John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Terminator]

Gibby has been better recently.

 

And by better I mean he hasn't been making the repeated mind-numbing decisions every other game like he was in April.

[Cyborg]

Floyd only had 22 pitches. No reason Tepera should be out there.

[BigCecil]

Floyd only had 22 pitches. No reason Tepera should be out there.

 

Exactly. 3 IP for Floyd easy.

[bones10]

I thought Tepera was a lefty specialist.

[intentional wok]

Exactly. 3 IP for Floyd easy.

 

I didn't realize Floyd had only thrown 22. I guess he probably could have had another inning in him. I don't necessarily think this is on Gibbons, though. Tepera would have eventually been needed if the offense continued to struggle. He'd eventually have been needed for a save even if they managed to put a run up. I guess one could argue that Floyd was better off facing the top of the order, but Tepera would eventually have had to come in. I honestly don't think this move was egregious. At worst, maybe slightly premature.

 

Gibby was on his last option and would, at best, have very shortly needed to pull the trigger anyway. Plus if Tepera is as good against lefties as they claim his skillset to be, it's not unreasonable for him to face Belt, Span, Panik, etc. Arnold Leon coming out of nowhere vs. Steven Souza this is not, IMO.

[nextyear]

No, Gibbons can't be blamed for Tepera's performance today. It was a good test of Tepera's potential and Tepera showed that he is still not ready for the major leagues.

[Cyborg]

I might have preferred Dickey and then Estrada pushed up.

[glory]

Tepera being up in the first place is likely due to Gibbons, but then again, it's probably time to stop blaming Redneck Cito and putting some blame on Atkins and co. for accommodating him.

[intentional wok]

Tepera being up in the first place is likely due to Gibbons, but then again, it's probably time to stop blaming Redneck Cito and putting some blame on Atkins and co. for accommodating him.

 

The only other option is, who, Venditte? I like him more than Tepera, but maybe he's been pitching a lot lately and Tepera was fresh. Maybe Tepera had some good outings and they wanted to catch some lightning. With the Giants' lefty-heavy lineup, Tepera seems like an obvious fit for a one-series replacement while a guy is on leave. Gibby waited until pretty much the last minute to use him. I can't honestly say Gibby did anything wrong here.

[BigCecil]

I didn't realize Floyd had only thrown 22. I guess he probably could have had another inning in him. I don't necessarily think this is on Gibbons, though. Tepera would have eventually been needed if the offense continued to struggle. He'd eventually have been needed for a save even if they managed to put a run up. I guess one could argue that Floyd was better off facing the top of the order, but Tepera would eventually have had to come in. I honestly don't think this move was egregious. At worst, maybe slightly premature.

 

Gibby was on his last option and would, at best, have very shortly needed to pull the trigger anyway. Plus if Tepera is as good against lefties as they claim his skillset to be, it's not unreasonable for him to face Belt, Span, Panik, etc. Arnold Leon coming out of nowhere vs. Steven Souza this is not, IMO.

 

Didn't you say you hated "IMO" awhile back? There were many reasons we lost this game. Tepera was just one. We should have won it before Gibby even had a chance to make the decision to take Floyd out.

[burlingtonbandit]

Venditte and Tepera are both horrible and shouldn't be on the roster.

[nextyear]

There was also the bunt in front of home base that Martin threw to 2nd on a one hop and was not held onto by Tulowitzki. That should have been the first out; it was Martin's fault but at one time Tulowitzki would have held onto it.

 

What is wrong with Tulowitzki; he went 61 straight games as a Blue Jay with no errors and now I think he has about 6 errors in the past 2 weeks or so(?) Someone mentioned that he had to switch from his floppy old glove to a newer glove, maybe he needs to get his old faithful glove back. Luckily he hasn't started throwing balls away, except for one.

 

It is so frustrating seeing these Blue Jays revert back to the old, unreliable team. At least the Raptors and St Louis Blues won today.

Edited May 12, 2016 by nextyear

[Stangstag]

There was also the bunt in front of home base that Martin threw to 2nd on a one hop and was not held onto by Tulowitzki. That should have been the first out; it was Martin's fault but at one time Tulowitzki would have held onto it.

 

What is wrong with Tulowitzki; he went 61 straight games as a Blue Jay with no errors and now I think he has about 6 errors in the past 2 weeks or so(?) Someone mentioned that he had to switch from his floppy old glove to a newer glove, maybe he needs to get his old faithful glove back. Luckily he hasn't started throwing balls away, except for one.

 

It is so frustrating seeing these Blue Jays revert back to the old, unreliable team. At least the Raptors and St Louis Blues won today.

 

He switched gloves like a month ago. I don't think that has anything to do with the errors.

[bronson44]

I might have preferred Dickey and then Estrada pushed up.

 

Dickey came in to bunt earlier so was already used. You could argue that he should have just used Happ instead knowing he might need to go to Dickey later however.

[intentional wok]

Didn't you say you hated "IMO" awhile back?

 

Internet chatter has ruined me.

[pickoff22]

Floyd had thrown 3 of 4 games and threw back to back days for the first time ever just the other day. You couldn't bring him back out. Roster composition is more to blame than in game management for this one....though ultimately our defense is the culprit as a whole.

[y2j44]

I have many gripes about Gibbons. He is obviously awful. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been sitting at home with no job when AA went calling on him. However, the pitching change is no one of my gripes, he had no choice but to go with Tepara yesterday.

