2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[reedjohnsonfan]

They said they would be willing to throw some money in if it meant a top package. Before they wanted the team to take 100% of it plus a top package. I don't think the contract is that bad though.

 

Ya I agree. 3 years + vesting option left, not too bad for an ace starter. Might have to throw Norris their way to get him though.

[AdamGreenwood]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/hamels-open-minded-on-potential-trade-to-jays/

 

1) No thank you. We don't need to give up most of our young talent for a massive contract, that we could just pluck out of free agency for nothing.

This team would be so much better off, if we never traded for Buehrle, Reyes and Johnson. We have young talent coming through the pipeline. Let's just stay the course.

2) Why is he using terms like 'open-minded'. We're asking him to join the Blue Jays, not perform some sexually deviant acts here.

[jays_fever]

Sanchez, Pompey and some other guy not Norris/Hoffman is probably fair. Maybe Pentacost, Urena or Castro

[reedjohnsonfan]

What would be the 2015 equivalent of 2010 Kyle Drabek, Travis d'Arnaud, and Michael Taylor? That's all I'd give Amaro.

 

Well, Michael Taylor was a top 30 or so prospect at the time, so you'd think Norris would be on the table.

[glory]

My guess, all kidding aside, is Norris/Pentecost/Pompey. I think Amaro would probably bite on that, and is on par with what AA did 3 years ago. Not saying I would do it, just what I think it would take realistically (obv Amaro would ask for more and AA would try to give up less).

[ElNik2013]

New prez to be hired in Philly could mean Amaro Jr. is not allowed to make major decisions till new guy is in place.

 

Regardless, I say target under the radar guys and stay the course. Most of the offense will be intact for next year as well and team should have some $ to spend.

 

Keep the young guys as complementary and depth pieces. How does this look:

 

 

1. Stroman/FA SP.

2. F/A SP/Stroman.

3. Hutchison/FA SP.

4. Norris.

5. Sanchez/Boyd/Estrada/Osuna.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Hamels would be our best starter, and his salary is essentially the same as MB's. I would trade anyone in the minors BUT Hoffman for him.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

My guess, all kidding aside, is Norris/Pentecost/Pompey. I think Amaro would probably bite on that, and is on par with what AA did 3 years ago. Not saying I would do it, just what I think it would take realistically (obv Amaro would ask for more and AA would try to give up less).

 

I think this is realistic. Maybe through in a Rasmussen or something, too. I

[glory]

I agree stay the course. Unless you're getting a pitching equivalent of Donaldson, it doesn't make sense to make such a short-term move with long-term implications. One Dickey/Marlins off-season was enough for me. No more. Unless it takes a lot less to get Hamels than reported.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Hamels is the pitching equivalent of Donaldson. And we'd have him through 2019. AND the Orioles, Yanks and BoSox wouldn't get him.

[Daniel Labude]

Still prefer Cueto/Chapman but if the package is reasonable Hamels would work

[BigCecil]

You youngin's would've loved the early 90's. Confidence...swagg...and results...and you never heard anyone, EVER say anything about not wanting to come to Toronto.

 

Im 50 and I remember those days allll too well. We were in many ways the place to be. Winning can put a new old twist back on things.

 

I would move Norris if the $ is there. It would sting hard (not as bad as Thor) but Hamels is here and now. Norris is promising if, come, maybe.

[BigCecil]

Still prefer Cueto/Chapman but if the package is reasonable Hamels would work

 

I think I fall over dead if we landed those two (joy)...and then fall over dead again at what we had to give up (sorrow).

[o2cui2i]

I think I fall over dead if we landed those two (joy)...and then fall over dead again at what we had to give up (sorrow).

 

I think most of the board are in this boat. We all want to see the jays get some more pitching, but are all terrified at what it will cost.

[L54]

1) No thank you. We don't need to give up most of our young talent for a massive contract, that we could just pluck out of free agency for nothing.

This team would be so much better off, if we never traded for Buehrle, Reyes and Johnson. We have young talent coming through the pipeline. Let's just stay the course.

2) Why is he using terms like 'open-minded'. We're asking him to join the Blue Jays, not perform some sexually deviant acts here.

 

Cole Hamels is like a sexier MB. Since 2008 the guy has made at least 30 starts every year, only missing the 200 IP plateau in 2009 by 6.1 innings. He's never posted an xFIP above 3.73 in his career, and gets ground balls at a nice clip. Fastball velocity on par with his career.

 

His contract will look a lot more reasonable once guys like Cueto, Grienke, Price and Zimmerman are signed in the offseason.

 

I think if anyone makes sense for the Blue Jays, it's Cole Hamels.

[L54]

I think this is realistic. Maybe through in a Rasmussen or something, too. I

 

Rasmussen does absolutely nothing to alter the deal.

[Mikeleelop]

I don't think that gets it done

 

It may if you take all of paps contract

[ElNik2013]

Cole Hamels is like a sexier MB. Since 2008 the guy has made at least 30 starts every year, only missing the 200 IP plateau in 2009 by 6.1 innings. He's never posted an xFIP above 3.73 in his career, and gets ground balls at a nice clip. Fastball velocity on par with his career.

 

His contract will look a lot more reasonable once guys like Cueto, Grienke, Price and Zimmerman are signed in the offseason.

 

I think if anyone makes sense for the Blue Jays, it's Cole Hamels.

