General Jays Discussion 2015

[LTR]

Umm...did you just respond to your own post?

 

Respond, no. Reference, yes.

[LTR]

Because those are the numbers that Gibby is probably using. I'm trying to figure out what his reasoning is for his decisions. Do you honestly think Gibby is looking at projections when he sets his lineup?

 

I have no idea, it seems like a crap shoot.

[TwistedLogic]

I have no idea, it seems like a crap shoot.

 

It doesn't matter what the hell he's looking at. If we ourselves wanted to have a debate about who is the better player between Smoak and Navarro (spoiler alert: it's Smoak), we could use advanced stats and projections. Using those numbers to question the lineup is useless though, because Gibbons is not looking at wOBA or WAR or any form of projections.

 

Even if you take their career numbers and you want to tunnel in on some ******** like clutch hitting, Smoak has far better career numbers across the board.

 

Navarro Men in Scoring: 78 wRC+, 661 OPS (887 PA)

Smoak Men in Scoring: 104 wRC+, 716 OPS (601 PA)

 

Navarro High Leverage: 66 wRC+, 636 OPS (351 PA)

Smoak High Leverage: 89 wRC+, 678 OPS (245 PA)

 

Navarro vs RHP: 78 wRC+, 677 OPS (2296 PA)

Smoak vs RHP: 101 wRC+, 740 OPS (1592 PA)

 

Literally the only way you can select Navarro over Smoak is if the only number you're looking at is career batting average against righties, and career batting average with RiSP. And if that's the one and only single criteria that Gibbons is using to determine which of the two batters deserves priority, then f*** John Gibbons.

[Boxcar]

I used to believe that John Gibbons was a good thing.

 

I now believe that John Gibbons is a bad thing.

 

It's more likely he's just a neutral thing.

 

Sometimes managers just have these weird obsessions. Walt Weiss rests Tulowitzki more often than Hundley. Don Mattingly gives too much of Turner's PT to Alberto Callaspo.

 

Not to come across as defending Gibbons because I don't think playing Navarro this much is defensible at all, just that hoping a manager change will alleviate all the PT concerns it is probably not realistic.

[LTR]

Literally the only way you can select Navarro over Smoak is if the only number you're looking at is career batting average against righties, and career batting average with RiSP. And if that's the one and only single criteria that Gibbons is using to determine which of the two batters deserves priority, then f*** John Gibbons.

 

Actually what Gibby is looking at is Navarro's clutch ability and RBI's from last season, I'm sure of it.

[guylaroche5]

can I make the 'Navarro is finally f***ing gone' celebration thread if he ever gets traded? I can only imagine how happy everyone is gonna be

[RealAccountant]

Navarro should have been moved for his salary

[Daniel Labude]

can I make the 'Navarro is finally f***ing gone' celebration thread if he ever gets traded? I can only imagine how happy everyone is gonna be

 

Just start it now.....might get him traded sooner

[jaysfan2014]

Because John Gibbons personally likes Navarro's bat more. That's literally the reason.

 

No, it's because it's a day game and Dickey start tomorrow.

[John_Havok]

No excuse for batting Navarro 5th...

[HERPDERP]

Is it possible to send Hutchison down?

[DaKiNdLa]

Mark Buerhle says, "Hi!"

*sarcasm detected*

[DaKiNdLa]

Drew Hutchison says "Howdy?"

 

Towlie says, "You wan get high?"

[GD]

Drew Hutchison says "Howdy?"

 

They're pretty equal

[ElNik2013]

Jose Reyes's BB% is below 5% now and his OBP is now lower than Kevin Pillar's. Move him out of the leadoff spot?

[nextyear]

This isn't directed at anyone in particular: Why wouldn't a manager use this year's stats over career stats? This year's stats show what a player is doing now, which is more important than what he did 2 years ago. Are stats even necessary for a manager to know how well a player is doing? (rhetorical question)

[fireballW]

Jose Reyes's BB% is below 5% now and his OBP is now lower than Kevin Pillar's. Move him out of the leadoff spot?

 

Was at the game last night. Has Reyes always had such a ridiculously wide batting stance? He looks moronic watching him from a side view and everything is just a hack with no power. Was he really standing that way when he was with the Mets?

[Atothe]

Carrera is still with the team, interesting.

They must really like him

[nextyear]

Was at the game last night. Has Reyes always had such a ridiculously wide batting stance? He looks moronic watching him from a side view and everything is just a hack with no power. Was he really standing that way when he was with the Mets?

 

In Jose Reyes's defence, he does seem to make solid contact on a regular basis (prior to the past few games). When Jose Reyes first came back from injury a couple of weeks ago his play gave a boost to the Blue Jays. In my opinion, he just looks tired from playing everyday and his play has become nonchalant.

[ElNik2013]

In Jose Reyes's defence, he does seem to make solid contact on a regular basis (prior to the past few games). When Jose Reyes first came back from injury a couple of weeks ago his play gave a boost to the Blue Jays. In my opinion, he just looks tired from playing everyday and his play has become nonchalant.

 

Big concern is his BB%, it's gone from 9% in 2012, 8% in 2013, 6% in 2014 and 5% so far this season.

[ElNik2013]

Team is now 8-12 since The Streak, sort of what they were before it.

 

They'll need to get to 10-12 games over .500 for me to even consider emptying the farm system to go for it.

[nextyear]

Team is now 8-12 since The Streak, sort of what they were before it.

 

They'll need to get to 10-12 games over .500 for me to even consider emptying the farm system to go for it.

 

 

I agree. I would rather see them develop their own talent. Pillar has been a pleasant surprise this year. I also like Sanchez, in my opinion he has great stuff. Stroman is another great player from the farm system (too bad he is injured).

 

In my opinion, one of the great things about following a team is watching young players come up and develop into great players.

[ElNik2013]

How about trading Pillar as part of a package to get a good pitcher? Rather trade him than Pompey.

 

Pillar has put up 2 fWAR this season and is controllable for years, should have some value.

[BTS]

Wow, Colabello is almost back down to replacement-level.

[ElNik2013]

I agree. I would rather see them develop their own talent. Pillar has been a pleasant surprise this year. I also like Sanchez, in my opinion he has great stuff. Stroman is another great player from the farm system (too bad he is injured).

 

In my opinion, one of the great things about following a team is watching young players come up and develop into great players.

 

 

 

Yeah. Looking forward to Pompey as well, I think he'll establish himself as a really good player.

[nextyear]

How about trading Pillar as part of a package to get a good pitcher? Rather trade him than Pompey.

 

Pillar has put up 2 fWAR this season and is controllable for years, should have some value.

 

 

The Blue Jays need better defense more than better pitching, in my opinion. Trading an excellent defensive player like Pillar will diminish the effectiveness of the entire pitching staff.

[ElNik2013]

The Blue Jays need better defense more than better pitching, in my opinion. Trading an excellent defensive player like Pillar will diminish the effectiveness of the entire pitching staff.

 

 

They do have Pompey. I do want to keep the young guys, don't get me wrong, and love what Pillar has done, I just wonder if this is his peak value.

[RealAccountant]

Hutch has taken a major step backwards. Then again the pitching coach is still.employed so what's there to say

[oakville69]

The Blue Jays need better defense more than better pitching, in my opinion. Trading an excellent defensive player like Pillar will diminish the effectiveness of the entire pitching staff.

 

 

Agreed. They should keep Pillar.

[ElNik2013]

Agreed. They should keep Pillar.

 

 

 

They should...unless another team really wants him and makes a nice offer.