According to SIERA, we have 3 of the top 10 worst starters in Dickey, Burls and Estrada respectively

 

Dickey and Buerhle always outperform their projections I believe?

[SSTP]

Dickey and Buerhle always outperform their projections I believe?

 

Ya I think bc of the knuckleball and the way Burls can control the running game

[Followthelight]

Dickey and Buerhle always outperform their projections I believe?

 

Good point, makes sense with a knuckleball and well buerhle is buerhle.

[KingKat]

Dickey and Buehrle both have excellent pitcher's defense but I do believe that projection systems have adujsted to that in recent years and to the running game as well.

[Governator]

"I felt pretty good. I felt like I made some pitches," Buehrle said. "The results weren't there, but I don't feel as bad about today as I have in the previous few starts. It's one of those days again, I made some pitches at times and they were putting the ball in play."

 

"I felt better today than I have in the last couple," Buehrle said. "I'll go out there, make some pitches in the next couple starts. Whenever that next start is, if it's on Saturday, if it's on Tuesday, if it's two weeks from today. I don't know when that'll be, but when I make my next start, I'm going to go out and give it my all."

[Jimcanuck]

I can't see any way you start him against the Yankees. Even though Buhrle is done physically I can't trust a guy who had a bad pitching performance in AAA.

 

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[Jimcanuck]

Stro question answered.

 

Postseason rotation - Price, Stroman, Dickey are locks. 4th between Estrada and Burly. Would rather Burly but he needs to have a solid start

[HERPDERP]

Isn't a 3 man rotation enough due to off days? If anything I want Dickey over Estrada due to his ability to go late into games.

 

Buehrle does not touch the post season

[Krylian]

10K's in 19 innings.

 

Release Stro.

[baubau]

10K's in 19 innings.

 

Release Stro.

 

Yeah, but dat 6 pitch mix tho

[Krylian]

Yeah, but dat 6 pitch mix tho

 

So he's Tanaka without the strikeouts.