GDT (1/4): Twins @ Blue Jays [Price v Santana] Aug 3 - 1:07pm

[G-Snarls]

Phil Hughes for game 2. Hehehe.

 

MLB.com write-up suggests that his tendency to give up the long ball "could be a problem" against this Blue Jays lineup

[nextyear]

So just to be clear. Goins>Travis ?

 

Is that what I said? No, I said that Travis is a better hitter and decent 2B. However, Goins is better defensively.

 

The combination of Reyes and Travis didn't work. Hopefully the combination of Tulowitzki and Travis will, but no one will know until they play many games together.

[Orgfiller]

Goins isn't necessarily a better defender. Travis is at least above average at second base.

[LTR]

Phil Hughes for game 2. Hehehe.

 

MLB.com write-up suggests that his tendency to give up the long ball "could be a problem" against this Blue Jays lineup

 

I hope we butcher him.

[LTR]

Goins isn't necessarily a better defender. Travis is at least above average at second base.

 

Goins is the best.

[Boxcar]

Goins isn't necessarily a better defender. Travis is at least above average at second base.

 

how DARE you

[Orgfiller]

how DARE you

 

I've said it before and I'm sticking to it. Travis has really quick hands and moves well too, he's exceptional at turning double plays. Goins looks very smooth out there, which isn't a bad thing, but it makes him look better than he might really be.

[nextyear]

No one is hating on Goins. He is what he is, an all-glove guy (with overrated defense IMO) who hits very poorly buts occasionally has a decent day at the plate.

 

 

Until the Blue Jays start winning consistently with Travis at 2B then I will continue to prefer Goins at 2B. Now that Tulowitzki is at SS, I have not been saying that Goins should be at SS because it can be shown that the Blue Jays started winning more games once Tulowitzki replaced Reyes at SS. This is because of Tulowitzki's defense and offense.

 

Once Devon Travis proves that his play at 2B improves the Blue Jays chances to win then I won't believe it. In my opinion, so far he has only shown that he can contribute runs but in spite of what his calculated WAR is, he hasn't contributed additional wins over Goins. I don't accept the random chance argument for this.

 

But once Travis returns from the DL, he will have a chance to prove his worth.

[Frenchsoup]

Until the Blue Jays start winning consistently with Travis at 2B then I will continue to prefer Goins at 2B. Now that Tulowitzki is at SS, I have not been saying that Goins should be at SS because it can be shown that the Blue Jays started winning more games once Tulowitzki replaced Reyes at SS. This is because of Tulowitzki's defense and offense.

 

Once Devon Travis proves that his play at 2B improves the Blue Jays chances to win then I won't believe it. In my opinion, so far he has only shown that he can contribute runs but in spite of what his calculated WAR is, he hasn't contributed additional wins over Goins. I don't accept the random chance argument for this.

 

But once Travis returns from the DL, he will have a chance to prove his worth.

 

What a joke.

[gruber92]

Goins isn't necessarily a better defender. Travis is at least above average at second base.

 

C'mon bro, just stop. I agree Travis is an above average defender at 2B, especially so with his ability to turn a DP. Ryan Goins can turn two just as well but combine the fact that Goins has the far superior hands, then how can you say Goins isn't the better defender? When was the last time you saw Goins bobble a routine/semi routine ground ball? Travis has done this too many times for comfort imo. The fact that people say Goins' defense is overrated is also laughable.

[gruber92]

I've said it before and I'm sticking to it. Travis has really quick hands and moves well too, he's exceptional at turning double plays. Goins looks very smooth out there, which isn't a bad thing, but it makes him look better than he might really be.

 

Lol..

[Frenchsoup]

C'mon bro, just stop. I agree Travis is an above average defender at 2B, especially so with his ability to turn a DP. Ryan Goins can turn two just as well but combine the fact that Goins has the far superior hands, then how can you say Goins isn't the better defender? When was the last time you saw Goins bobble a routine/semi routine ground ball? Travis has done this too many times for comfort imo. The fact that people say Goins' defense is overrated is also laughable.

 

You could argue Travis has more range, there both good defenders. There's no real point in arguing that, but Travis has the elite bat and Goins has the s*** bat and s*** base running.

[Trouba95]

Goins - below avg stick, elite glove

Travis - above avg stick, slightly above avg glove

[nextyear]

I've said it before and I'm sticking to it. Travis has really quick hands and moves well too, he's exceptional at turning double plays. Goins looks very smooth out there, which isn't a bad thing, but it makes him look better than he might really be.

 

I think it is the complete opposite. Plays that look effortless from Goins look like great plays when Travis makes them.

[nextyear]

Goins - below avg stick, elite glove

Travis - above avg stick, slightly above avg glove

 

I can accept this. If Goins can improve on offense (I think he has that potential) then I think he can become a regular 2B or SS on some team. However, I expect Devon Travis to always be a better hitter.

