Davidi: Doubront to 5th starter, Sanchez to closer?

[jaysfan2014]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/saunders-injured-knee-definitely-getting-better/

 

Doubront being considered for callup, and if he does well as the 5th starter, Sanchez could be moved to the pen. Still need to acquire an arm, though..

[baubau]

#GongShow

[G-Snarls]

The Doubront we always killed in Boston??

[G-Snarls]

That sack of s***

[LTR]

f***ing dumb. Yeah there's a remote chance he could be decent... but you don't take gambles like when you're trying to compete.

[Laika]

I don't see this info anywhere. It wouldn't be a dumb move though. Doubront was a league average SP as recently as 2013 and 2012, and Sanchez' best role is a relief pitcher anyway.

[nonamejays]

I'm not worried about this if it's temporary because the Jays are going to get a starter in the next 2 weeks.

 

If that doesn't happened, AA needs to go.

[Daniel Labude]

So what's wrong with Norris....still suckling in the minors?

[LTR]

So what's wrong with Norris....still suckling in the minors?

 

He's actually had 5 pretty good starts in a row. Still some problems with control but he'd be better than any other option we have in the minors.

[Daniel Labude]

Also, sounds like just speculation, with this team speculation is never close to reality

[Daniel Labude]

He's actually had 5 good starts in a row.

 

Don't know why he wouldn't be the one up then

[RealAccountant]

I'm not worried about this if it's temporary because the Jays are going to get a starter in the next 2 weeks.

 

If that doesn't happened, AA needs to go.

 

Then he will go.

[GD]

Lol convenient excuse to get Sanchez to the pen.

 

Any update on his injury situation?

[Terminator]

I don't see this info anywhere. It wouldn't be a dumb move though. Doubront was a league average SP as recently as 2013 and 2012, and Sanchez' best role is a relief pitcher anyway.

 

Yeah I agree with you. Doubront was worth 2.3 WAR in 2013 and is only 27 so he should have something left in the tank. He's pitching well in AAA and his projections aren't that bad (they are better than Sanchez' for the ROS).

 

Sanchez wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, even over those recent starts people seem to be gushing over, and with the injury it might make sense to back off on his innings anyway.

[KingKat]

Yeah I agree with you. Doubront was worth 2.3 WAR in 2013 and is only 27 so he should have something left in the tank. He's pitching well in AAA and his projections aren't that bad (they are better than Sanchez' for the ROS).

 

Sanchez wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, even over those recent starts people seem to be gushing over, and with the injury it might make sense to back off on his innings anyway.

 

Not to mention it's only an audition for Doubront. He'll steal the job IF he's good and if that's the case no one should complain. If it doesn't work out, no big loss. He's still the logical call-up at this time.

[LTR]

Lol convenient excuse to get Sanchez to the pen.

 

Any update on his injury situation?

 

Seems decidedly inconvenient if you ask me.

[RealAccountant]

I wonder how will people feel if the Jays are in the playoff race trade deadline comes and goes and there are no moves.

 

I mean the team right now is at least .500 that's enough for the current regime to hold their place for another year

[o2cui2i]

Yeah I agree with you. Doubront was worth 2.3 WAR in 2013 and is only 27 so he should have something left in the tank. He's pitching well in AAA and his projections aren't that bad (they are better than Sanchez' for the ROS).

 

Sanchez wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, even over those recent starts people seem to be gushing over, and with the injury it might make sense to back off on his innings anyway.

 

Sanchez in the pen would really help sort out the pen. Osuna and Hendriks are great late innings guys. They need a guy who can be good for 2 innings now and then. Sanchez is a good candidate when/if he gets healthy.

 

hutch really needs to sort his s*** out if we are going to compete into Sept. AA can maybe make a move for 1 good starter but I doubt they have money for two.

[o2cui2i]

I wonder how will people feel if the Jays are in the playoff race trade deadline comes and goes and there are no moves.

 

I mean the team right now is at least .500 that's enough for the current regime to hold their place for another year

 

Beeston is done this year and a new CEO wont keep a guy who gets almost 140M to barely be a .500 team. AA's job is on the line.

