Blue Jays to hire Mark Shapiro as new president/CEO following 2015

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[43211234]

Wow, news to me.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Its not like this doesn't happen in almost every MLB city in any almost any sport when teams win.

 

When I was in Anaheim last week a bunch of scalpers approached me to sell me tickets for Friday night. I said "they must be going fast with Price on the bump". One guys response was: "LAA fans are too stupid to know the pitchers so it doesn't matter".

 

Casual fans are the vast majority of the fan base. They chase winners and so does the corporate money for entertaining clients.

 

I just hope some of them stick around to become better more educated, loyal baseball fans based on the excitement Jays generated for this great game.

 

Two precious items for most people are time and money. Following a mediocre team without much chance

of winning but a likelyhood of suckage isn't conducive to convince them to go to a game. For me living in Kitchener and having to

get up for work at 5:45am for work makes me stay home and watch on TV. But having really really good teams makes me want to go

and watch a game in person.

[BlueBirdBro]

I'd rather Rogers see 45,000 with half of them not knowing anything than have 30,000 pure baseball fans. Let them see that commitment brings in extra revenue. Who cares if the individual knows what BABIP is.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm assuming you have blocked the poster who started the 17 page thread where this has been discussed at length and don't see it.

[TBJ12]

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

 

Ya, I'd much rather see 20,000 empty seats.

 

The atmosphere has been incredible, if you don't like it don't go.

[King]

It's already being discussed here:

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/5362-Decision-coming-soon-for-Mark-Shapiro-and-possible-future-with-Blue-Jays/page9

[Dick_Pole]

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

 

Ugh. If GeorgiaPeach could cheer on a baseball team that only had fans that were up to his standard, he'd be the only one in the stands and talking to himself on a message board.

[Governator]

Does this also spell the end to the 5 year rule or is that an AA or ownership rule?

[Cyris]

Does this also spell the end to the 5 year rule or is that an AA or ownership rule?

 

 

I hope not. I would rather it not be a hard rule and I hope exceptions can be made in very rare circumstances but for the most part I think its a good rule.

Most long term contracts don't end too well. Bad contracts over 5 years seem to vastly outnumber the good ones.

[Spanky99]

I hope not. I would rather it not be a hard rule and I hope exceptions can be made in very rare circumstances but for the most part I think its a good rule.

Most long term contracts don't end too well. Bad contracts over 5 years seem to vastly outnumber the good ones.

 

That's a Beeston/Gillick rule.

[FirstPitchStrike]

Does this also spell the end to the 5 year rule or is that an AA or ownership rule?

 

Steven Brunt said yesterday that he's pretty sure the 5 year rule is gone. That's the cost of doing business & the business has changed.

[art_vandelay275]

Does anyone know what happened to the supposed trade involving Carrasco at the deadline? All I heard was that there was a deal in place and in the last minute, it fell apart. I'm wondering whether that was on our side or their's.

 

According to the Cleveland media, baseball ops is pretty much all Antonetti with Shapiro approving trades even though he wouldn't have done it if he was still the GM. So perhaps it was more between Antonetti and AA and not so much Shapiro...

[baubau]

Does anyone know what happened to the supposed trade involving Carrasco at the deadline? All I heard was that there was a deal in place and in the last minute, it fell apart. I'm wondering whether that was on our side or their's.

 

According to the Cleveland media, baseball ops is pretty much all Antonetti with Shapiro approving trades even though he wouldn't have done it if he was still the GM. So perhaps it was more between Antonetti and AA and not so much Shapiro...

 

Cleveland nixed it. Think it was Hoffman + Pompey and I want to say Norris. However thinking on it, I could see AA nix it as well once Colorado accept that offer of Hoffman for Tulo.

[Krylian]

Cleveland nixed it. Think it was Hoffman + Pompey and I want to say Norris. However thinking on it, I could see AA nix it as well once Colorado accept that offer of Hoffman for Tulo.

 

You're right on the players involved. I heard Cleveland backed away.

[burlingtonbandit]

Its a blessing the Indians declined that. Unless we could of got Tulo without including Hoffman I'd much rather have Tulo and Price than Carrasco and Reyes.

[guylaroche5]

Its a blessing the Indians declined that. Unless we could of got Tulo without including Hoffman I'd much rather have Tulo and Price than Carrasco and Reyes.