 

My latest gripe though is that I have no idea why you would move Pillar out of the 7th hole back to lead off when it was obviously not working before. Saunders was hitting great at leadoff, pillar was stroking at in the 7th hole. The team seemed to be coming out of it a bit. Why mess with that? Utter buffoonery

[Stangstag]

I have many gripes about Gibbons. He is obviously awful. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been sitting at home with no job when AA went calling on him. However, the pitching change is no one of my gripes, he had no choice but to go with Tepara yesterday.

 

My latest gripe though is that I have no idea why you would move Pillar out of the 7th hole back to lead off when it was obviously not working before. Saunders was hitting great at leadoff, pillar was stroking at in the 7th hole. The team seemed to be coming out of it a bit. Why mess with that? Utter buffoonery

 

Because Pillar was hot, and also because we were playing NL games with Smoak out of the lineup. And it worked too. Saunders came up with big hits every game.

 

Now that we have the DH back, we'll likely see Saunders hitting 1st

[y2j44]

Because Pillar was hot, and also because we were playing NL games with Smoak out of the lineup. And it worked too. Saunders came up with big hits every game.

 

Now that we have the DH back, we'll likely see Saunders hitting 1st

 

"Because Pillar was hot,"

Then leave Pillar in the same spot. Saunders was not slumping in the leadoff, he was hitting well too, so why change

 

"and also because we were playing NL games"

How does this matter? Saunders plays LF and Pillar is CF.

 

" And it worked too. Saunders came up with big hits every game"

Yeah "worked", Pillar was hot, he is 2 for 19 since being moved back in the leadoff

The team can't score crap

Saudners has been hitting no matter where he plays, so it didn't help him

[Rovert]

haven't you all learned from Smoakabello Barney&Goins if you are hitting you get benched or moved and if you are slumping you see more action , basically whatever has has the lowest % of working is the option Gibbons will put forth .

 

Ex. Dickey vs 1-2 Starters when he could only be matched vs 4-5 thus giving the team a better % to win.

 

I mean Dickey vs Kershaw that was just retarded , maybe a 10% chance to win that game.

Managers don't really have that much of an effect , but its like this guy dosen't even watch the games or look at any stats at all.

[Stangstag]

"Because Pillar was hot,"

Then leave Pillar in the same spot. Saunders was not slumping in the leadoff, he was hitting well too, so why change

 

"and also because we were playing NL games"

How does this matter? Saunders plays LF and Pillar is CF.

 

" And it worked too. Saunders came up with big hits every game"

Yeah "worked", Pillar was hot, he is 2 for 19 since being moved back in the leadoff

The team can't score crap

Saudners has been hitting no matter where he plays, so it didn't help him

 

It just had to do with the way the lineup is constructed. Gibbons didn't want Pillar to be the last reliable "RBI guy" in the lineup. If Saunders hits 1st, that means Pillar hits 5th or 6th. He wanted Saunders hitting behind Don/Bau/Ed to drive them in.

 

It would have made more sense to just move everyone up a spot and have Saunders hitting 4th.

 

Whatever, it is what it is. It's understandable

[frizzer1]

It's probably just my pessimistic outlook but I feel that there's a general malaise surrounding this team....they look like they expect to lose...or am I imagining things?

[Stangstag]

It's probably just my pessimistic outlook but I feel that there's a general malaise surrounding this team....they look like they expect to lose...or am I imagining things?

 

Imagining things

[thatoneguy]

It's probably just my pessimistic outlook but I feel that there's a general malaise surrounding this team....they look like they expect to lose...or am I imagining things?

 

If you think Donaldson will accept an attitude like that, you're dreaming.

[baseballsss]

It just had to do with the way the lineup is constructed. Gibbons didn't want Pillar to be the last reliable "RBI guy" in the lineup. If Saunders hits 1st, that means Pillar hits 5th or 6th. He wanted Saunders hitting behind Don/Bau/Ed to drive them in.

 

It would have made more sense to just move everyone up a spot and have Saunders hitting 4th.

 

Whatever, it is what it is. It's understandable

 

lol you went feom Pillar being hot to Gibbons not aanting him to be the last reliable RBI guy. Gibbons wants Pillar to succeed and thats why he keeps putting him up there.

[crazy47larry]

lol you went feom Pillar being hot to Gibbons not aanting him to be the last reliable RBI guy. Gibbons wants Pillar to succeed and thats why he keeps putting him up there.

 

this makes me wonder if gibbons knows what the word 'success' really means then

[Rovert]

It's probably just my pessimistic outlook but I feel that there's a general malaise surrounding this team....they look like they expect to lose...or am I imagining things?

 

There has to be guys holding back , some of the moves that get made have to make some of the guys mad , they know dumb s*** is going on there not being given the best chance to win.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Gibbons just letting off some steam!

Lol whoot whoot

[bones10]

Osuna should have been the first out of the pen after Happ allowed two runners in the bottom of the 8th, that was the game.

 

its not like he has to pitch the 9th as well, anybody can get 3 outs with the bases empty.

 

Happ staying in to start the 8th was definitely justifiable, however.

[Daniel Labude]

It really doesn't matter...even the Twins knew whatever Gibby did it would be in their favor lol. I don't think I have ever seen a manager that couldnt get a bullpen decision correct.