[Jimcanuck]

Beeston is done this year and a new CEO wont keep a guy who gets almost 140M to barely be a .500 team. AA's job is on the line.

 

to be fair, based on RD the Jays should be leading the AL

[Smokey]

to be fair, based on RD the Jays should be leading the AL

 

Maybe we should petition to have a second championship handed out for the best run differential in the league. That way all the delusional fans who think we should be leading the league with this garbage pitching can blame luck for our failures and still have a parade and celebrate all them runs they've scored... What do you think Jimmy boy?

[KingKat]

Maybe we should petition to have a second championship handed out for the best run differential in the league. That way all the delusional fans who think we should be leading the league with this garbage pitching can blame luck for our failures and still have a parade and celebrate all them runs they've scored... What do you think Jimmy boy?

 

Whether the Jays have been lucky is kind of besides the point. They are where they are and they have to deal with that. They can't just sit on their hands waiting for the W-L record to catch up to the run differential. They need to improve the likeliness of that happening by making the team even better lest an opportunity get wasted. Like you said, having a playoff team "in theory" means nothing.

[GD]

Maybe we should petition to have a second championship handed out for the best run differential in the league. That way all the delusional fans who think we should be leading the league with this garbage pitching can blame luck for our failures and still have a parade and celebrate all them runs they've scored... What do you think Jimmy boy?

 

So what, run differential doesn't matter?

[KingKat]

So what, run differential doesn't matter?

 

I don't think that's the point. You can't rewrite the W-L record to this point and make it reflect the run differential. It's too late for that. So yeah run differential doesn't matter in the sense that it's a hollow victory. It might tell you that you have something to work with going forward but you shouldn't refuse to address your holes because of a hollow victory. Plug the holes, improve your chances to win.

[Smokey]

So what, run differential doesn't matter?

 

That's not what I'm saying. There's obviously a general correlation between RD and success but at th end of the day the results are all that matters. This team is very one dimensional and they tend to run up the score against weaker pitching and don't have nearly as much success when going up against elite pitchers. They might be slightly better than a .500 team but they shouldn't be "leading the AL" just because of their RD. It just sounds like another excuse we hear too often from the apologists like "we'd be in the playoffs if we didn't have so many injuries"....

 

Alex is on his 6th year on the job and it's time to put up some results or GTFO.

[CHRIS]

So what, run differential doesn't matter?

 

Of course it matters, it's just that the end goal of this team isn't to have the best run differential in the league, it's to have the best W/L record. The key is to identify the reason why the two aren't lining up, and take the necessary steps to try and address the areas that need addressing.

 

If nothing else, the run differential helps us to identify what needs to be addressed.

[Nafro]

to be fair, based on RD the Jays should be leading the AL

 

Except they are not.

[DuckDuckGose]

He's actually had 5 pretty good starts in a row. Still some problems with control but he'd be better than any other option we have in the minors.

 

1.63 WHIP, 4.23 BB/9 in those 5 starts. The results have been good in AAA but you need to throw strikes at the MLB level and Norris hasn't shown he can do that consistently.

[GD]

If you have a good run differential, it's likely that you will be a good team. That doesn't mean you don't attempt to improve. You ALWAYS attempt to improve. But that doesn't mean that you resign yourself to saying "our W/L doesn't match our RD right now so we aren't a good team."

 

If a pitcher's ERA is 60 points higher than his FIP, we say that his ERA is likely to get better. What's different about RD?

[KingKat]

1.63 WHIP, 4.23 BB/9 in those 5 starts. The results have been good in AAA but you need to throw strikes at the MLB level and Norris hasn't shown he can do that consistently.

 

You don't want to keep yo-yoing him between AAA and the MLB. You want him to really show he's ready. His K/BB for the season in AAA is still under 2. You'd like to see him bring that up closer to what it was in 2014 (3.79). I'm fine with Doubront for now though he's not necessarily the answer either and neither is Randy Wolf.