[nextyear]

You could argue Travis has more range, there both good defenders. There's no real point in arguing that, but Travis has the elite bat and Goins has the s*** bat and s*** base running.

 

I can argue against this. As far as base running goes, neither is a base stealer but Goins can score from 1st on a double just as well as Travis can. I think as far as base running goes, they are very similar.

 

I think Goins can get to more ground balls (better range) because he must have the better ability to read where a player will hit a ground ball since their speed is similar. By reading where a ball will be hit I mean by observing the track of the thrown ball and the angle of the hitter's bat before he even hits the ball. There is no question that some players are better than others at predicting where a ball will be hit.

[Orgfiller]

Travis is easily faster than Goins. Goins is pretty slow and he rates as a below average baserunner while Travis rates as a positive baserunner (both by BsR).

[Stangstag]

Until the Blue Jays start winning consistently with Travis at 2B then I will continue to prefer Goins at 2B. Now that Tulowitzki is at SS, I have not been saying that Goins should be at SS because it can be shown that the Blue Jays started winning more games once Tulowitzki replaced Reyes at SS. This is because of Tulowitzki's defense and offense.

 

Once Devon Travis proves that his play at 2B improves the Blue Jays chances to win then I won't believe it. In my opinion, so far he has only shown that he can contribute runs but in spite of what his calculated WAR is, he hasn't contributed additional wins over Goins. I don't accept the random chance argument for this.

 

But once Travis returns from the DL, he will have a chance to prove his worth.

 

My god.

 

http://media.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/giphy.gif

[Stangstag]

C'mon bro, just stop. I agree Travis is an above average defender at 2B, especially so with his ability to turn a DP. Ryan Goins can turn two just as well but combine the fact that Goins has the far superior hands, then how can you say Goins isn't the better defender? When was the last time you saw Goins bobble a routine/semi routine ground ball? Travis has done this too many times for comfort imo. The fact that people say Goins' defense is overrated is also laughable.

 

I'll back you on this Gruber. I love Travis, but Goins is a better defender.

 

[Atothe]

Can we ban nextyear, travis is having a wonderful season despite the injury. Nextyear should be on everyone's il Edited August 4, 2015 by Atothe

[baloojayz]

Travis is easily faster than Goins. Goins is pretty slow and he rates as a below average baserunner while Travis rates as a positive baserunner (both by BsR).

 

Yeah but when it comes to 2B defence its not even close. Goins > Travis

[Rafters]

Wonder how Travis would look in the outfield If needed ....Tigers were playing him there in the minors Edited August 4, 2015 by Rafters

[baloojayz]

wonder how travis would look in the outfield if needed ....tigers were playing him there in the minors

 

omg

[labadee]

I'm in Monaco at the moment and loving what I'm hearing about Price. Go jays go!

[baubau]

Wonder how Travis would look in the outfield If needed ....Tigers were playing him there in the minors

 

...Cause they had this Kingsler dude who was playing 2B pretty well.

 

http://imgick.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/width620/img/tigers_impact/photo/15635793-mmmain.jpg

 

I have to admit, I think Jays fans should be thanking Kingsler. Because he rejected the trade to Toronto from Texas and went to Detroit, AA was able to get Travis. I am not saying Travis is better than Kingsler but he is a lot more cost effective and a solid 2B so far, which will hold great for this team heading forward.

[Boxcar]

Until the Blue Jays start winning consistently with Travis at 2B then I will continue to prefer Goins at 2B. Now that Tulowitzki is at SS, I have not been saying that Goins should be at SS because it can be shown that the Blue Jays started winning more games once Tulowitzki replaced Reyes at SS. This is because of Tulowitzki's defense and offense.

 

Once Devon Travis proves that his play at 2B improves the Blue Jays chances to win then I won't believe it. In my opinion, so far he has only shown that he can contribute runs but in spite of what his calculated WAR is, he hasn't contributed additional wins over Goins. I don't accept the random chance argument for this.

 

But once Travis returns from the DL, he will have a chance to prove his worth.

 

I really hope the most important decision you have to make each day is what to eat for breakfast.

[Boxcar]

Can we ban nextyear, travis is having a wonderful season despite the injury. Nextyear should be on everyone's il

 

He's harmless. If you don't take it seriously, it's pretty funny.

 

The scary thing, though, is that this is probably how a lot of fans think. Yikes.

[Boxcar]

C'mon bro, just stop. I agree Travis is an above average defender at 2B, especially so with his ability to turn a DP. Ryan Goins can turn two just as well but combine the fact that Goins has the far superior hands, then how can you say Goins isn't the better defender? When was the last time you saw Goins bobble a routine/semi routine ground ball? Travis has done this too many times for comfort imo. The fact that people say Goins' defense is overrated is also laughable.

 

Ryan Goins is the best defensive 2B in all of baseball, amirite?

[KingKat]

 

I knew what clip that would be before even clicking.

[HERPDERP]

http://i.imgur.com/LmfEj6k.jpg