FireAlexAnthopoulos Verified Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 When Beeston is replaced we might find out what really happened in 2012 and who made the decisions. The 2012 trades were anomalies. The trades before and after have been either good or debatable at least. This is a lame excuse. Dan Jennings works for Loria. Sandy Alderson works for the Wilpons. They both still fleeced us.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Maybe thats why Dan Douquette might have been worth Hoffman. First choice was Kenny Williams though and reportedly, part of the reasoning for going after Duquette was because he worked in Canada before. I wouldn't have traded Hoffman for a GM. There simply isn't any precedent for it. Friedman's another story though...
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 This is a lame excuse. Dan Jennings works for Loria. Sandy Alderson works for the Wilpons. They both still fleeced us. And both are going to be fired at season's end, especially with the Marlins pitiful performance, and the Mets a difficult call for the playoffs.
Praxis Verified Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 2010: 85-77, 4th in division, $86m payroll 2011: 81-81, 4th in division, $76m payroll 2012: 73-89, 4th in division, $103m payroll 2013: 74-88, 5th in division, $127m payroll 2014: 83-79, 3rd in division, $137m payroll 2015: 45-46, 4th in division, $127m payroll Bye AA.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 I swear to God last year Jaysfan2014 would incessantly go on about how the Yankees were in trouble. How they had old players, and bad contracts, and how they would be crippled for years. Well you know what Bud, Yankees are in first place again, I would have AROD 10 times more than that piece of s*** deal with Reyes. Well the Yankees are well in contention this year.. for now. Whether they hold it will depend on A-Rod's, Ellsbury's and Tex's health, getting anything out of 2B, hoping Tanaka and/or Pineda doesn't break down, and whether they can beat teams in their division and the West (BTW, they're the only team and Baltimore with winning records vs. the Central.) Plus, their starting pitching staff has issues after Tanaka and Pineda, with Sabathia breaking down, Nova being absolute garbage, Eovaldi being a question mark (despite a 9-2 record, he is still getting hit too hard), and Warren misplaced in the bullpen.. when he should be starting over Nova. Don't expect a busy deadline for the Yanks.. their farm is mixed, and Judge/Refsnyder/Sanchez/Severino are untouchable, so don't expect them to make any large moves. They also need a little more bullpen depth as well.. They could make the postseason.. but are also a risk to regress in the 2nd half, depending on health.
CJ-Freeway Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Donaldson trade FTW. Approve, even though I dislike to admit it.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Donaldson trade FTW. Approve, even though I dislike to admit it. lol
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 This is a lame excuse. Dan Jennings works for Loria. Sandy Alderson works for the Wilpons. They both still fleeced us. You and glory... RINSE AND REPEAT!
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 To the haters - I'd be interested to know who you think are the "good" GM's in baseball and who's the guy we'd be able to get who would obviously be better than AA?
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) To the haters - I'd be interested to know who you think are the "good" GM's in baseball and who's the guy we'd be able to get who would obviously be better than AA? Farhan Zaidi Neal Huntington (somehow) Jed Hoyer John Mozeliak Jeff Luhnow Brian Sabean (unsure if luck, but can't deny the success) Matt Silverman Chris Antonetti Alex Anthopoulos is a willful moron, and he should probably realize that he knows a lot less than the plebs who slave away under him for 14 bucks an hour. Edited July 14, 2015 by Boxcar
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 I'm still hoping something reasonable works out with Duquette, though. No thanks. I'd do what the Astros did and hire a scouting director/head of stats/some other lieutenant in a good org like Tampa, St. Louis, LA, Chicago, etc.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Farhan Zaidi Neal Huntington (somehow) Jed Hoyer John Mozeliak Jeff Luhnow Brian Sabean (unsure if luck, but can't deny the success) Matt Silverman Chris Antonetti Alex Anthopoulos is a willful moron, and he should probably realize that he knows a lot less than the plebs who slave away under him for 14 bucks an hour. I disagree on Matt Silverman and Chris Antonetti. Silverman hasn't proven anything yet, and has still has many of Friedman's leftovers, and faces serious financial limitations (more than Oakland) Let's wait and see how his draft picks go, plus the Rays chances of even being a competitive team that isn't at risk of being blown up in a fire sale depend on a new stadium. And Chris Antonetti has done well with pitching.. but his team is still awful because they have failed to develop bats, and have had frequently horrid defensive teams. Jeff Lunhow faces a huge test this deadline.. does he blow the farm system to try to win now (don't do it!), or does he stay the course and stick to developing from within (recommended.. the Astros aren't making the postseason, especially with Springer out until mid August at best.)
