Phillies Have Had Recent Papelbon Talks With Blue Jays, Cubs

[nutz003]

I couldn't have imagined a worse rebuttal; it reads like an insult from a piqued Grandmother whose intractable Grandchild didn't fancy another piece of pie. I mean really, egg? The trite metonymic for embarrassment that is high in nutritional value and should be consumed with regularity? I want egg all over my face, thank-you!

 

You may want to refrain from using a deriding line such as "Ima gonna try and cover up my idiocy" in conjunction with "But maybe the egg is hiding the shiner you got from the last American you met". I don't believe it has the lasting, subconscious effect you are hoping for. I'd venture to say that the ultimate result of such onerous, ambiguous banter is aleatory, and as such, may be interpreted as an indirect elucidation of your infirmity. But hey, I'm still trying to clear the egg out of my eyes; perhaps I didn't just read "calcaneus-protectors" and "I didn't get it" in the same gauche, nonsensical response.

 

Are you that guy from Good Will Hunting who quotes Vickers by any chance? You know the arrogant one who thinks he's smarter than everyone else, wears a sweater vest, probably named Lance, and repulses every woman he sees by his: arrogance, social ineptitude, and uncanny ability to irritate everyone in a room.

[Dick_Pole]

Moogy trolling Moogy using his emergency backup sleeper account....cuz let's face it, no one would try so hard to engage Moogy in a pointless go-nowhere debate with so many big words other than Moogy. Well...maybe TwistedLogic but he isn't in this thread.

[nutz003]

Emergency backup sleeper account? Lol. What is that anyway? And if you have one you have way too much time on your hands and need to leave the Internet once in a while. Lol. Your post is almost as hilarious as the Good Will Hunting guy's.

[Dick_Pole]

That was in reference to the person who pointed out the account which had three posts in two years.

[ScientificReason]

Just to get back to the subject at hand, a Philly fan is saying, that the sports radio show there is reporting a Hamel trade is in the works.

 

A Philly fan. not a great source there man. Hamels and PAP would make me whack off though if it happens.

[Effit]

Somebody sure needs their diaper changed.. or some Pamprin.

[Orgfiller]

That would be preferable but much more unrealistic. Norris could at least get the ball moving.

 

Who knows, Sanchez has wins and a shiny ERA while Norris was demoted. Never underestimate Ruben Amaro Jr.

[flafson]

Maybe someone will take care of Hamels moving expenses and then he will be happy to move.

[RealAccountant]

I would like to see a Sanchez for Hamels swap lmao or Sanchez as the center piece of that deal

[glory]

 

[Boxcar]

Who knows, Sanchez has wins and a shiny ERA while Norris was demoted. Never underestimate Ruben Amaro Jr.

 

I'm thinking the problem in that trade scenario might be on the other side of the coin. I can see Amaro desiring Sanchez, but can also see AA refusing to include him.

 

All speculation of course but they have had an unreasonable stance on Sanchez for years, can't imagine much has changed.

[BigCecil]

Jays have among the best offense in MLB. The pen even moreso that the rotation is their weakness. Pap moves everyone else down as options to bring in when SP struggles.

 

We have Jose and Edwin signed for one more year. Reyes is aging. AL East is open for taking. Got to make a move.

 

Pap is a no brainer even if it costs us a mid rotation ceiling prospect and some $. Like everyone I hate given up controllable cheap young talent but prospects are just that.

 

I don't see an abundance of SP options we can acquire and bump Sanchez to pen. f*** I wish Stro never got hurt.

[ScientificReason]

Jays have among the best offense in MLB. The pen even moreso that the rotation is their weakness. Pap moves everyone else down as options to bring in when SP struggles.

 

We have Jose and Edwin signed for one more year. Reyes is aging. AL East is open for taking. Got to make a move.

 

Pap is a no brainer even if it costs us a mid rotation ceiling prospect and some $. Like everyone I hate given up controllable cheap young talent but prospects are just that.

 

I don't see an abundance of SP options we can acquire and bump Sanchez to pen. f*** I wish Stro never got hurt.

 

Agree man the stro injury really hurts, imagine where this team would be had be been healthy....it would make a big difference.

[RealAccountant]

Aaron Harang is also pitching well. Id take him.starting over Dickey

[BlueJaysGirl]

A Philly fan. not a great source there man. Hamels and PAP would make me whack off though if it happens.

 

Post that Gif, otherwise it never happened.

[HERPDERP]

Aaron Harang is also pitching well. Id take him.starting over Dickey

 

I'd think Dickey would do better than Harang in the NL.