 

 

 

 

I see what you are saying and when you add AA's inability to play the FA SP market, it points to this being a prime target. On the other hand, we have to consider what the cost will be in terms of prospects, especially upper minors ones and given what AA gave up in the Marlins and Dickey trades, it seems like he'll gave up a ton.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Rasmussen does absolutely nothing to alter the deal.

 

That's not true. There will be blue chip principal players in any trade and a few B prospects. You will hardly ever see ONLY blue chip prospects traded for a top tier player. Feel free to prove me wrong.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Cole Hamels is like a sexier MB. Since 2008 the guy has made at least 30 starts every year, only missing the 200 IP plateau in 2009 by 6.1 innings. He's never posted an xFIP above 3.73 in his career, and gets ground balls at a nice clip. Fastball velocity on par with his career.

 

His contract will look a lot more reasonable once guys like Cueto, Grienke, Price and Zimmerman are signed in the offseason.

 

I think if anyone makes sense for the Blue Jays, it's Cole Hamels.

 

You know, honestly, the way MB is pitching yet again, I am almost thinking we try to sign him after this season for another 2 years.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Does anyone know the financial situation in Philly right now? Are they going to try and shed payroll for the rebuild? Or would they be trying to eat some of Hamels contract? It's doubtful that the Jays would take on the whole contract.

 

I think you will see an attempt and an utter cleanse of their MLB roster, and they will want to restock a dry farm system.

[L54]

I see what you are saying and when you add AA's inability to play the FA SP market, it points to this being a prime target. On the other hand, we have to consider what the cost will be in terms of prospects, especially upper minors ones and given what AA gave up in the Marlins and Dickey trades, it seems like he'll gave up a ton.

 

We don't have to consider anything though. It is all entirely out of our control. Obviously my opinions are contingent on AA being somewhat competent in negotiations with PHI.

 

The opportunity for AA and the Jays to acquire a top tier starter with at least three years of control at below market value should be taken seriously.

[Smokey]

What's all this nonsense with staying the course?? Did you guys forget that the 2013 offseason changed all that??

 

I generally would be against making this type of a move but I think the situation clearly calls for it. AA is on the last year of his contract and has finally managed to assemble a pretty decent roster after declaring the team all-in almost 3 years ago. Personally I would have fired him right after the Dickey deal but he has somehow managed to have a great offseason and finally gotten the team close. Would you prefer him to sit on his hands at a time like this and ignore such an obvious need?

[Jayday]

" We have young talent coming through the pipeline. Let's just stay the course."

 

Like snider, JPA,mcguire,drabeck,Wojo,romero,morrow etc etc . Who would have traded all 7 of these for hamels 3 years ago ?

Managers make trades, sometimes they work out, and sometimes they don't, but fact is ..prospects are more apt to fail than pan out. I think anticipating a trade to work out and then does, is mostly luck, excluding deadline trades to help a team short term. If AA made a trade and Jays go deep into the playoffs ..i'll be ok with this.

[L54]

That's not true. There will be blue chip principal players in any trade and a few B prospects. You will hardly ever see ONLY blue chip prospects traded for a top tier player. Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

Yes it is. 26 year old Rob Rasmussen, a generic, run of the mill BP arm adds exactly nothing of value to this hypothetical trade.

 

A B prospect in this situation is a player similar to Castro, not Rasmussen.

[IronLadle]

What's all this nonsense with staying the course?? Did you guys forget that the 2013 offseason changed all that??

 

I generally would be against making this type of a move but I think the situation clearly calls for it. AA is on the last year of his contract and has finally managed to assemble a pretty decent roster after declaring the team all-in almost 3 years ago. Personally I would have fired him right after the Dickey deal but he has somehow managed to have a great offseason and finally gotten the team close. Would you prefer him to sit on his hands at a time like this and ignore such an obvious need?

 

If he sits on his hands we start 2016 with a rotation of Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Boyd, Norris with tons of money saved from Buehrle and Dickey. If we make a trade we likely lose 2 of the last 3 and again have very little SP depth

[ElNik2013]

" We have young talent coming through the pipeline. Let's just stay the course."

 

Like snider, JPA,mcguire,drabeck,Wojo,romero,morrow etc etc . Who would have traded all 7 of these for hamels 3 years ago ?

Managers make trades, sometimes they work out, and sometimes they don't, but fact is ..prospects are more apt to fail than pan out. I think anticipating a trade to work out and then does, is mostly luck, excluding deadline trades to help a team short term. If AA made a trade and Jays go deep into the playoffs ..i'll be ok with this.

 

 

Or like d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, Alvarez, Descaflani, Marisnick etc etc.

[ElNik2013]

If he sits on his hands we start 2016 with a rotation of Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Boyd, Norris with tons of money saved from Buehrle and Dickey. If we make a trade we likely lose 2 of the last 3 and again have very little SP depth

 

 

 

Also money saved from Izturis, Romero and Navarro which would be around 15M.

 

 

Also, by going after FA SP, you'd rely much less on the young guys and have more depth.

 

 

However, it's not a guarantee that A. SP would even consider signing with Jays or B. the Jays would offer the terms and dollars required to make FA SP take them seriously.

 

 

It's not an easy situation, but that's where the team is at.

[Smokey]

Haven't made the playoffs in over 2 decades and have one of your best teams in years.... Time to plan for next year!

[IronLadle]

Haven't made the playoffs in over 2 decades and have one of your best teams in years.... Time to plan for next year!

 

Were fourth in the division mate