Jays pen - Do we have enough now?

[BigCecil]

Its an off day so WTH:

 

Jays have added some key pieces to the pen - Lowe, Hawkins and Sanchez. Loup and Delabar are in BUFF. Osuna is the closer and has been throwing well.

 

Pieces like the Aussie, Cecil and Schultz have been very solid overall. The SP has been going deeper and the pen has responded well.

 

Reading an article today that many feel the Jays still need another dominant pen arm to get into and make a deep run, although options for acquiring that are very limited now post deadline. (CBS - Heyman)

 

How the pen assets are utilized has been the subject of a lot of debate on the Board. Since the break we blew gms to KC and NYY. Even with the bolstered pen its been a big issue for this team.

 

IMO we now have the arms in the pen. Osuna can close. Gibby has to use our other assets more appropriately depending on the situation. Ex: Sanchez, who pitches to contact cant come in with runners on 2B and 3B with less than 2 outs FFS. Id like to see a clear 8th inning guy try to be established. We got Lowe for that role, so lets use him.

 

Other thoughts?

Edited August 17, 2015 by BigCecil

[HERPDERP]

I have no worries about our pen. It's good enough. When our long-man is good enough to be the 7th guy, you got a deep pen. We also have Delabar down in the minors as the 25th man if we need him.

 

Next year though, we're f***ed. Lowe and Hawkins will go. Isn't Cecil a FA too? Then you have to ask if Osuna will be moved to the rotation along with Sanchez.

[L54]

The pen is fine. Using guys in the right situations would do wonders.

[Trouba95]

Hendriks has been grossly underused. It's really sad.

[RealAccountant]

Yes enough Sanchez should not be automatic 8th

[Trouba95]

No disrespect to Hawkins but I like Hendriks over him.

[Mikeleelop]

Hendriks has been grossly underused. It's really sad.

 

Hendricks has not excelled in the few high leverage spots he's had the opportunity in. He's the long man, low leverage guy

[Trouba95]

Depth should be:

 

 

Osuna

Sanchez

Cecil

Lowe

Hendriks

Hawkins

Schultz

 

 

Cecil and Lowe are interchangeable.

[HERPDERP]

If it were the 7th inning against 3 straight righties, I'd use Hendriks.

[LTR]

Depth should be:

 

 

Osuna

Sanchez

Cecil

Lowe

Hendriks

Hawkins

Schultz

 

 

Cecil and Lowe are interchangeable.

 

No.

[L54]

Hendricks has not excelled in the few high leverage spots he's had the opportunity in. He's the long man, low leverage guy

 

Hendriks would have my vote to close next year if they move Osuna to the rotation.

[baubau]

Hendriks would have my vote to close next year if they move Osuna to the rotation.

 

Shouldn't be a "if" with Osuna. 2+ pitches and working on a 3rd which is getting better. He is closer to a starter than Sanchez is. Putting him in the pen is a waste of talent and asset.

 

The numbers are just filthy.

 

1.5 WAR in 53 IP

2.44 FIP, 3.44 xFIP

2.76 SIERA

14% SwStr%

[Trouba95]

No.

 

Then what does your depth chart look like?

[LTR]

Then what does your depth chart look like?

 

Osuna

Hendriks

Sanchez

Cecil

Hawkins

Loup

Lowe

Schultz

[BigCecil]

Hendriks would have my vote to close next year if they move Osuna to the rotation.

 

Not sure about that but you never know until they are given a real shot. He has been excellent. We all wondered how Osuna would do in high leverage as he worked his way up the chart this year. Now we know.

[Farm]

We have one of the top pens in the league. This shouldn't really be a question.

[burlingtonbandit]

Seems Lowe has kinda of been a waste so far. Its clear that Sanchez/Osuna are the 8th and 9th guys and it seems like Hawkins/Cecil have the 7th depending on matchups. The pen seems to be pretty well suited for the playoffs where you can take the starter out after 5 and run out Hendriks, Lowe, Cecil etc...

[Spanky99]

The pen is fine. Using guys in the right situations would do wonders.

 

This^

[L54]

Shouldn't be an "if" with Osuna. 2+ pitches and working on a 3rd which is getting better. He is closer to a starter than Sanchez is. Putting him in the pen is a waste of talent and asset.

 

The numbers are just filthy.

 

1.5 WAR in 53 IP

2.44 FIP, 3.44 xFIP

2.76 SIERA

14% SwStr%

 

Well considering I have no inside knowledge of the organization's plan with Osuna, I can only speculate. Obviously he's a better long term option to start than Sanchez, and I'm really curious where that was implied? I also have access to Fangraphs and I'm well aware of the type of season he is having.

Edited August 17, 2015 by L54

[HERPDERP]

Seems Lowe has kinda of been a waste so far. Its clear that Sanchez/Osuna are the 8th and 9th guys and it seems like Hawkins/Cecil have the 7th depending on matchups. The pen seems to be pretty well suited for the playoffs where you can take the starter out after 5 and run out Hendriks, Lowe, Cecil etc...

 

I'm not sure how you can consider it a waste. Doesn't hurt to have closer types pitching in the 7th. The Royals for example have 3-4 relievers that are closer material.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm not sure how you can consider it a waste. Doesn't hurt to have closer types pitching in the 7th. The Royals for example have 3-4 relievers that are closer material.

 

Meant he hasn't really pitched much so his talent has been wasted in a way. It isn't like they gave up nothing for him. I think he will be good down the stretch though.

[BigCecil]

What a job by the pen last nite. The issue isn't the quality of the arms now, it's the management of those assets. Thought Gibby did a pretty good job last night although Lowe not getting much work.

[CHRIS]

#FreeMarkLowe

 

But yes, feel a lot more comfortable with the bullpen now.

[JaysAllMighty]

Don't panic, may not be easy but we got this

 

https://video-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xap1/v/t42.1790-2/1031160_485996504819807_1182157646_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQ1MCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=450&vabr=250&oh=bccff14d6138a26df138023075814703&oe=55D4AF6A

[G-Snarls]

Yes, the bullpen is good to go

 

And if we make a playoff series you will have Hutch or Estrada in the pen too

[flafson]

Don't panic, may not be easy but we got this

 

https://video-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xap1/v/t42.1790-2/1031160_485996504819807_1182157646_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQ1MCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=450&vabr=250&oh=bccff14d6138a26df138023075814703&oe=55D4AF6A

 

What the hell!!! Is that for real?

[BigCecil]

Don't panic, may not be easy but we got this

 

https://video-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xap1/v/t42.1790-2/1031160_485996504819807_1182157646_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQ1MCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=450&vabr=250&oh=bccff14d6138a26df138023075814703&oe=55D4AF6A

 

I rarely open links on here etc but that was pretty funny and amazing for a pen discussion. I think we are a hell of a lot more stable than that although both Sanchez and Lowe have given one up since the break.

[RealAccountant]

Sanchez is good again

[Atothe]

What the hell!!! Is that for real?

 

Lol yes its very real, seen it on the news a while back

[Pulk_Pull]

Love the depth our current pen has if it is used. With our starters going longer and the ton of tight games recently, Schultz's and Hendricks haven't seen much and I think we all want to see a bit more Lowe if for nothing else but to see what we have in him.

 

Not worried about next year as I think pens can be cobbled together on a yearly basis with smart and prudent moves. Although I am worried Osuna will not want to be stretched out as a starter...