John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Daniel Labude]

As for the "Pompey needs regular at bats argument"..I throw that out the window. You're in a pennant race. Never mind that crap mentality.

 

He should start in LF or CF...I'd say LF to start and CF occasionally to give Pillar a day off

[93 Jays]

However, Girardi needs to watch Betances' innings.. he's only 16 appearances away from a career high in appearances. Ditto for Justin Wilson, and Andrew Miller did get injured earlier this season. Frequently, GIrardi goes to Betances for more than 1 inning.. this cannot be sustained forever. Sooner or later, he will break down.. unfortunately, the Yanks bullpen is a mixed bag after Betances and Miller.

 

Very true, Betances is way overused. But for the above poster to say their numbers are similar? Do I REALLY need to post their numbers? Because as good as they are, they are nowhere even close to Betances and Miller.

[IronLadle]

Very true, Betances is way overused. But for the above poster to say their numbers are similar? Do I REALLY need to post their numbers? Because as good as they are, they are nowhere even close to Betances and Miller.

 

post them

[glory]

The difference between Betances/Miller and the rest of the Yankees pen is far greater than the difference between Osuna/Sanchez and the rest of the Jays pen. Lowe, Cecil, and Hendriks are every bit as good as Sanchez, maybe better.

[mtljaysfan]

Mistake #1 (this one is debatable): Price does not start the 8th. Bring in Sanchez with no runners on, and he shuts the door. But fine, he comes out, at least take him out when the first guy gets on.

 

Mistake #2: Sanchez coming out with runners on second and third is moronic. He's a pitch to contact pitcher, meaning your conceding 1 run AT LEAST. In a 2-run ball game the last thing you want is to concede a run. Mark Lowe is the right call there.

 

Mistake #3 (not game related/somewhat game related): What are they waiting for to go back to a 4 man bench? You don't need an 8 man Pen now that the starting pitching is stabilized and our starters are going deep for the most part. Bring up Pompey and have another right handed hitter on the bench and a 4th outfielder. If this was the case, you're not handcuffed by having to bat Revere in a tough lefty on lefty matchup because you now have a defensive replacement should the game go to extras.

 

Like I said...don't beat yourself. Of course we're not going to win every game from here on out..but don't lose because you're beating yourself.

 

Well said, couldn't agree more

[IronLadle]

The difference between Betances/Miller and the rest of the Yankees pen is far greater than the difference between Osuna/Sanchez and the rest of the Jays pen. Lowe, Cecil, and Hendriks are every bit as good as Sanchez, maybe better.

 

The Jays pen is very comparable to the Yankees, the Jays probably have the deeper pen at this point.

[jaysfan2014]

Before today, Sanchez had a 0.93 ERA/0.31 WHIP, 1BB/9K ratio as a reliever in 10 appearances on the year. Today's blowout was just a blip on the radar.. as long as he doesn't do it frequently, it's not really an issue. But thinking about it.. he should've been in to start the inning. Gibby left Price in too long..

 

Hopefully he doesn't repeat this mistake tomorrow and Sunday. We need to win at least one game or two to keep within a 0.5 game either way.

[mtljaysfan]

Don't mean to beat on a dead horse, I can never understand why AA managed to assemble so much talent on this team but to let that

stupid manager to waste it away.

 

Just like he acquired so much pitching after the marlin and Mets trades, but to let f***ing Arencibia to be the starting catcher.

[jaysfan2014]

The Jays pen is very comparable to the Yankees, the Jays probably have the deeper pen at this point.

 

Agreed. Once you get past Betances, Miller and maybe Wilson, the bullpen has been rotated heavily this season.. right now, Warren (who should be starting instead of Sabathia and is being wasted in the bullpen) is in there, Chasen Shreve, Bryan Mitchell and Crap Cushion(Capuano) are in there.

 

The Yanks have used 29 pitchers this year, partially to cover for Sabathia's problems, Tanaka's injury risk, and the risk Severino struggles in the big leagues.. he is going to get hit around sooner or later. Video's out on him now..

[jaysfan2014]

Don't mean to beat on a dead horse, I can never understand why AA managed to assemble so much talent on this team but to let that

stupid manager to waste it away.

 

Just like he acquired so much pitching after the marlin and Mets trades, but to let f***ing Arencibia to be the starting catcher.

 

Well, Buck and Mathis(who they traded) were worse.. where else were you going to find a starting catcher at the time of the trade? And they didn't know Arencibia would implode at the time.

[glory]

The Jays pen is very comparable to the Yankees, the Jays probably have the deeper pen at this point.

 

The point was, the reason Betances & Miller are the go-to late inning guys is because they are way better than everyone else in the Yankees pen. The Jays have a 6-deep pen (well, 5, since Gibbons thinks Hendriks is dead). Sanchez doesn't have to be thrown out there every 8th inning, and certainly not 3 out of 4 days. He's not Betances.

[jaysfan2014]

The point was, the reason Betances & Miller are the go-to late inning guys is because they are way better than everyone else in the Yankees pen. The Jays have a 6-deep pen (well, 5, since Gibbons thinks Hendriks is dead). Sanchez doesn't have to be thrown out there every 8th inning, and certainly not 3 out of 4 days. He's not Betances.

 

Hendriks is the long-man. And as I mentioned, the Yanks pen is mixed besides Miller and Betances (and Wilson.) Why do you think they've 29 arms (and Garret Jones)?

[Daniel Labude]

Don't mean to beat on a dead horse, I can never understand why AA managed to assemble so much talent on this team but to let that

stupid manager to waste it away.

 

Just like he acquired so much pitching after the marlin and Mets trades, but to let f***ing Arencibia to be the starting catcher.

