Matt Boyd stud thread

[GD]

All 0 for 100's are equal.

 

I'm Jewish, baseball is the one thing we can do athletically besides shuffleboard

[BTS]

I'm Jewish, baseball is the one thing we can do athletically besides shuffleboard

 

I did a quick search to find out if there were any decent jewish players besides Green and Braun, and I found this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Amaro,_Jr.

 

Congrats.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Dubront is pitching tomorrow. So unacceptable on so many levels. Why do I cheer for this team?

 

He might be ok. They need a starter regardless. I could get behind a rotation of Hamels or Samardzija followed by the usual with Doubront as #5.

[Maahfaace]

So Matt Boyd.

 

id like to seee him get another shot as well, gotta keep that fastball down though

[King]

I did a quick search to find out if there were any decent jewish players besides Green and Braun, and I found this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Amaro,_Jr.

 

Congrats.

 

Theres a Jewish baseball hall of fame plaque at tropicana field.

[GD]

I did a quick search to find out if there were any decent jewish players besides Green and Braun, and I found this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Amaro,_Jr.

 

Congrats.

 

Sandy Koufax was ok??

 

Hank Greenberg, Kevin Youkilis, Ian Kinsler, Danny Valencia da best, Brad Ausmus, Lou Boudreau I know his name, Gabe Kapler, Rod Carew, and believe it or not, Jose Bautista is a little bit Jew I think!!

[King]

Sandy Koufax was ok??

 

Hank Greenberg, Kevin Youkilis, Ian Kinsler, Danny Valencia da best, Brad Ausmus, Lou Boudreau I know his name, Gabe Kapler, Rod Carew, and believe it or not, Jose Bautista is a little bit Jew I think!!

 

Thats the other Jose Bautista

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bautijo01.shtml

[Captain Adama]

I did a quick search to find out if there were any decent jewish players besides Green and Braun, and I found this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Amaro,_Jr.

 

Congrats.

 

Wow, even Phillies fans are so ashamed of him they removed him from Wikipedia.

[gruber92]

Sandy Koufax was ok??

 

Hank Greenberg, Kevin Youkilis, Ian Kinsler, Danny Valencia da best, Brad Ausmus, Lou Boudreau I know his name, Gabe Kapler, Rod Carew, and believe it or not, Jose Bautista is a little bit Jew I think!!

 

Half breeds and quarter breeds don't count.

[GD]

Half breeds and quarter breeds don't count.

 

I took all of them from google except for Bautista and Valencia who Hurl brings up all the time idk

 

Oh speaking of Hurl, Kevin "Scrap and grit" Pillar!!

[Boxcar]

I think the argument is that it's harder to "square up" a 95 mph fastball over an 85 mph fastball. And it that's the case, then you should get less hard contact, meaning less likelihood of base hits.

 

Explain Joe Kelly, Nathan Eovaldi who both rank in the top 10 in FBv. I'll take a crack, though: Aaron Sanchez has LEGENDARY movement.

[BigCecil]

Sandy Koufax was ok??

 

Hank Greenberg, Kevin Youkilis, Ian Kinsler, Danny Valencia da best, Brad Ausmus, Lou Boudreau I know his name, Gabe Kapler, Rod Carew, and believe it or not, Jose Bautista is a little bit Jew I think!!

 

Isn't he the guy from "Welcome Back Cotter" or wrong Jew?

[Boxcar]

Movement is certainly one variable... I guess you don't believe movement either exists or is a factor.

 

Strawman.

[gruber92]

Isn't he the guy from "Welcome Back Cotter" or wrong Jew?

 

"Kotter "

 

Lol..

[Jimcanuck]

Why doesn't Sanchez have any other useful pitches? The curveball was supposed to be plus but he hardly throws it and nobody has trouble making contact.

 

the curveball is plus but he doesn't have enough of a mix of pitches to make it effective

[CHRIS]

You can't pick and choose your sample. Besides, in that 42% sample, what was his K/9?

 

Wouldn't the selected sample be more relevant since it's all in his most recent outings (i.e., that 42% isn't spread out as peaks and valleys through the season, but all comes after his early season struggles)? Seems like it's more relevant that picking a random 42% sample from April 26th to May 29th, for example.

