Drew Hutchison to AAA. Matt Hague and Ezequiel Carrera call up

[Atothe]

Dalton Pompey isn't hurt and Pillar has been playing every single day. I give up

[jays_fever]

What exactly does everyone see in Carrera, he's awful. He can't hit and he isn't a good defender

[Spanky99]

What exactly does everyone see in Carrera, he's awful. He can't hit and he isn't a good defender

 

He isn't a starter brah, not bad as a 4th outfielder.

[jays_fever]

He isn't a starter brah, not bad as a 4th outfielder.

 

He's a replacement level outfielder who doesn't do anything well. Valencia being DFA'd is irritating and they could at least go out and get a plus defender out there with good speed to pinch run. The amount of roster spots this AA/Gibby duo has wasted over the past 2 years on guys they think are a lot better than they actually are is ridiculous

[bendera3]

He isn't a starter brah, not bad as a 4th outfielder.

 

What about trying to make a run at Travis Snider as a 4th outfielder? I'm not sure he'd be able to play center but the Jays threw Bats out there last year a few times and it didn't turn out horribly.

[FrozenRopes]

I prefer the 4 man rotation. With the way these 4 guys are chucking, ride them until they breakdown. Hague is our best hitter in the minors, give him a shot here. You need pinch hitters going to the NL.

[FrozenRopes]

Is that the best record of a starter that has ever been sent down during a season for anything other than injury or rehab?

[Spanky99]

He's a replacement level outfielder who doesn't do anything well. Valencia being DFA'd is irritating and they could at least go out and get a plus defender out there with good speed to pinch run. The amount of roster spots this AA/Gibby duo has wasted over the past 2 years on guys they think are a lot better than they actually are is ridiculous

 

Or Pompey?

[Spanky99]

What about trying to make a run at Travis Snider as a 4th outfielder? I'm not sure he'd be able to play center but the Jays threw Bats out there last year a few times and it didn't turn out horribly.

 

Meh...I'd rather Pompey.

[nextyear]

Pompey is playing in cf for Buffalo against Rochester tonight. So far he is 0 for 3 with a strikeout, but that is baseball. Here is a link to the Gameday - http://www.milb.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2015_08_17_bufaaa_rocaaa_1&mode=gameday

[gruber92]

What about trying to make a run at Travis Snider as a 4th outfielder? I'm not sure he'd be able to play center but the Jays threw Bats out there last year a few times and it didn't turn out horribly.

 

We have four outfielders.. Bautista,Pillar and Pompey. Revere will be the fourth outfielder, as he is not as bad as he's been performing since the trade, but not as good as Pompey or Pillar. Pillar's bat could be a legit concern moving forward, unless his strike zone recognition improves.

[Sparky12]

So is he likely to only miss one start? Really not a fan of this if it's any more than that

[Spanky99]

So is he likely to only miss one start? Really not a fan of this if it's any more than that

 

Two, they have 3 days off in the next 12 days.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Would not Ryan Schimpft been more useful just for his flexibility?

[Dick_Pole]

How do the Yanks keep finding these guys that can fill in and usually succeed: Warren, Mitchell

 

Said the guy who's a fan of the team that has Colabello, Smoak, Pillar and Travis perform quite adequately compared to expectations at the start of the year.

[ElNik2013]

Said the guy who's a fan of the team that has Colabello, Smoak, Pillar and Travis perform quite adequately compared to expectations at the start of the year.

 

 

Not to mention guys like Nolin, Graveman and Boyd.

[Dick_Pole]

So is he likely to only miss one start? Really not a fan of this if it's any more than that

 

If in the next two Buffalo starts he's limited to 60 pitches, works out some kinks in his mechanics and comes back strong I am a big fan of this. I don't think we can attribute Hutchison's struggles to a tired arm but it couldn't hurt.

 

I really don't see the situation as some others do. If a shift worker gets laid off for two weeks but his employer tells him he has a job after that just that there's some temporary downtime...well it sucks for him during those two weeks he doesn't get a paycheck but he's not gonna be panicking like he doesn't have a job. This is just like Hutchison's situation - we all know he's going to be back. It's not like they will suddenly replace him with Sanchez in the rotation.

[gruber92]

What's the Bison's playoff situation like? Just curious.

[Dick_Pole]

What's the Bison's playoff situation like? Just curious.

 

http://www.milb.com/standings/index.jsp?lid=117&sid=t422

 

Outskirts of contention. Maybe a 5% chance of making it.

[DuckDuckGose]

Luck isn't predictable in any way, that's how it works. It is pure randomness that swamps baseball results, increasingly so the smaller the sample. In a single season, every player's numbers will be heavily affected by randomness that is out of their control (i.e., not related to their skill). If we've concluded that Hutch's ERA/xFIP split is purely luck, then the team should run him out their every fifth day because he's a decent major league starter. Every player must (by definition) be expected to experience neutral luck in the future.

 

We've picked up some information regarding an inability for Hutch to prevent runs as well as his xFIP suggests. If you were to project Hutch going forward, you would project his ERA to be worse than his xFIP. But not that much worse.