 

I agree but I'm not gonna lie, having a Carrasco/Stroman 1-2 punch for the next 5 years would have been amazing

[baubau]

Its a blessing the Indians declined that. Unless we could of got Tulo without including Hoffman I'd much rather have Tulo and Price than Carrasco and Reyes.

 

That is a tough one. Its essentially comes down to whom you would rather have under control, Tulo or Carrasco. On this team I would say Carrasco but Reyes was sinking so fast he will likely be below replacement level as soon as the end of this year. Not to mention that Price will be leaving this offseason so you are going to have to address pitching concerns this offseason that Carrasco would offset.

 

Its a tough one for me still.

[burlingtonbandit]

That is a tough one. Its essentially comes down to whom you would rather have under control, Tulo or Carrasco. On this team I would say Carrasco but Reyes was sinking so fast he will likely be below replacement level as soon as the end of this year. Not to mention that Price will be leaving this offseason so you are going to have to address pitching concerns this offseason that Carrasco would offset.

 

Its a tough one for me still.

 

The numbers don't tell the whole story between Reyes and Tulo. Reyes was so bad defensively that the numbers weren't a complete reflection of the value he had. Reyes's contract was worth around negative 40 million. The Jays should be able to get a pitcher in a huge SP market this offseason. SS are much much harder to find.

[Captain Adama]

The numbers don't tell the whole story between Reyes and Tulo. Reyes was so bad defensively that the numbers weren't a complete reflection of the value he had. Reyes's contract was worth around negative 40 million. The Jays should be able to get a pitcher in a huge SP market this offseason. SS are much much harder to find.

 

The numbers do tell that actually. Tulo's been worth a win and a half more than Reyes since the trade on his defense alone.

[burlingtonbandit]

The numbers do tell that actually. Tulo's been worth a win and a half more than Reyes since the trade on his defense alone.

 

I honestly would think its been more of that. Reyes has had so many critical plays not made come late in games while Tulo has been the exact opposite. I'm saying I think the numbers underrate how bad Reyes was defensively.

[TheHurl]

Of note in the Shapiro signing...his first unofficial action is the unofficial hiring of a Sport psychologist (happens to be the person I shadowed at IMG). He'll be based out of Florida and there is talk of hiring another in Toronto. This comes about 5 or 6 months after one of our threads talked about how crazy it was that the Jays and about 20 other clubs do not have a club owned mental conditioning team.

[burlingtonbandit]

Of note in the Shapiro signing...his first unofficial action is the unofficial hiring of a Sport psychologist (happens to be the person I shadowed at IMG). He'll be based out of Florida and there is talk of hiring another in Toronto. This comes about 5 or 6 months after one of our threads talked about how crazy it was that the Jays and about 20 other clubs do not have a club owned mental conditioning team.

 

Do you know if the Jays will be investing in Bioanalytics under Shapiro or what his MO is on that front?

[BigCecil]

Good stuff. I guess his unofficial order of his business will be:

 

- Fix Buehrle's sadness (misses his dog)

- Fix Pompey being scared (afraid of fail)

- Fix Kawasaki weirdness (need a whole team on this guy)

- Fix Bautista's hissyfits (anger management)

- Fix Edwin's lack of hustle (lack of motivation)

- Fix Pillar's flailing away (no self-control)

- Fix Goins lack of self-confidence (premature balding)

- Fix Tulo's emotional detachment (doesn't show emotion)

 

nice troll...GFY

[vdubmvp]

nice troll...GFY

 

He's a Yankees fan, no?

[BigCecil]

Just laugh at the funny and move on... no need for *******ness

 

He's a Yankees fan, no?

 

If it was funny I would have laughed.

 

Yes I think he is

[Boxcar]

He's a Yankees fan, no?

 

Pretty sure that's LTR. He's like a plague.

[TheHurl]

Do you know if the Jays will be investing in Bioanalytics under Shapiro or what his MO is on that front?

 

Honestly not sure there. Stumbled upon the Mental Conditioning hire purely by fluke. I think what's insane here is that he's already planning hires for Toronto before he starts.

[baubau]

Honestly not sure there. Stumbled upon the Mental Conditioning hire purely by fluke. I think what's insane here is that he's already planning hires for Toronto before he starts.

 

Next order of business: how to sneak Carrasco to the Jays.

[P2F]

Next order of business: how to sneak Carrasco to the Jays.

 

This idea gives me a raging throbber.