 

A guy we had already fired once... I mean, who hires someone they fired

[glory]

A guy we had already fired once... I mean, who hires someone they fired

 

It's the reason I want the Jays to win the World Series but clean house on AA and Gibbons. There are clearly smart people in the Jays org, just promote one of them, or go with a smart assistant in another org.

 

Gut the farm system for one season and then be stuck with Hickons for more seasons? f*** no. Just no.

[IronLadle]

The point was, the reason Betances & Miller are the go-to late inning guys is because they are way better than everyone else in the Yankees pen. The Jays have a 6-deep pen (well, 5, since Gibbons thinks Hendriks is dead). Sanchez doesn't have to be thrown out there every 8th inning, and certainly not 3 out of 4 days. He's not Betances.

 

I agree, they could have went with anyone other than Loup (maybe Cecil) and I've have been happy. But this is the team your battling for the division, Gibby needs to stop being a pussy and throw his best guys. Doesn't matter how rested Osuna and Sanchez are if they don'y make the post season.

[IronLadle]

Hendriks is the long-man. And as I mentioned, the Yanks pen is mixed besides Miller and Betances (and Wilson.) Why do you think they've 29 arms (and Garret Jones)?

 

It's a waste if Hendriks is the long man, should have kept Doubront for that and sent down Loup.

[LTR]

This thread is great for laughs #IdiotsCentral

[glory]

Hendriks is the long-man. And as I mentioned, the Yanks pen is mixed besides Miller and Betances (and Wilson.) Why do you think they've 29 arms (and Garret Jones)?

 

Hendriks has a 1.2 WAR, 2nd best in the Jays pen behind Osuna.

 

He's the long man because the manager is a f***ing idiot.

[Followthelight]

Hendriks has a 1.2 WAR, 2nd best in the Jays pen behind Osuna.

 

He's the long man because the manager is a f***ing idiot.

 

Right again...people calling hendriks a long man because gibby uses him that way make me lol. Hendricks has been nails all year.

[RealAccountant]

Can we at least stop carrying an 8 men bullpen then. Could have used Navarro to pinch hit for Revere today had we an extra outfielder

[Stangstag]

Jesus christ this board is a cesspool of idiocy and negativity. The Jays can't win every game people.

[Daniel Labude]

Jesus christ this board is a cesspool of idiocy and negativity. The Jays can't win every game people.

 

No, but we could win more with anyone else as manager. Heck I'd take Buehrle as a player manager

[IronLadle]

Jesus christ this board is a cesspool of idiocy and negativity. The Jays can't win every game people.

 

The only guy I hate on this team hasn't played an inning all year, other than Gibby it's pretty positive

[glory]

Jesus christ this board is a cesspool of idiocy and negativity. The Jays can't win every game people.

 

No one has said they should win every game.

 

The hyperbole and sarcasm only comes from the people defending Gibbons. Always has in this thread.

[Followthelight]

Jesus christ this board is a cesspool of idiocy and negativity. The Jays can't win every game people.

 

Who said they should win every game? Typical strawman nothing arguments. The fact they lost is not even the issue. Up 3 to 0 in the eighth when it was obvious price should have been pulled. Then putting in Sanchez with two on is beer league managing.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Followthelight

[youngtea]

I'm not a fan of a gibby like most of you (check post history), but where were you all yesterday with your posts.

 

Reality is this team is good enough to make it to the playoffs without an amazing manager. After we make it to the playoffs it's uncharted territory for most of us including our core.

[flafson]

It's not like Sanchez was throwing beach balls or anything...

I didn't like that Price came out to pitch the 8th after he struggled the whole game and I didn't like that they let Sanchez pitch in the middle of an inning with runners on, I thought Lowe was the better option but then again, Gibby tries to establish that Sanchez is the 8th inning guy...

[intentional wok]

It's not like Sanchez was throwing beach balls or anything...

I didn't like that Price came out to pitch the 8th after he struggled the whole game and I didn't like that they let Sanchez pitch in the middle of an inning with runners on, I thought Lowe was the better option but then again, Gibby tries to establish that Sanchez is the 8th inning guy...

 

The pisser is that this really wasn't an "8th inning" situation. This was a high leverage situation, which (should be) thought of as a lot different (not that I'm saying you don't see that).

 

Though I'm not 100% sold on either Sanchez or Osuna, I'm okay with giving them clean innings with a lead. Those innings obviously have to go somewhere, and a clean inning is as low leverage a situation as possible. Super context-heavy situations like last night require lot more matchup-playing and skill-set usage. Lowe is a good swing-miss option. Should have been used (which, of course, doesn't guarantee he'd have succeeded, but just that you need to use all your tools as best as possible, else why have them?).

[Followthelight]

The pisser is that this really wasn't an "8th inning" situation. This was a high leverage situation, which (should be) thought of as a lot different (not that I'm saying you don't see that).

 

Though I'm not 100% sold on either Sanchez or Osuna, I'm okay with giving them clean innings with a lead. Those innings obviously have to go somewhere, and a clean inning is as low leverage a situation as possible. Super context-heavy situations like last night require lot more matchup-playing and skill-set usage. Lowe is a good swing-miss option. Should have been used (which, of course, doesn't guarantee he'd have succeeded, but just that you need to use all your tools as best as possible, else why have them?).

 

Exactly, and why did we trade for Lowe? Gibby never use him.

[flafson]

Exactly, and why did we trade for Lowe? Gibby never use him.

 

When your starters give you 7 innings most of the time and Sanchez and Osuna are your 8th and 9th inning guys, there needs to be a special situation for others to be brought in.

Clearly this was one of those situations but i guess Gibby didn't feel that way.