[ScientificReason]

Post that Gif, otherwise it never happened.

 

Hmm not sure how to respond lol.

[Sammy225]

Jays have among the best offense in MLB. The pen even moreso that the rotation is their weakness. Pap moves everyone else down as options to bring in when SP struggles.

 

We have Jose and Edwin signed for one more year. Reyes is aging. AL East is open for taking. Got to make a move.

 

Pap is a no brainer even if it costs us a mid rotation ceiling prospect and some $. Like everyone I hate given up controllable cheap young talent but prospects are just that.

 

I don't see an abundance of SP options we can acquire and bump Sanchez to pen. f*** I wish Stro never got hurt.

 

The issue being is likely the same as in the off season, Amaro was reported to want a good prospect and not eating much money, which anyone will tell you is too much. There is a reason no team has dealt for either Paps or Hamels. We need bullpen help and within a couple weeks there is likely going to be a bunch available a couple weeks down the road in Oakland, Arizona and so on which will likely cost less.

 

AA has to get something done but he also has to have a line in the sand.

[BigCecil]

Agree man the stro injury really hurts, imagine where this team would be had be been healthy....it would make a big difference.

 

We placed a lot of hope on a kid with 20 or so MLB starts but I think he probably would have added 2-3 wins by now putting us closer to NYY.

 

And he showed the ability to pitch pretty deep into games which would have helped our pen.

[flafson]

Aaron Harang is also pitching well. Id take him.starting over Dickey

 

We need an ace, we don't need another #4-#5 pitcher.

[ScientificReason]

We placed a lot of hope on a kid with 20 or so MLB starts but I think he probably would have added 2-3 wins by now putting us closer to NYY.

 

And he showed the ability to pitch pretty deep into games which would have helped our pen.

 

It would also have made the bullpen better as sanchez most likely would have started in the pen.

[BigCecil]

The issue being is likely the same as in the off season, Amaro was reported to want a good prospect and not eating much money, which anyone will tell you is too much. There is a reason no team has dealt for either Paps or Hamels. We need bullpen help and within a couple weeks there is likely going to be a bunch available a couple weeks down the road in Oakland, Arizona and so on which will likely cost less.

 

AA has to get something done but he also has to have a line in the sand.

 

That's totally fair. I realize if it was easy it would be done.

[Sammy225]

That's totally fair. I realize if it was easy it would be done.

 

Papelf*** is a difficult situation in itself that he is Good reliever but still way overpaid because Amaro blew his load all over him lol.

[ScientificReason]

Papelf*** is a difficult situation in itself that he is Good reliever but still way overpaid because Amaro blew his load all over him lol.

 

That doesn't sound very pleasant, no wonder he wants to be traded.

[RealAccountant]

We need an ace, we don't need another #4-#5 pitcher.

 

Right now Harang is an improvement over Dickey

[Governator]

Right now Harang is an improvement over Dickey

 

A 4.49 xFIP vs a 4.79 xFIP isn't much of an improvement, let alone an NL pitcher coming to the AL East. I'd call it a wash.

[HERPDERP]

We need an ace, we don't need another #4-#5 pitcher.

 

besides, do we really want the ugliest pitcher in baseball?

[ScientificReason]

besides, do we really want the ugliest pitcher in baseball?

 

We had rasmus for a few years and are throwing Collabello out there. We should manage.

[Jimcanuck]

No reason for Amaro not to ask for a lot, still plenty of time before the deadline. The price will come down

 

Also, if the Jays trade for an SP it has to be a front of the rotation type.... otherwise, not much improvement, just more depth

[flafson]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/130100322/5-logical-landing-spots-for-cueto

 

CHICAGO - When Joe Maddon got to Wrigley Field on Thursday, he checked the Reds' lineup. Then he looked down the card to find their bench.

 

That's where he saw the names of Billy Hamilton and Brandon Phillips. If players on the disabled list had been included, the Cubs' manager would have also seen Devin Mesoraco, Marlon Byrd and Zack Cozart.

With Hamilton and Phillips holding the dreaded "day-to-day'' status and the three others sidelined for the foreseeable future, the Reds are without five regulars as they watch the Cardinals disappear in the distance. Not the ideal scenario to turn around a season that was viewed as critical given the impending free agency of ace Johnny Cueto, who is about to become the biggest name on the trade market, if he's not already there.

Even though the Reds came to Chicago having won four in a row, losing Cozart for the season when he tore up his knee on Wednesday may be the development that forces GM Walt Jocketty to seek maximum value for Cueto, who appears beyond the Reds' budget.