 

Except Hutch's issues have very little to do with luck. He's generally pretty good but for whatever reason he lacks consistency over small stretches and pitches poorly. When he gets lit up his fastball is flattening out, he's missing his spots and he's hanging the offspeed stuff over the plate. FIP and other DIPS stats assume that a players skill level is fairly constant but in the case of Hutch you can't make that assumption.

[Sorrow]

We have four outfielders.. Bautista,Pillar and Pompey. Revere will be the fourth outfielder, as he is not as bad as he's been performing since the trade, but not as good as Pompey or Pillar. Pillar's bat could be a legit concern moving forward, unless his strike zone recognition improves.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to an OF of Pillar/Revere (platoon), Pompey and Bautista next season.

[DuckDuckGose]

Why should we believe that those properties are characteristic of Hutch?

 

Because he's pitching poorly when he gets lit up. He's not executing pitches and MLB hitters are expectedly taking advantage when he's off his game.

[Nabru]

I wouldn't be opposed to an OF of Pillar/Revere (platoon), Pompey and Bautista next season.

 

2016 in a perfect world where everyone's healthy and the front office stops making awful decison after awful decison (neither will happen):

 

LF - Saunders

CF - Pillar

RF - Pompey

 

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

2B - Travis

1B - Bautista

DH - Encarnacion

 

C - Martin

 

4 bench spots - Revere and maybe Smoak and two others.

 

I get the feeling Revere will be dealt in the off-season if Saunders breaks camp healthy and playing like himself. AA said Saunders is his LF next year IIRC, but who knows if that will be reality.

[DuckDuckGose]

Why is he allowing a .339 BABIP? And if hitters really are just crushing his poorly-executed pitches, why is his average exit velocity (89.7 mph) so ordinary?

 

My response got deleted when I went to make an edit. I'm on mobile and it was long so I'm not going to repute the whole thing.

 

I admit there is a degree of bad luck but there have been lapses of talent all season long. DIPS treat these lapses as bad luck but he's just not executing at an MLB level in small stretches. I like Hutch and I am hopeful he has figured out what was causing the inconsistency. Id love some more strong performances down the stretch. If he does keep it up he'd be my #3 starter in the playoffs.

[glory]

2016 in a perfect world where everyone's healthy and the front office stops making awful decison after awful decison (neither will happen):

 

LF - Saunders

CF - Pillar

RF - Pompey

 

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

2B - Travis

1B - Bautista

DH - Encarnacion

 

C - Martin

 

4 bench spots - Revere and maybe Smoak and two others.

 

I get the feeling Revere will be dealt in the off-season if Saunders breaks camp healthy and playing like himself. AA said Saunders is his LF next year IIRC, but who knows if that will be reality.

 

I'd move Bautista to first as well, but I have a feeling with his free agent year coming up he's going to want to play RF.

 

I wouldn't bring Revere back at 6mil or whatever he's due in arby. I'm fine with Saunders/Pillar/Bautista left to right with Pompey in AAA for depth reasons (he'll have a starting OF spot in one way or another in 2017). Depends on whether Saunders is healthy. If not, slide Pompey to left.

[puphood]

one week ago, most of you here would approve this move. After two HOME starts, you guys acting like we just demoted our cy young.

god the bi-polarism on this board is off the charts

 

Right on, and the best is some of these guys are trying to use stats and bad luck to justify not sending him down.

[Brownie19]

FIP assumes that pitchers don't suddenly become much worse with men in scoring position

 

Isn't that a poor assumption? I still pitch and I know I go through stretches where I feel less comfortable and I'm less effective out of the stretch. There are obviously people with poor mental makeup who also tighten up in difficult situations.

 

Hutchison has posted significantly worse FIP, xFIP, HR/9, WHIP, K/9 and BB/9 with runners on base throughout this career.

[mellowgold]

Wasn't there supposed to be a roster move today? Did I miss it?

[CHRIS]

Wasn't there supposed to be a roster move today? Did I miss it?

 

I think it was just that they selected the control of Carrera.

[Ambassador Ch0n]

Yeah I get that, but it's still hard to ignore the results.

 

Has anyone done studies on the duration of short term and long term "luck". Wouldn't it be perfectly reasonable to admit Hutch has had bad luck all year, particularly on the road, but to say we don't know how long that bad luck will continue and we can't afford to find out because there's a chance it could continue through to the end of the year?

 

Some continually say Hutch has had bad luck, yet you could argue he's never had "good luck" in his MLB career (spanning 375 innings). He's never had an ERA under his FIP or xFIP and over the past 2 years it hasn't even been close. At some point, we might conclude it's not bad luck right?

 

This was my issue regarding Josh Johnson in 2013; many people said he was just getting unlucky with a high BABIP and HR/FB% against, whilst I thought that OF COURSE he's getting smoked in those statistical categories when he was throwing flat 90mph beachballs middle-high. BABIP and HR/FB% need to be tracked relative to pitch location/break/speed, and a quality ranking system for pitches needs to be developed based on how well MLB hitters deal with said categories of pitches in order to be truly meaningful IMO, because when you just blanket assume that every pitcher should regress to a certain historical mean regarding certain stats based on what thousands of pitchers have done over hundreds of thousands of innings, then you're not accounting for s*** pitches deserving to get hit hard consistently, not due to bad luck but because, well, MLB hitters hit s*** pitches for better results than good pitches, by and large.