 

For me, it all comes back to poor roster construction. This has got to be the weirdest 'all-in' team ever put together. Beginning the season with Pompey, Sanchez, Norris, Osuana, Castro, Travis, Pillar all being handed roster positions screams rebuilding, except for the large collection of players making huge money and playing in their late prime or twilight of their careers.

[Smokey]

It is not plus though. Nobody swings at it or through it.

 

And the curveball is part of his "mix of pitches" so you're kind of admitting that it and his other secondary pitches aren't good. He doesn't have the skills to succeed as a starter right now.

 

I'm not sure why people are failing to see this. It's kinda like the Goins love fest from last year where people fall in love with a one trick pony and dismiss all the short comings. "But who is to say he can't improve with the bat?".. Now it's "if only Sanchez could improve his secondary pitches, he'll be great"... Well, that's what the minors are for.

 

This isn't the 'try' league, this is the 'get it done' league.

[Abomination]

I'm not sure why people are failing to see this. It's kinda like the Goins love fest from last year where people fall in love with a one trick pony and dismiss all the short comings. "But who is to say he can't improve with the bat?".. Now it's "if only Sanchez could improve his secondary pitches, he'll be great"... Well, that's what the minors are for.

 

This isn't the 'try' league, this is the 'get it done' league.

 

If that's the case, then Sanchez HAS gotten it done. 6 innings per start, and a 3.55 era. That doesn't mean the ERA is sustainable going forward of course.

[Smokey]

If that's the case, then Sanchez HAS gotten it done. 6 innings per start, and a 3.55 era. That doesn't mean the ERA is sustainable going forward of course.

 

That depends on your perspective I guess. He has performed at a slightly below replacement level so far and has already missed a chunk of the season with an injury. He does possess a lot of movement on his sinker that's been hard for hitters to square up, but his over reliance on that pitch is not conducive to future success as a starter. In fact, I think if he keeps throwing that pitch so frequently, he will also experience further health problems down the line.

[Abomination]

That depends on your perspective I guess. He has performed at a slightly below replacement level so far and has already missed a chunk of the season with an injury. He does possess a lot of movement on his sinker that's been hard for hitters to square up, but his over reliance on that pitch is not conducive to future success as a starter. In fact, I think if he keeps throwing that pitch so frequently, he will also experience further health problems down the line.

 

You're really mixing two different things. You're saying that he hasn't really gotten it done, because if you remove luck, etc he's been slightly below average. Regardless of how he's done it (it can be pure luck), the actual results (run prevention) have been above average, which is "getting it done". That doesn't mean we can expect him to continue to do so going forward (advanced stats suggest not, at least until he curbs the walk rate). It also doesn't mean that he's outpitched his peers thus far in a neutral context.

 

As for future health, I don't believe the sinker should cause him any additional issues, nor the curve. It seems health issues tend to come more from the cutter / slider.

[Boxcar]

You're really mixing two different things. You're saying that he hasn't really gotten it done, because if you remove luck, etc he's been slightly below average. Regardless of how he's done it (it can be pure luck), the actual results (run prevention) have been above average, which is "getting it done". That doesn't mean we can expect him to continue to do so going forward (advanced stats suggest not, at least until he curbs the walk rate). It also doesn't mean that he's outpitched his peers thus far in a neutral context.

 

As for future health, I don't believe the sinker should cause him any additional issues, nor the curve. It seems health issues tend to come more from the cutter / slider.

 

I'd say the defense has gotten it done more than Sanchez.

[metafour]

Regardless of how he's done it (it can be pure luck), the actual results (run prevention) have been above average, which is "getting it done".

 

Exactly. Advanced statistics can suggest that in the future his results will be poor. They can not tell you that what he has already done is "poor". They can suggest that he was "lucky", but "lucky" and "poor" are two separate things. Luck is a part of baseball, if you "luck" your way to a win, it is still a win. To suggest that he "hasn't gotten it done" would be glossing over what has actually transpired on the field. Pages back some of you tried to paint his 7 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 5 BB start as "poor". Really? That is a WHIP of 1.00, and if you want to paint his 2 hits as being the result of defense, he was actually incredibly unlucky in the sense that he had a whopping 7 pitches thrown inside the strike-zone that were called as balls, versus only 1 pitch out of the zone that was called a strike. So how many of those 5 walks were the result of the ump swinging a two-point play by calling a clear strike as a ball?