"Everybody is important, but [Cosart] has a significant role not just as great defensive player -- and off to a great start offensively -- but he's just one of those fabric-type players,'' manager Bryan Price said at Wrigley Field. "He's a guy that's blue collar, can go unnoticed at times unless you're around him every day like we are, because he's just such a solid guy. … We'll miss him for his performance but for what he provides for us from a character standpoint as well.''

Naturally, given how this season has gone for Cueto, there are questions about his health, too. He skipped a start with inflammation in his elbow in late May, shortly after a crowd of 20 scouts turned out to watch him beat the Giants. He'll be making his third June start against the Cubs on Friday, and the crowd is once again sure to include lots of scouts.

Cueto is a one-of-a-kind commodity as a pitcher, on the one hand a classic fastball-changeup power guy but sprinkled in with equal parts Orlando Hernandez and Catfish Hunter. He led the National League in innings pitched and strikeouts last season and is 4-4 with a 2.64 ERA in his 11 starts this year, which has a chance to be his fifth straight with a sub-3 ERA.

"He's a real pitcher,'' Maddon said. "He's creative. He does the little things with his turns, a little Luis Tiant-ish. But he just knows what he's doing. It's not about pure velocity. He's got a great feel for what he's doing. He's got great command. … Whenever it appears he loses command, I believe it's because, 'I don't want to throw the ball over the plate.' That's what I believe. He's that good.''

Some believe the Reds will hold onto Cueto until after the All-Star Game, as it will be in Cincinnati for the first time since 1988. But with the Mariners grabbing Mark Trumbo last week, we've hit the time of season when an ultra-aggressive team might be able to swing a deal.

Here are the five most likely destinations for Cueto:

1. Blue Jays -- No team has spent more time scouting Cueto this season, and no team has more to gain from adding him. So when Jocketty is ready to move him, the Jays have to be at the top of his list.

With Josh Donaldson emerging as an MVP candidate, the Blue Jays have fully recovered from a 19-26 start to look like a serious threat in the wide-open AL East. They have a deep rotation but lack the true No. 1 they would need in October.

The Jays have young pitching to trade, with a deal possibly built around Aaron Sanchez or Daniel Norris, as they try to end a 22-season drought without a trip to the postseason, the longest in the Major Leagues.

2. Red Sox -- They're better situated to land Cueto than the Jays but GM Ben Cherington has thus far thrown up a "keep off the grass'' sign in regards to his high-end prospects. That could change quickly if the Sox start scoring more runs and demonstrate that they're really an ace away from being a playoff team.

Boston has the prospect inventory to give Cincinnati the best possible return for Cueto -- a multi-player deal including arms and bats. Eduardo Rodriguez and Blake Swihart aren't going anywhere but the Red Sox's intriguing stable of arms includes Henry Owens, Brian Johnson and Matt Barnes.

3. Dodgers -- While Don Mattingly's team ranks third in the NL in starter's ERA, the starters beyond Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke have been average (12-10 with a 4.35 ERA), which has put a constant strain on the bullpen.

You've got to think the Dodgers wound up regretting missing on David Price last July. They're under different management this time around and nobody knows what to expect from Andrew Friedman as a buyer, not a seller. But they have premium prospects who the Reds covet (most notably Julio Urias and Corey Seager) and lots of movable parts, including Cuban slugger Alex Guerrero.

4. Rangers -- They looked like sellers when they went 15-22 out of the gate but that's no longer the case. They are closing fast on the Astros in the winnable AL West, thanks to a lineup that went back to the future in a recent 11-game stretch in which they averaged 8.4 runs.

Having added Yovani Gallardo in an offseason trade and signing Wandy Rodriguez after the Padres released him, along with the emergence of Nick Martinez and Chi Chi Gonzalez, Texas has pitching depth. It doesn't have an ace, however, and can't count on the rehabbing Matt Harrison and Derek Holland to fill that void. The Rangers might have to give up Martinez or Gonzalez to get Cueto, whose salary would be partly paid by insurance that the team took out on Yu Darvish's contract.

5. Padres -- Let's just say A.J. Preller's due.

Despite the big-ticket moves that the Padres made last winter, they've had a losing record since starting 10-5. The lineup isn't producing like it should but it's easier to upgrade the rotation than add multiple parts there. It sounds radical but Preller might bite on Cueto for Andrew Cashner, who is under control through 2016, and a couple lower-level prospects that would be be a better return than a compensation draft pick.