General Jays Discussion 2015

[LTR]

This is fundamentally wrong.

 

You are fundamentally wrong.

 

Even with Price our pitching projects as 12th in the majors. Not a great team.

 

Maybe a very good team. Not a great team.

 

A fun team. Not a great team.

[LTR]

Top-notch bullpen, above-average rotation, and plus defense everywhere. The team is very, very good.

 

Very good, maybe. Not great.

[CHRIS]

Does Gibbons have his eyes closed? Not complaining != not hurting.

 

MB's recent performance with Navarro, plus Martin's discomfort should have led to Navarro starting last night, IMO.

[LTR]

Top-notch bullpen, above-average rotation, and plus defense everywhere. The team is very, very good.

 

Also BP projects as 19th in WAR. You can buy into current season stats (i.e. Lowe) or you buy into projections. The choice is yours.

[Brownie19]

Great offense, not great team.

 

Great defense too...

[Candy Maldonado]

Gibbons wants everyone limping around like him.

[LTR]

Lowest SwStr% 2015

 

#1 Michael Brantley 2.7 %

#2 Ben Revere 3.8 %

[Brownie19]

Lowest SwStr% 2015

 

#1 Michael Brantley 2.7 %

#2 Ben Revere 3.8 %

 

Brantley is awesome - although I'm surprised to see his defense is below average.

[Brownie19]

I also find it ironic that Cervelli is better than Russell Martin now....Pittsburgh has really become the place where you go to revive your career (or breakout).

[LTR]

BP says the Blue Jays are a .561 winning percentage team, tops in the AL. What on Earth are you talking about?

 

Stating facts. Do you consider a .561 winning percentage a great team?

[RealAccountant]

I just don't understand why they wouldn't just let Martin sit for a few games and heal

[Stangstag]

It's not that difficult at all... they only have to lose 3 or so more games than the O's and they're out.

 

Lol

[Governator]

Stating facts. Do you consider a .561 winning percentage a great team?

 

Considering that is tops compared to all teams in the league how is that not great...

[LTR]

Teams with a higher winning % (than .561) in the last 5 years.

 

2014 - 4

2013 - 8

2012 - 8

2011 - 7

2010 - 7

 

It's nice that we finally have a "good" team, but if you want to keep looking at it through rose-colored glasses you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[LTR]

Many (or most) of those teams didn't have .550+ true talent levels. You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

And many more of them had more 'true talent'. What you're saying is irrevelant because the point I'm making is there are and were significantly better teams.

[reedjohnsonfan]

And many more of them had more 'true talent'. What you're saying is irrevelant because the point I'm making is there are and were significantly better teams.

 

How many teams get projected for better than 91 wins before the season starts? It's usually 1-2 I believe.

[BTS]

And many more of them had more 'true talent'. What you're saying is irrevelant because the point I'm making is there are and were significantly better teams.

 

Nope, lol.

[pickoff22]

And many more of them had more 'true talent'. What you're saying is irrevelant because the point I'm making is there are and were significantly better teams.

 

The point you've been trying to make is that the Jays aren't a great team. What other teams have done in the past is irrelevant. Not sure how you could look at the team in it's current state and say it's not great. Projections point to them as being great, just as going off gut instinct from watching them play would do the same.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Talent and wins do not equals results. s***** teams win sometimes too. It's true!

[L54]

The rest of this road trip has me worried. Team looks tired and I can't remember the last time we played well in Anaheim. Could be out of the playoffs by the end of the trip if we falter. Hope I'm wrong.

 

You worry too much.

[LTR]

No, they didn't. There are usually many teams in the .500-.530 range and some of them randomly pop up into the 90+ win range. They aren't actually 90+ win talent teams.

 

Go back and look at the expected winning percentages for teams entering 2015 (and past years) according to BP. That's what you should be comparing the current Blue Jays to.

 

Link pls.

[DuckDuckGose]

Teams with a higher winning % (than .561) in the last 5 years.

 

2014 - 4

2013 - 8

2012 - 8

2011 - 7

2010 - 7

 

It's nice that we finally have a "good" team, but if you want to keep looking at it through rose-colored glasses you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

Players on the current roster on the team in;

 

2014 - 18

2013 - 11

2012 - 7

2011 - 3

2010 - 3

 

Kind of silly to compare past seasons when the roster has seen such extreme turn over. 65% turnover from 2014 and 93% turnover from 2011.

[BTS]

Players on the current roster on the team in;

 

2014 - 18

2013 - 11

2012 - 7

2011 - 3

2010 - 3

 

Kind of silly to compare past seasons when the roster has seen such extreme turn over. 65% turnover from 2014 and 93% turnover from 2011.

 

You missed his point.

[LTR]

You missed his point.

 

I have points? I think everyone would disagree.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

You missed his point.

 

He did, but what is the normal turn over rate of a Mlb team in a five year window? High Average low ! Does this not also have some bearing as success or stability of a team? Like do successful teams turn over less players per year as a team, then normal or crappy teams? I would think yes, correct!

[BTS]

I have points? I think everyone would disagree.

 

Not good ones, but points nonetheless.

[DuckDuckGose]

You missed his point.

 

I guess so? I don't think it's rose coloured glasses to get excited about this team. It's completely different than past rosters and very very good.

[Brownie19]

More importantly, castoff Cervelli is better than Martin.

[LTR]

Not good ones, but points nonetheless.

 

Oh they're good. The problem is I have to cut through a field of homers and gangbangers.

[LTR]

I guess so? I don't think it's rose coloured glasses to get excited about this team. It's completely different than past rosters and very very good.

 

It's not rose coloured glasses to get excited. It's rose coloured glasses to say this is a great team. But the word great is arbitrary and relative; so maybe the entire debate is nonsensical anyway.