[glory]

Sanchez can get away with a lower K rate. He enduces so many grounders that a K/9 of 5 or 6 won't kill him. It's the walk rate that is the killer, and there is nothing to suggest he has improved on that during his career, except for his last couple of starts before getting hurt.

 

I think AA did him a disservice by promoting him in 2014. They should have taken their time with him and see if refining his secondary stuff or adding another pitch could have helped him.

[Abomination]

I'd say the defense has gotten it done more than Sanchez.

 

Not necessarily. It's possible most of the balls are hit right at defenders. I mean that's part of luck too.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not railing against the advanced stats at all. I was mainly just pointing out that if we're talking about a player getting it done, we can't remove things like luck or we really change the argument. Removing that is needed for (most) other kinds of discussions though.

[Boxcar]

Not necessarily. It's possible most of the balls are hit right at defenders. I mean that's part of luck too.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not railing against the advanced stats at all. I was mainly just pointing out that if we're talking about a player getting it done, we can't remove things like luck or we really change the argument. Removing that is needed for (most) other kinds of discussions though.

 

I understand the viewpoint that many starts have been team victories and therefore he has not hurt the team or whatever. I don't agree with it because what Sanchez has done, more often than not leads to blow outs. People react far too drastically to good/bad luck and then people like metafour don't understand that DIPS are not predictive stats.

[DuckDuckGose]

It is not plus though. Nobody swings at it or through it.

 

And the curveball is part of his "mix of pitches" so you're kind of admitting that it and his other secondary pitches aren't good. He doesn't have the skills to succeed as a starter right now.

 

It could still be a plus pitch. In the case of Sanchez he just gets behind in the count way too much and hitters can lay off it knowing that a FB is coming on the very next pitch. For any pitcher to have effective secondaries they need to get ahead in the count and Sanchez can't do that consistently.

[Daniel Labude]

This argument is really just semantics but it's somewhat important since it drives discussion about how good the player is going forward.

 

The good fortune that the Blue Jays have enjoyed while Aaron Sanchez has been on the mound doesn't belong to him. It happened, but he does not collect the value derived from it directly because it was created by forces that are out of his control. A pitcher's job is to get strikeouts and ground balls and limit walks (as well as other stuff like field his position, monitor the running game). Those are skills that can realistically be tied to the pitcher on the mound throwing the pitches. Run prevention is made up of many factors, only a handful of which are in the pitcher's control. ERA is an artificial construct that is applied to pitchers because of tradition, not logic; it is a flawed team stat.

 

Aaron Sanchez's performance is his peripherals. That is the production that he has contributed to the Blue Jays efforts. That 3.55 ERA is a function of Sanchez's pitching + the hitting of the opposition + the catcher + the umpire + the ballpark + the atmospheric conditions + other stuff. In this case, the latter effects have succeeding in overcoming the quality of Sanchez's pitching to produce an acceptable ERA.

 

These theories are flawed

[Dick_Pole]

It's incredible the amount of debate Sanchez produces even when he hasn't pitched in weeks, in a thread dedicated to someone else no less. I guess the whole debate is around how Sanchez can be given so much rope while Boyd was immediately kicked to the curb. Like it or not, intangibles that go beyond just pure stats are part of the game. Boyd necessitated a move to bring up pitching depth because of his 0 IP performance. So he had to go to bring someone else in. Had Sanchez walked the first 10 guys in a start and created a 9 inning workload for the bullpen, I'm sure he'd have been shipped out too in order to make room for a guy who can give the BP a rest while it recovers.

 

People can say what they want about Sanchez, whether its luck or performance, in all starts except his first one he has pitched into the 6th inning or longer. His shortcomings haven't been so glaring that he nor the team haven't overcome them thus far. He should get some credit for keeping himself composed enough that he can generally out of the jams he puts himself into.

[Jimcanuck]

like i've said before.... sanchez should have been at Buffalo to start the year. circumstances made him part of the rotation. he's had some good starts, some poor ones, but not once has he 's*** the bed'. he's also young, and pitching and having some success in MLB no doubt has done a lot for his development and confidence. he's right where he should be, unless a trade brings in a SP upgrade, then he likely moves to the bullpen to limit IP

[BTS]

These theories are flawed

 

lol your dumn