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Hey, at least we're not the Orioles. One of the worst farm systems in the majors, and likely screwed for the next few years because Dan Duqette made some bad trades (Miller for Ed-Rod, anyone?) and standing to lose most of their core to free agency, with little chance of them being resigned due to cheap ownership(due to the MASN fight with the Nats) and Manny Machado's huge arb raise coming in 2016. Oh, and top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy has bust written all over him due to injuries. Or the Detroit Tigers, who have the worst farm in the majors, and will begin paying for it next year ($111.8M for 5 players, losing Price, Davis, Avila and Cespedes, and about to see JD Martinez's salary spike.. what a mess that franchise is.) There are worse GMs in the majors.. AA isn't terrible, but he isn't great due to some errors (Dickey, Gomes). Still, the team is in better shape than it would've been if we had kept all those prospects.. we'd be waiting until 2016 or later before we were even competitive. And Bautista and EE would've demanded trades by now if that had been the case..
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Farhan Zaidi Neal Huntington (somehow) Jed Hoyer John Mozeliak Jeff Luhnow Brian Sabean (unsure if luck, but can't deny the success) Matt Silverman Chris Antonetti Alex Anthopoulos is a willful moron, and he should probably realize that he knows a lot less than the plebs who slave away under him for 14 bucks an hour. Neil Hunington is what your description of AA is pretty much. He knows there are a lot more smart people in the org. than him and he listens to them. To be a GM you have to be much more than some smart stats guy etc.. Honestly as a GM you just need to be a great negotiator and people person who listens to the smart people around him. Just have the analytics guys and scouts tell you who to get and you get them for the best price.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Alex Anthopoulos is a willful moron, and he should probably realize that he knows a lot less than the plebs who slave away under him for 14 bucks an hour. Billy Beane? Neil Hunington is what your description of AA is pretty much. He knows there are a lot more smart people in the org. than him and he listens to them. I don't think that's the case, nope, lol Maybe not the best idea to conject things about front offices to prove your point
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Sometimes I wish this team acted like Real Madrid or something even though it's reckless. They fired their coach 1 year after winning champions league and this team give GMs 7 years to crack the playoffs before firing them.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 To the haters - I'd be interested to know who you think are the "good" GM's in baseball and who's the guy we'd be able to get who would obviously be better than AA? Why does not blindly supporting a GM mean you're a hater?
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Billy Beane? I don't think that's the case, nope, lol Maybe not the best idea to conject things about front offices to prove your point Plz don't quote.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Sometimes I wish this team acted like Real Madrid or something even though it's reckless. They fired their coach 1 year after winning champions league and this team give GMs 7 years to crack the playoffs before firing them. Soccer doesn't have 7 levels of minor league talent that kids have togo through to develop. It makes sense to give GM'S 5+ years to see how they work unless they do egregiously baffling s*** *cough** davestewart** cough**
GD Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Plz don't quote. Thoughts on that quote? looooool
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Thoughts on that quote? looooool Making up stuff and than agreeing with yourself is always a sound way to argue.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Kenny Williams has made the playoffs so it makes sense Rogers has him at the top of their list. It's also more likely that the White Sox let him go after this season.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Kenny Williams has made the playoffs so it makes sense Rogers has him at the top of their list. It's also more likely that the White Sox let him go after this season. Go look at the White Sox team right now. Is that something you want?
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Kenny Williams has made the playoffs so it makes sense Rogers has him at the top of their list. It's also more likely that the White Sox let him go after this season. With Dombrowski rumored to be available at the end of the season (given the Tigers window shrinking it would make sense for him to jump ship at this point), I think he'd be on the top of Rogers' list. Williams was just one of the names that Eddie was given when he 'wisely' asked a rival for help in finding a new team president.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Go look at the White Sox team right now. Is that something you want? Read again kiddo and tell me where I said I want him. He was Rogers's first choice to replace Beeston so I'm just pointing out that White Sox may let him go after a disappointing season.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 With Dombrowski rumored to be available at the end of the season (given the Tigers window shrinking it would make sense for him to jump ship at this point), I think he'd be on the top of Rogers' list. Williams was just one of the names that Eddie was given when he 'wisely' asked a rival for help in finding a new team president. You be wrong: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541636715006283776
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 With Dombrowski rumored to be available at the end of the season (given the Tigers window shrinking it would make sense for him to jump ship at this point), I think he'd be on the top of Rogers' list. Williams was just one of the names that Eddie was given when he 'wisely' asked a rival for help in finding a new team president. Most likely. He and Ausmus are likely to be fired at season's end if the Tigers miss the playoffs.. and that franchise is heading for some seriously lean years ahead, with heavy losing seasons ahead and no payroll flexibility for a very long time. Thanks for Devon Travis, though! That trade was awful for the Tigers... especially as Kinsler is in serious decline. As for Kenny Williams.. it's uncertain where the White Sox are headed with him after this disaster of a season.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 You be wrong: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541636715006283776 From what I remember, Rogers was given two names, Williams and Duquette. He tampered with both of them, but only the Duquette stuff went far enough to where it was almost realistic. It's possible they may cast a wider net this time around, especially with more names potentially available.
Zaun of the Dead Verified Member Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I would so much rather have AA than dombrowski. the tigers are a complete mess.
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